Bogota Reports

[Elvis 2008]

Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.

You let the trolls in with this one. LL, yes it takes money to buy a gift for a woman's kid, but you are negating the kind thought you had in buying the gift and the fact you were trying to make the child and child's mother happy. Money may get them into bed, but quality companionship is what gets them to stay. You are discounting that too about yourself.

To the rest of the guys interested in it, think about what you are shooting for in being a sugar daddy. If you really get down to it, a person could say a father is just there to give his daughter money but with proper direction right? It costs money to put a roof over her head and food on the table.

It is okay to do that because you are investing in your child. But if you are giving a kid money, and the kid takes it and snorts it all, you probably were better off getting a ho.

I usually do not have to explain it to women but when I am acting as sugar daddy, I am saying I will use my paternal skills and giving them my wisdom, guidance, company, and financial support and they in turn provide company, support, and sex, and this agreement is based on trust and hopefully it will evolve into a form of love. And I am sure you have a similar attitude.

Again, I am not even offering this to everyone, and the best women did not even get an offer. They just wanted to be around me and knew I would care for them.

I know the hos are just interested in cash and I am aware that some are going to pretend to be sugar babies to string me along. That is why I was always on the outlook for better or more solid prospects. I stopped when I found one and thought an upgrade over her was not possible.

[RacShack]

All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.

Been looking for a while now would love to live on ocean in Arizona, please send all information on property, thanks.

[Mr Enternational]

How did you get from my statement " a little help now and then" to your asinine statement "you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. " Also read it again, I never said a word about money, I said HELP now and then! You need to work on your reading comprehension. Next time try staying on topic and don't put words in my mouth.

Ok. My bad. Well I guess since you mentiond how hard things are you will be giving them help with English lessons every now and then. You never specified exactly what the help was, but since you mentioned "it's always about the money" right before mentioning the help you would give, one can reasonably infer that the help would be in the form of the money that it is always about and not in the form of mowing their lawn or keeping an eye on their kids.

[Member #4729]

I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.

Miami Boy1 is 100% correct here. Frankly the last few pages of posts on this thread are just bizarre- is this ISG or the beta male dating club? I'm not sure why so many of these ultra suave players who have legions of hot and ready Colombian civilian women are belittling their incredibly virile and ultra-successful selves by spending time on a pay for play forum, but mysteries abound as we enter the New Year. And here I would remind you this is a Pay for Play forum where men with no illusions or delusion, who want real, actionable intel come to share and swap information so that process is easier, more efficient and fully realized. If you want to talk about how you get ladies hot and bothered by giving them gifts of lotion and other delusion fairy tales, I'm sure there is a forum out there somewhere for that. The International Give Ladies Lotion Guide. (IGLLG).

Thank again Miami Boy1 for the real talk here- Gringo Italiano posts are also extremely solid. I turn to these guys for information, not flatulent ramblings, so thanks again.

[Elvis 2008]

There is no template. You have to play it by ear. You can get one chick by telling her how beautiful she looks and you can get another chick by telling her she is not shit and you are not impressed by her. You can get some chicks by being honest and you can lose other chicks by being honest. You have to feel your way along.

I agree. What I was trying to say is that women do not really know what they want. She says she wanted something, got it, and then when she got it and did not like it, she not only rejected it but hated herself for wanting it and slapped the guy in anger.

Then she said, "I am very selective. I only go out with men who treat me the worst." Is that true for some woman? Yep. Why was she doing that?

She was a single mom with an alcoholic dad, dead mother who could give her no support, and she felt like her beauty, fame, and wealth were not earned, so she punished herself with the guys she dated. Most everybody around her is jealous of her and trying to tear her down.

Then she breaks up with the guy who treats her badly and cites Dustin Hoffman's female character as a reason why. Female DH inspired her. She needed affirmation she was an ok person, support, and most importantly, a real friend and in the end, she realizes that is what she needed and got from DH male or female.

The point is if you ask women want they want you are going to hear the same lines: looks, money, maybe fame.

And what male DH did at first and why most guys fail, they give the women what they think they want (even what the woman told him what she wanted) and not what they really need. In the end, he got it right and said, "We were already good friends."

Guys need to focus on the needs of women and a lot of the time, in fact maybe most, they are unaware or not willing to tell you what they are.

[LatinaLover#1]

All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.

I was just drawing a comparison of how some of these women want to view themselves.

[LatinaLover#1]

Of course it is all about the money if you are making that way. You sit there and talk down on someone telling them how poor they are and that you will give them money. That sounds like some uppity superiority stuff to me. Being an alpha male is not telling someone you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. Being an alpha male is teaching them ways not to get into problems and showing them ways of solving problems themselves.

I had a friend in Brazil that went to an interview to get a USA visa. She told the officer how she was going to be staying with this guy and he would take care of everything. She was then asked what if something happens to that person? Visa DENIED! So if something happens to the alpha male that you describe they are right back to square one.

I approach people in a normal conversation. I would never tell someone I am here to pay their bills and fix their problems. Maybe that is why I do not get chicks where it is all about the money. If I am talking about money to a chick then you can believe 100% that she is a hooker.

Total opposite from me. I tell them I am going to give them a baby knowing full well that I can't have kids.

How did you get from my statement " a little help now and then" to your asinine statement "you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. " Also read it again, I never said a word about money, I said HELP now and then! You need to work on your reading comprehension. Next time try staying on topic and don't put words in my mouth.

[Igor54]

Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.

I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.

Your story sounds good, but your logic is a bit weak. I think you should have magic skills to recognize that superior woman in your online chatting. She has to come to your date to stranger. Usually women have filtered or outdated pics and polished profile. You have no idea if she will go for sex. You have no idea what kind of girl she is. And many, many, many if. In addition, you are in a foreign country, which brings many other if. Your language, behavior, attitude, etc. If you like the woman, and what about if the woman like you or not considering that it is the first meeting. That is why your lessons about qualifying are worth not more than a book has written by online Gury for teenagers. Those who dated 25+ women know what I am talking about. Unfortunately it does not work like in porn movies, when a plumber come to fix a sink and a bored housewife 10/10 is jumping in front of him and scrimping fuck me please, fuck me please you are so hot and I can't wait when you push your dick in my mouth.

[Mr Enternational]

It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then.

Of course it is all about the money if you are making that way. You sit there and talk down on someone telling them how poor they are and that you will give them money. That sounds like some uppity superiority stuff to me. Being an alpha male is not telling someone you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. Being an alpha male is teaching them ways not to get into problems and showing them ways of solving problems themselves.

I had a friend in Brazil that went to an interview to get a USA visa. She told the officer how she was going to be staying with this guy and he would take care of everything. She was then asked what if something happens to that person? Visa DENIED! So if something happens to the alpha male that you describe they are right back to square one.

I approach people in a normal conversation. I would never tell someone I am here to pay their bills and fix their problems. Maybe that is why I do not get chicks where it is all about the money. If I am talking about money to a chick then you can believe 100% that she is a hooker.

I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want.

Total opposite from me. I tell them I am going to give them a baby knowing full well that I can't have kids.

[Turgid]

The guys I've seen over the years that scored a lot of women were much better listeners than talkers. Listening was the key, and yes looks seemed to be less important.

This definitely does not apply to non-pro American women. You've got to keep talking. Tell them about your fictitious investments abroad. Your fictitious porche that's in the shop. Your fictitious enormous bank accounts. Keep talking continuously. You stop talking you just might not get that pussy.

[NeilGeorge]

I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.

All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.

[LatinaLover#1]

The guys I've seen over the years that scored a lot of women were much better listeners than talkers. Listening was the key, and yes looks seemed to be less important.

The initial conversation in sales is called qualifying. In this hobby it should be used more to get to know the woman. Does she have kids, what are their names. Bla bla bla It amazes me how they begin to open up, and if you show genuine interest and empathy for their plight in life. You get on a whole different level and you will never have better sex. Of course this type of mongering is not for everyone. I had a wing man who could care less, didn't want to know names, no chit chat. He wanted to fuck as many as he could and as he would say, "I pay them to leave!" I was in that state of mind early in my mongering days, Finding a garota on hooker beach in the afternoon, then going to a terma for round 2 catch a nap and finally scoping out TA and Help for the night cap. LOL was a lot of fun but my focus nowadays is for one quality session with a special woman. You got to do what you got to do. What ever floats your boat.

[LatinaLover#1]

How long does it take for you to get a girl? Your timescale. In my experience, a normal woman does not spread her legs on the first date just because she want to make an impression that she is not a working girl. If someone travel somewhere to have a sex, they don't have time to play love games, the only option is to buy sex. If someone good to pick up girls they don't need to travel anywhere, there are many quality girls in your city, if they are getting wet when they see you, why to bother? Do you have anything to say?

Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.

I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.

[Mr Enternational]

The hottie tells Dustin as woman "I just wish a guy would be honest with me and just say he finds me terribly interesting. " A few scenes later, he comes back dressed like a male, tells the woman, "I found you very interesting", and she throws a drink in his face.

I think that is exactly what a woman would do if that happened in real life. What does that tell you about what women really want?

There is no template. You have to play it by ear. You can get one chick by telling her how beautiful she looks and you can get another chick by telling her she is not shit and you are not impressed by her. You can get some chicks by being honest and you can lose other chicks by being honest. You have to feel your way along.

You can also meet every item on each other's list, but if there is no chemistry then it will just be a waste of time. You have to realize you are not going to get most of the women you try for. A good start on foreign chicks is to speak the same language and be familiar with the chick's surroundings. (Or at least be able to act like you are familiar with it to some degree of credibility.).

Last time I was in Brazil I stayed at a chick's house. When I walked in the place was a mess. I gave her the 3rd degree for having that shit so dirty. We fucked and I fell asleep. When I woke up that house was sparkling clean. When I talked to her the other day she said she was cleaning up and that she has not let the house get messy since I got on her case. She said that she was really ashamed. I told her that she needed to be ashamed; you can not live like that. She said that is the truth.

Now take my own kid. I told her that she needed to keep her place clean and she has not spoken to me in 3 years since that day. Some people will love you for one thing and others will hate you for that exact same thing. There is no template. All you can do is be yourself.

[Jazzy Daddy]

All of those things help of course. I'm Not young. Anymore jaja, Self employed so I could travel at will. If I'm somewhere with music I can dance Meringue, Cumbia and Salsa, tried Salsa in Cali but forget it, the Salsa was too fast for me in Cali. Passable Espanole Some Portuguese, it gets better the longer my trip to Brazil gets. I once worked with a guy a great salesman. He was short, fat, pocked marked face but I would be amazed at the hot women he could move out. He would do it over and over. When he finally got married it was to a very hot, younger woman. I asked him how he did it and he said.

" just give me 10 minutes to talk away my face".

You either got game or you don't. Looks get you so far. I've been with beautiful women that after 5 minutes I couldn't get away fast enough. The same for a woman, they have to WANT to be around you, it's no bag of tricks, it's not all about the money, it may be the initial attraction women have to notice you but you have to be able to converse about what ever comes up. Canned raps get old fast. The problem for some guys when traveling is if your an gringo asshole in the states, your still an asshole in Latin America the only difference is your an asshole gringo with money. Open you mouth when you see a woman you like, I once dated a girl who worked in El Dorado, she was asking me the usual questions, did you pack your bag, was your bag with you the entire time bla bla bla. I started flirting and playing around with her, got her number and met up with her the next month when I returned to Bogota. Obtainable women are everywhere in Bogota, waitress, working in th hotel, waiting for a bus, ask for help in Carulla. I once dated a hot woman, 30 ish selling bikinis on the beach in Copa. So there are a million stories in the naked city you just need to get out there and make it happen.

Can you provide some info? Thanks!