Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Uhh no it couldn't kill anyone. Is everyone on this board is retarded boomer?

Can you clarify that for me? Are you saying that COVID-19 does not, in any cases, cause death? You lost me there.

In my mind if someone is willing to fake a vax card, they're probably willing to circumvent travel restrictions when they are infected with Covid. If they're willing to travel when infected with Covid, they increase the risk of infecting others. If they are willing to risk infecting others, there's a chance someone down that infection chain will die from Covid.

Unless, of course, nobody has ever died from Covid.

[JjBee62]

I don't think its that's simple TBH. I think there are still some twists and turns to come. What happens when more of the world realises that they have bought in to a never ending cycle of vaxs? What happens when ppls realise that new variants make the vax almost worthless? What happens when more people realise that COVID isn't actually dangerous at all if your healthy.

What happens?

1. An endless cycle of vaccinations? I suppose it depends on the person. I'm getting a booster dose in 2 weeks. If it goes the way of the first 2 doses, I'll have invested just over 1 hour of my time with zero monetary cost. Figure if it does require 2 more doses each year, add in another 45 minutes of my time per year. Personally, that doesn't seem like a world changing expenditure. I can't imagine anyone who is so busy that an average investment of less than 8 seconds per day is going to completely alter their lifestyle.

2. When new variants make the vax almost worthless? This assumes we live in a world where no scientific advances are ever made. It's quite likely that within a few months altered vaccines will become available effective against new variants. It's also likely vaccines which are effective for longer terms, if we return to point 1 for a moment.

3. When people realize Covid isn't actually dangerous at all if your (sic) healthy? I guess the same thing that happens when people realize they can jump off a 20 story building and fly, or that they are bulletproof. They die from their delusion.

It seems to be a bit of a race of time at the moment, between the pro-vax sheeple view and the pro-science anti-mandate view. To me, it is not clear who will win out, especailly since its so easy to fake a vax card to buy time. Bit like faking an onward ticket when you arrive in a new country.

For someone who claimed to not be anti-vax you sure do spout a lot of anti-vax nonsense. The pro-science view is to get vaccinated.

Faking a vax card is easy. Just like faking a negative Covid test is easy. However, what are the consequences when the fake is caught? We live in the digital age. It's only a matter of time before people start getting caught with their fake cards. I expect some countries will deal harshly with them. We've already seen that Colombia wasn't too happy when they caught 3 US citizens with fake tests. Being banned from a country, or possibly banned from air travel seems a high price to pay just to avoid getting vaccinated.

It's really nothing like faking an onward ticket. With a fake onward ticket you're still in the system as having entered the country and still subject to the country's rules for length of stay. If you want to make a comparison, faking a vax card is like entering a country illegally. Actually, if the country requires vaccination, using a fake vax card is entering the country illegally.

[VasyaPetya]

Except for faking a vax card could sicken and kill a lot of other people, while faking onward travel does not. Just pointing that out for you.

Uhh no it couldn't kill anyone. Is everyone on this board is retarded boomer?

[The Cane]

Faking it for a fake: https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/europ...cli/index.html.

[JustTK]

Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.
Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.
Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.

Haha, that is funny. Even NZ, which thinks they live in a different universe to the rest of us, is going thru a peak.

You know, what I would love most of all. Is for this fantasy to end the pandemic. To find out that COVID can be transmitted by birds. Now that would be hilarious. Could you imagine how soon that would bring a halt to all this BS?

[Paulie97]

So your saying that the Aiffe is becoming that popular, that would be a first.

I didn't say that at all. LOL It's to the point where ISG needs to market a reading comprehension course, to benefit the forum and as an extra source of income.

Over the last 10 yrs that I visited there off and on there has always been a minimum of at leasrt 5 girls

Who knows. At this point you can claim anything you want.

I was the only one there before and after I left, I never seen anybody else there

And how long were you there? Ten minutes? That's hardly enough time to get a read on the comings and goings of the place. Plus this tells you nothing about who may be there but busy in the rooms.

It's not uncommon for them to only have four or five girls working. It can vary a lot from day to day, and it would be far from unheard of for all but one to be busy. Did you ask the woman how many girls were occupied? "Tienes chicas ocupadas?" You are announcing their demise on scant evidence. That was my point.

P.S. I'm surprised a woman was running the place. It's usually a guy, father and son team and one or the other is there.

[MarquisdeSade1]

When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.

Typical American? WTF?

https://www.mic.com/articles/108578/...have-in-common

[Elvis 2008]

From Europe. Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.

While none of this funny, there is irony to be enjoyed. You see there is a ring of countries right now at an all time high number of cases and those are the ones in the Scandinavian region. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.

But there is one exception? Funny what country it might be? Yeah Sweden. Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.

Hmm, I wonder if Sweden did anything different that the rest of the world should emulate.

And what did those douches say about Sweden again?

[ShooBree]

Yeah, so an ad hominem attack would be if I attacked TK and not his sources. Like if I said TK was an ignorant, uneducated, dangerous piece of shit. Now that would be an ad hominem attack. Instead, I am questioning his sources. You fucking idiot.

You're a fucking moron, instead of attacking the message you attacked the messenger. You didn't question the quote as such but the person who said it.

Its a classic ad hominem argument.

[MarquisdeSade1]

It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want.

JJquasimodo loves to say her time, her vagina, her money.

Its quite fair to say medical autonomy and informed consent for new "vaxs" supercede what she claims, on the other hand if you want to join a monger community / forum to share intel and then when the pricing advice doesn't coincide with your sooper thirsty / desperate sexual persona, then you want to throw out that libertarian hyper self serving crap, I say don't let the door hit you in the vagina lips on the way out!

[JustTK]

That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.

The sheeple keep repeating the same propagandised mistruths. It is illuminating that they just trot out the tropes, and never provide any evidence. Bcos such evidence does not exist. They keep repeating that they are less liikely to get infected, when what they mean is that they are less likely to get infected in the short term than a unvaxd and vulnerable person who has no natural immunity. So when you stack the cards in your favour, sure you are going to win. But that is not the real world. In the long term we are all going to get it and therefore we are all just as likely. . Same goes for the lie that the unvaxd are more contagious when they have it, the non-science that masks work (all RCTs ever conducted show no evidence that they work).

Slowly, the smarter people will wake up to what is going on. It might take them a couple more jabs, a few deaths of their vaxd family and friends, but eventually they will question WTF were they thinking? That they have fall enfor another pile of government BS, that they have been duped.

About quotes. What does it matter who said / wrote a quote? What is important are the words, not the morality of the person. Even the words greatest humanitarian leaders did some terrible things. And some of the world's most evll people had brilliant minds. Joseph Goebbels was one of the sharpest oraticians.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. ".

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole. ".

"Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place. ".

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

[Fun Luvr]

The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly.

You made a similar statement before. Where is the data to substantiate that claim?

[The Cane]

Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?

You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And don't get caught using your fake vaccination card. That might result in you getting banned from going to one or more of your favorite mongering destinations around the world.

[Mr Enternational]

When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.

Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?

[ShooBree]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.20062133v1

Main outcome measures Estimated acute care and intensive care hospitalizations, COVID-19 attributable deaths, and infections among healthcare workers from 10 April until 29 June.

Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.

Its funny how the scaremongers turned out to be, what's not funny is that governments across the world actually listened to their BS.