Stupid shit in Medellin

[Fun Luvr]

In the Second World War the USA was too cowardly to enter until it was half way over ...

Just one simple question JustTK, how do you determine when a war is half way over while it is in progress?

[Ptrbrgr]

I saw a few days ago reports of a study published in Bloomberg, Fortune, BBC, Guardian (look them up on search "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" that verify that the vaxd are just as transmissable WRT the virus as the unvaxd. So the vaxd and the unvaxd are equally as likely to pass the virus on to any vulnerable / imuno-compromised person.

So now it is really indisputable that the unvaxd are only an increased danger to themselves. So there is no more excuse for the persecution of the unvaxd to continue.

Hi JustTK,

Apologies for not responding to you earlier, I have been very busy at work. I am also an ultra runner, so there are always days where I just run, eat, and sleep, and don't do anything else.

I did not know that your objection to the vaccine was primarily because of ethical reasons. I fully agree that lots of unsavory things happen at pharma, but it stands to reason how much blame can be put on them in this instance, since testing was required by law. Here is PETA's take on this:

"The goal of being vegan and advocating for animal rights should always be to bring about positive change for animals. As long as tests on animals are a legal requirement, refusing to take a medicine on ethical grounds will not help animals who have already been used in tests or spare any the same fate in the future. ".

https://www.peta.org.uk/blog/vegans-covid-19-vaccine/

So while there are differing opinions, I think no reasonable person would / should give you too much grief if you cite plausible ethical concerns for not getting vaccinated. Taking this into account, I would still argue you should get vaccinated in part because prolonging the pandemic invariably will result in more animal experiments being carried out, which is completely counter to what you want to achieve. Perfect can be the enemy of good.

That said, in many of your posts it seems you are grasping for straws, trying to come up with additional explanations why people shouldn't get vaccinated (and I suspect this is because you want this to be true). Unfortunately, this is where the wheels are coming off in your reasoning, as several people have pointed out. Your post on "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is another example in my opinion, as it seems to escape you what conditional probabilities are. What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon? What is the chance a person from Utah you see is a Mormon, given he is lying drunk in the gutter? Totally different. The same thing in the paper you cite, which reports on transmissions in a household *given the vaccinated person had a breakthrough infection. It is not very surprising if you spend an extended period of time with an infectious person that you don't see a big difference in rates of transmissions comparing breakthrough and natural infections (even though by all accounts people with natural infections are infectious for a longer time). If you had read the manuscript, you probably would have noticed this sentence in the abstract:

"Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts."

Reducing this to "vaccinated just as likely to spread virus as unvaccinated" is absurd. I am going back to my first response to you: it is not helpful to "amplify stuff you read somewhere without understanding the meaning of it. Be better. And dare to think for yourself. " I fully respect your ethical concerns, but I don't think you are doing yourself a favor peddling some nonsensical soundbites.

[Elvis 2008]

You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.

In reality, it is because Peru had a different strain of the virus. Their living conditions (remarkably stable climate, sea level altitude, and crowded living conditions in Lima) made it ideal for the virus to spread. See the link: https://www.contagionlive.com/view/t...strain-in-peru.

If you are going to make a side by side comparison, you have to know which variants there are, how cases are reported, how the diagnosis is made, and how one determines if Covid was the cause of death or just along for the ride, and no one cared if that data was accurate. In Italy, of all the death attributed to Covid, only about 3% did not have comorbid risk factors. I have seen dozens of people with low oxygen and in respiratory distress, some in their 20's. On the other, I have seen exactly one person declared dead with Covid, a 93 year old with leukemia, a dubious claim to be sure.

On top of that, you have to account for other decisions. Sweden's early high death rate was much like New York's in that the vulnerable elderly were not isolated from those contaminated with Covid. That decision about the elderly is not factored into with Sweden by the media. No, the death rate was higher because they did not lock down.

[KyoHiromitsu]

Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.

No government tells the truth about Covid. Statistics are meaningless. For example: Japan has like 225 cases today and No lockdown. DO you actually believe it? Statistics can be manipulated in a thousand ways.

[MarquisdeSade1]

The type of rationale during this thing has been inconceivable to me. If you are vaxed then it is okay for you to come in and spead the disease around. If you are unvaxed, don't you dare come in here and spread the disease that you don't have around. So it is better for a vaxed person that is infected to come in than an unvaxed person that is not infected? If you are vaxed with the disease then we are happy to continue being your employer. If you are unvaxed without the disease then turn in your ID. What logically should matter is if the person is infected, regardless of their vaccination status.

The world has gone crazy. Nobody ever came and made sure I was wearing a condom so I would not get AIDS, never came to make sure I was wrapped up so I did not catch pneumonia, never came to make sure my seat belt was on so I did not die in an accident, never made sure my shoes were tied so I did not trip and fall. But now everyone is dead set on making sure I am vaxed so I don't get Covid to the point that I can not work or enter certain establishments without being so. This type of thinking must be well beyond my paygrade or from another world.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/08/reality-dysphoria/

[PedroMorales]

Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.

Too stupid. He thinks these 50 (non Brit) European companies are American. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURO_STOXX_50.

Even European heroes are better.

[PedroMorales]

WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.

You have watched too many Audie Murphy movies. Have you seen Colditz where US prisoners escape? In reality, none escaped. And Americans did no serious fighting in Europe. Bar the Ardennes where they were surrender monkeys and shot prisoners out of hand.

90% of German casualties were on the Eastern Front. The Yanks came in late, robbing and raping all round them. They even make movies boasting about their thieves.

Now off you go and polish up your brasses on the USS Harvey Milk.

This Brit invented the Internet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee Americans do not invent. They just rob (from German physicists after WW2) and rape. Away and eat your Big Mac and Coke.

[Elvis 2008]

Yikes, it's easy to see that you're the retard given that your only argument is "mirror, mirror on the wall". You're simply too stupid to understand simple facts & stats, not to mention your inability to draw any reasonable conclusions.

You probably should work on your reading comprehension because you haven't understood a god damn thing.

Oh, he gets it, Shoobree. While Viliany is not trying to get laid solving calculus problems (one of these days it will work for sure), you have to understand that he and all the rest of these Democratic douches are not trying to be logical but working on their douche scores. The only way these guys can be so irrational is that they are getting paid for it and with these douches, the feeling not the reality but the feeling is that if they are good douches with high scores the government gravy train will not stop for them.

So how do you be a good douche? You just point and hate.

Trump: evil. Trump voters: more evil. And then you go down the list: Putin, Joe Rogin, Aaron Rogers, Dennis Prager, Sweden, those not vaccinated, and lately parents AKA domestic terrorists in Virginia (that one did not work out so well).

The douches are in foul mood because of Virginia, and they know what is coming.

You are a bad douche if you criticize Fauci because he is on your team. He did not fund development of the virus because he says so, and you cannot criticize China for making and screwing up and releasing the virus. No, that is racist, but Sweden is mostly white so they are fair douche game.

You will never beat a douche. They will never admit they are wrong. What they will do is go silent. They will debate censoring Trump on Twitter but when you tell them that their stupid censoring led to Trump starting his own media company which put $4 billion in his pocket they will be silent. That is really a foreshadow of things to come.

They demonize those who do not get vaccinated as selfish because they are spreading Covid (even though getting the vax does not prevent transmission), but when one of their own is symptomatic and spreads the virus over 2 continents, it is crickets. You cannot criticize your fellow douche. It hurts your score.

The douches wanted to destroy the world economy so Trump would not get re-elected. Mission accomplished, but they thought they could just turn it back on, and it does not work that way. I think the funniest issue is on oil. Do you get what a great unifier Joe Biden is? The prices on oil and gas have skyrocketed, and there is a ton, I mean a ton, of spare capacity in the system. You have a very diverse set of producers in OPEC, in Russia, and the American oil companies. Inevitably, one country or group would increase capacity to get at the spare cash and drive the price down. Because of Joe Biden, no one is cheating, and prices are up and staying there. The American rig count is half of what it was when oil was this high before.

So Sweden's greatest sin was not participating in the destruction of the world economy to get rid of Trump. Everyone else was willing to do it. The reason that Sweden did not is this was not up to the pols. It was the only country that had a health care professional in charge, and he had the audacity to look at lockdowns and say they have not been proven to work with Covid. Do no harm again.

And my hat is off to the Colombian people who also did not allow their government to destroy their economy by fighting lockdowns.

The douches are going to have to pull out all the stops in 2022 and 2024 and it is not going to work. For people who so hate Trump, no one can match him financially now. His being president in 2024 now is virtually his choice. And this time, Trump will have his personnel (and not Bush's personnel) to drain the swamp, and all these douches will be deprived of their precious swamp water and only then will these douches perish. It is not going to be reason or logic that does them in but their own stupid douche plans for domination.

[JustTK]

You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.
You also have to explain how the number of deaths per capita can be less or roughly the same in Sweden as it is in other Western European countries such as France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal and Switzerland.

Aks them to explain the stats in South Korea. No lockdown. Lockdowns were clearly not necessary. They were a tool that was used with highly variable results. Results that indicate that there were more important factors at play.

[JustTK]

because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars..

In the Second World War the USA was too cowardly to enter until it was half way over and until the Europeans (mostly Russians and Brits, but also plenty of rebels from defeated countries) had blunted Hitler. The prospect of genocide against the Jews was not enough of a provocation to enter the war for the USA. Oh no, no. They had to wait for a selfish reason to enter. The Japanese sank a few of the ships in Pearl Harbour. Ah diddums.

How cowardly to claim victory when you only turn up after the fighting is done. It reminds me of the Galdiator movie when Commodus turns up in Germania to claim the glory just as Maximus has finished the barbarians off. You guys and your warped versions of history make me laugh.

[JustTK]

Once again, being disrespectful by accusing all US citizens of a trait exhibited by one (with provocation). If you're going to constantly paste your hypocrisy across the board, you should expect it's going to be noticed.

I wrote "many USAns", not "all", you fkn moron.

[ShooBree]

WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.

Haha, oh god you really are stuck in the past!

Its embarrassing to see the moronic shit you write, Europeans are working for European companies. The high paying jobs are with European companies. I don't know anyone who works for an American company. It always amuses me to visit Japan and hear what they think of the Americans they have had the displeasure of dealing with.

And lets face it, there are not many USAns working in Silicon Valley. You Americans are too stupid and uneducated to do the work properly so the companies have to hire Asians and Europeans.

And how about the American car industry, its shit. Its the worst shit I've ever seen, and I've seen French cars. Don't even get me started on Air Boeing. USA is dependend on tariffs because no one outside the US wants to buy their shit. Why? Because you are incompetent, you should have realized that a long time ago but you didn't as you USAns suffers from the Dunning Kruger-effect.

USA is about to go belly upp, just look at the debt and trade deficit.

The problem with you isn't only your lack of education, its the combination of how uneducated and arrogant you are.

USAns are a bit like King Midas but whatever you touch turns to shit. If you want to make something into an overprised tourist trap just send in the USAns! Because you have no clue about anything. You tip when no one else will tip and you overpay because you're ignorant&arrogant.

Its 2021, and you are still stuck in the 70's.

[ShooBree]

You make some very good points. I can't imagine anyone who would think Sweden is most like various Middle-Eastern countries because they took on some immigrants. I have to wonder if ShooBree is a second account for Elvis or MarquisdeSade1.

You have already disqualified yourself from any serious discussion by claiming Sweden to be "genetically homogeneous" and acting as if all the Nordic countries are exactly the same.

No matter what childish insults you throw at me the fact remains that, unlike you, I have actually managed to back up my statements with facts and statistics.

You have yet to explain how lockdowns can be so great while at the same time Peru has twice the number of deaths per capita compared to Brazil and Colombia.

You also have to explain how the number of deaths per capita can be less or roughly the same in Sweden as it is in other Western European countries such as France, the UK, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Austria, Luxembourg, Portugal and Switzerland.

[Paulie97]

WoW are you in need of a remedial history lesson. Those higher paying jobs that you are crowing about are largely with American companies. And the only reason you have the right to blow your hot air this direction is because the US pulled your sorry, lazy, ineffectual asses out of two World Wars. But for that you would be clicking your heels and spraying your spit when you talk. OH yes and you have the luxury to share your obnoxious, uneducated opinions with us is because we created the internet to allow it. So you can keep writing your Euro-crap. Maybe ShooBree will agree with you.

Yep we have a bunch of whining, whimpering, ungrateful and envious Euros amongst us, all sources of both nausea and amusement. Not to mention that there's no shortage of broke dumbasses over there, as is seen in this hooker forum day after day. Keep dreaming of Colombia guys. Wink.

[JjBee62]

Where I live, they use 'puta' as a random filler word, even when two women are talking. The same way some English speakers use 'fucken' as filler or punctuation. They use 'mierda' the same way, just in random conversation. Example: 'Ayer puta fui al supermercado. Mierda, mucha gente. Pero puta, buenas gangas. ' Yesterday I went to the fucking supermarket. Shit, there were a lot of people. But fuck did I get some good bargains. Like that.

Okay. Let's make it simple. Where you live, walk up to any woman you don't know and say "eres puta. " A statement, not a question. What type of reaction would you expect? Better yet, try it in front of her husband or father. Is everyone laughing and having a good time?

The girls in Medellin say "hijaputa" all the time. Among friends it's acceptable. Using it with strangers is not a good idea.