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[Bonjovi3]

I very much booked from a web ad. It was gunmalove dot com.

It was definitely not a regular massage shop. It was an officetel and I had to go inside an apartment complex. Not sure which websites are listed here on this forum that explicitly provide the service that you mentioned in your post. Please share the list of sites where it guarantees a good experience and not fleece you for extras after going inside. It was a bad miss for me I guess.

I have been offered entry into multiple Anma. The cost quoted is 300 k. Which is double of what I paid. For a lousy experience.

I will try out an anma next and share the report.

I've never visited gunmalove, and it doesn't appear to be online anymore. Can you clarify one thing about your experience. Did the ad list a bunch of women or just one? The ads that show just one woman typically don't include explicit description. Because of the lack of description, I always assumed that massage was the only guarantee and that extras cost more. There are a lot of these one woman shops that follow the same naming convention, I. E. 'girl's name + 1 woman shop', for example '51088;49828;48124;1인49397; These types of ads live on the Gunma listings, but if you can read the Korean, you will notice that they aren't overtly sexual. Therefore, I've never used their services. They only explicitly state massage, and I tend to be looking for more.

Even some of the ads that show multiple women, don't have any sexual descriptions. I always assumed that these would be waste of time too.

The only Gunma services I've used in the past (the ones where everything is allowed short of vaginal penetration and where everything is done to you while you lay down (as described in my earlier post)) expressly state the services offered on their websites next to the pictures of the women who offer the services. 역47549; means sucking and licking are involved. I think 부48708;48512;48708; is self explanatory. 하48708;50855; is non-penetrative sex. 똥44620;49884; means she'll lick your asshole. 입49912; can either mean BJ or cum in mouth (if it's at no extra charge it's just a BJ but if it costs more, it's CIM). And then there's 청47329;, which doesn't have an English translation. It's a bit hard to describe, but it's a BJ where the women sucks your cock going up and down in the normal way, while moving forward and backward (toward you and away from you) so that while your dick is in her mouth her head moves up near your belly button in one moment and then down between your legs in the next. So it's up down up down while she sucks your dick. It creates a unique sensation.

The Gunma I used in the past is called 설47128;. The women work out of the 선47497; area. I feel comfortable recommending this place because the provider who serviced me told me that I was not her only foreign customer. However, keep in mind that she teased me because my Korean was worse than her other foreign customers. So, if your Korean isn't at least conversational, you almost certainly won't get in, but I'll be happy if you prove me wrong. You can find the ad for this particular Gunma on all the websites mentioned in my previous posts.

[Traveling John #2]

I've never been to YDP RLD before. I've always lived closer to other RLDs and based on information in this forum, not many people have had great things to say about YDP. What was your experience like?

Cheonho was good before it closed.

Miari is still good if you want uncovered service, but the facilities are worn out and youngest women seem to be in their mid 30's.

I haven't been to Suwon RLD in years because its a long commute, but I am curious whether it is still in action. I know this is the Seoul forum, but if anyone can confirm that Suwon is still open, I would appreciate it.

I have seen many RLDs in Korea. My guess and maybe from some readings there are a few smaller ones in towns I have not been.

It has been said for foreigners f. Weekdays are better than weekends. And slow days the girl might be more open to f. But yes more girls on weekends and later in evening.

Suwon is gone. Or at least most of it. Construction started and main area was gone. It was the best foreigner spot. Now the other areas are getting more foreigners so maybe those will start to be more excepting.

YDP- the area between the mall and station road has older less attractive women that are open to FS. Service is good but the ladies might be in there 40's.

The area close to the mall is not F friendly. But 1 or 2 girls have offered service and they were not bad looking in their 20's /30's. Yes, the girl on the main road is attractive but she does not want to be fucked. She will do many things to keep from being deeply fucked. She is not horrible and because most of the others will not even let you inside. It is not the worse.

Dongducheon is getting older and bigger girls. But still F friendly.

Pyeongteak is just not worth it most days, but there are private rooms outside the glass windows with much older ladies 40/50's.

Wonju. Not a lot of girls and not open to F but one girl said yes for 200,000. I did not do it.

Paju. Have not visited in a long time and when I did not 1 place would let me enter. Day or night.

Mari was same experiences you have had. Which is also same has in Busan. Older lady lets you in and you pick. It is a pain too look in and say no. Girls look worse with clothes off but then it is really too late.

[Bonjovi3]

Nice info!

But the part about the girls getting fired is probably just to make the customer feel confident about visiting there. Also I'm sure there are TONS of drunk korean men going there as getting Hyguetel service makea a lot of there money at night from gjys who have been drinking.

I'm sure some guys visit after drinking, but if they are actually drunk they aren't allowed. These places get enough business that they can afford to bar bad customers. It's partly why so few of them will accept non-Korean customers. They simply don't need the potential hassle of dealing with non-Koreans when there are plenty of Koreans willing to play.

Also, I'm certain that these places fire bad providers. Good service is a really important part of Korean consumer culture. Koreans don't joke around when it comes to customer satisfaction, and it stands to reason that the same rules that apply to every other successful service oriented business would apply to these businesses as well. These businesses rely on positive user reviews to generate new customers and they also rely on good experiences to create repeat customers. As a result the popular places are extremely professional. They have clean rooms, clean bedding, fresh towels, and attractive and willing providers.

No doubt there are unscrupulous managers, bad businesses, and women who have bad attitudes, but considering how accepted this activity is in Korean culture (illegal, but totally normal), typical business practices apply. In other words, in the regular world, there are also bad managers, businesses, and workers. Likewise, they will go out of business if they offer an unacceptable standard of service or maintain a workforce that doesn't perform. Just like workers in any industry, the women that work at Hyugetels are not irreplaceable. There's simply too much competition to maintain a shitty business.

[Bonjovi3]

Nice info!

But the part about the girls getting fired is probably just to make the customer feel confident about visiting there. Also I'm sure there are TONS of drunk korean men going there as getting Hyguetel service makea a lot of there money at night from gjys who have been drinking.

I'm sure some guys visit after drinking, but if they are actually drunk they aren't allowed in. These places get enough business that they can afford to bar bad customers.

Also, I'm certain that these places fire bad providers. Good service is a really important part of Korean consumer culture. Koreans don't joke around when it comes to customer satisfaction, and it stands to reason that the same rules that apply to every other successful service oriented business would apply here as well. These businesses rely on positive user reviews to generate new customers and they also rely on good experiences to create repeat customers. The most popular places are extremely professional.

No doubt there are unscrupulous managers, bad businesses, and women who would rather not be working, but considering how accepted this activity is in Korean culture (illegal, but totally normal), I'm certain that typical business practices apply. Like workers in any industry, the women are not irreplaceable. And believe me when I say that most customers in Korea expect the same quality of service at a Hyugetel that they would receive from a department store.

[Buddy1978]

I'm sorry that you had a bad Gunma experience.

Can I ask whether you made an appointment using one of the websites listed in this forum when you had your encounter? Reading for clues in your report, I would guess that you had walk-in service at a regular massage shop, because from what I know there is no way to 'make a deal' at a real Gunma. The prices listed, 110,000 won for 60 minutes, are firm, and customers don't negotiate with the provider. The money is for 60 minutes total time, meaning there isn't a 60 minute massage plus extra time for HJ / BJ. It's more like 5 minute small talk, 5 minute shower, and 15-20 minute back massage, followed by service as described in the previous post until completion. Then quickly shower up and leave.

I've had my fair share of bad experiences in Korea as well, but every time I've booked through one of the web advertisements, I've had nothing but a good time. What they offer is pretty standard..

I very much booked from a web ad. It was gunmalove dot com.

It was definitely not a regular massage shop. It was an officetel and I had to go inside an apartment complex. Not sure which websites are listed here on this forum that explicitly provide the service that you mentioned in your post. Please share the list of sites where it guarantees a good experience and not fleece you for extras after going inside. It was a bad miss for me I guess.

I have been offered entry into multiple Anma. The cost quoted is 300 k. Which is double of what I paid. For a lousy experience.

I will try out an anma next and share the report.

[LovinAsia]

Luckily we didn't go to that type. It felt a little awkward for all of us getting a BJ in the same room, but I'm not going to pass up getting blown from a hot girl LOL.

Yeah it would awkward for sure the first time but most Korean friends who are close with each other think its pretty normal. They even wash naked at saunas together so they couldnt care less.
I pity the girls, or maybe they don't even care, that have to start having to blow sweaty business men who have been working all day without wiping down. Girls literally pour beer on their cocks to sterilize LOL. Makes covid sterilization look like a joke.

[Venturism]

Some rooms you fuck the girls with your friends in the room itself. Just imagine a noraebang orgy but you stick with the girl that you partner up with.

Time is 2 hours and 2nd hour is when they strip down LOL.

Luckily we didn't go to that type. It felt a little awkward for all of us getting a BJ in the same room, but I'm not going to pass up getting blown from a hot girl LOL.

[Venturism]

Thanks for the info! Doesn't sound like the most fun from how you describe it but it'll probably be worth a try at least once. 240 is a lot less than I was expecting. One thing I'm confused about is the food and drinks. You tip the guy 10 but don't they also charge you extra every time they bring it in or is the 240 all inclusive of food drinks and girls' service?

It's 240 upfront for the room and girl with all the food and drinks included. Then every 10 minutes after, someone comes in with more food and drinks and you got to tip them 10. They'll come in another 4-5 times, so you're tipping them 10 every time they come. Then when you go to the room, you got to tip the guy that leads you to the room. So if you go with friends, you can split the cost of the tips.

[Bonjovi3]

You haven't been to the YDP RLD?

I've never been to YDP RLD before. I've always lived closer to other RLDs and based on information in this forum, not many people have had great things to say about YDP. What was your experience like?

Cheonho was good before it closed.

Miari is still good if you want uncovered service, but the facilities are worn out and youngest women seem to be in their mid 30's.

I haven't been to Suwon RLD in years because its a long commute, but I am curious whether it is still in action. I know this is the Seoul forum, but if anyone can confirm that Suwon is still open, I would appreciate it.

[Bonjovi3]

I tried a Gunma in Songpa gu. PM me for the details.

Not a good experience. The deal was struck at 90 k won. I went to the place and was ushered in. The massage was totally namesake. The provider was a decent girl but way too inexperienced and she told me so. Early 20's if I were to hazard a guess. After the namesake massage, it was all extras, 30 k for top access, 30 k for he and so on. The girl was totally new to this and not at all service oriented. Kept pushing back and saying no to everything.

The description provided by BonJovi3 in his Gunma section is totally not correct. It's a very basic fully clothed massage with a little bit of teasing involved. Nothing more.

Including the extras I spent 150 k, however I think a well known Anma like Gain, Castle, Gold etc would be a much better bet for the price they charge as well as much better value for money.

I will experiment those and provide a report.

Gunma's are not worth the price at all. Neither a good massage nor a good he.

I'm sorry that you had a bad Gunma experience.

Can I ask whether you made an appointment using one of the websites listed in this forum when you had your encounter? Reading for clues in your report, I would guess that you had walk-in service at a regular massage shop, because from what I know there is no way to 'make a deal' at a real Gunma. The prices listed, 110,000 won for 60 minutes, are firm, and customers don't negotiate with the provider. The money is for 60 minutes total time, meaning there isn't a 60 minute massage plus extra time for HJ / BJ. It's more like 5 minute small talk, 5 minute shower, and 15-20 minute back massage, followed by service as described in the previous post until completion. Then quickly shower up and leave.

I've had my fair share of bad experiences in Korea as well, but every time I've booked through one of the web advertisements, I've had nothing but a good time. What they offer is pretty standard.

If, however, you walk in to a massage shop that does not explicitly offer extras, the providers will offer what you paid for first (a 60 minute massage), and then ask for extra money for any extra services provided, and as you stated they will be fairly expensive because you will need to pay for a higher tier of service as well as the extra time it takes to get there. Also, if you ask for service mid-massage, they will ask for even more because they know you're horny already and more likely to agree to any price. If you use walk-in massage services, don't be afraid to ask the owner / manager whether extras are allowed the moment you walk in. They won't be surprised that you would ask. I've been known to be even more blunt and ask whether sex is allowed. After being told no, and turning to walk away, a some places called out to me that sex wasn't allowed, but handjobs were part of the deal. In a lot of massage shops, this is the norm. However, it's important to clarify what you want and how much it costs, before you pay.

Also, as an extra note, if you look through the Gunma advertisements, look at the backgrounds of the photos. If all the advertised women take their individual photos in the same room with a narrow massage table, it means they work from a real massage shop. If, however, the pictures are taken in a bed or on a sofa, the providers will work out of an officetel somewhere. I prefer the latter, as they offer more comfort, more intimacy, and more privacy.

I hope you next experience goes well.

Also, I didn't know that the Anmas offered service that cheaply. I was also under the impression that most Anmas did not accept non-Asian customers. Being white and being relatively cheap, I have never even tried to enter an Anma before.

[LovinAsia]

Regarding the unspoken rules, I would say to let the women take charge. This is particularly important on your first encounter. She may be anxious if she hasn't been with many foreigners. Or, she may may be a true pro. In either case, you'll be better off following her lead in the beginning. An anxious provider will become comfortable over time, and a true pro will do a great job no matter what. She might even do things you didn't know you liked.

One thing to remember about East Asia, is that this sort of encounter is a service, and thus it tends to follow a particular set of steps. The steps are meant to slowly arouse so that your total time is well spent. You don't want to be so horny that you can't enjoy the experience because you're so focused on the end result. Just go with the flow and let the encounter play out. This is what I meant above when I wrote 'let the woman take charge'.

First, you'll brush your teeth and get showered. The provider will soap you up and and tease you by stroking you a bit during the process. Some providers will even give you some head in the shower. If they don't give you head in the shower, it is because it wasn't listed as one of their free service options.

After the shower you will dry off and be asked to lay on the bed. The provider will then lick you up and down your body and focus on your nipples before gently blowing you. If it is listed in the providers free options on her advertisement, she will also suck your balls, lick your asshole, and deep throat you. By the way, the three activities listed above are in order from most common to rarest.

This whole service is rather slow and meticulous, and it's meant to be slow, so enjoy it. After all. Hyugetel literally means 'rest' hotel. This is also one of the reasons why I prefer Hyugetels to RLDs. There is no rush to finish. The experience tends to be more sensual, more relaxing, and ultimately more pleasing.

Now I'll explain how all this relates to cultural etiquette. When I used the word service above, I would like to clarify that I meant the word in the most transactional sense. You are literally paying a woman to do something to you. As much as you may want to do something to her, you haven't necessarily paid for that, and thus you need to ask and / or be tentative when trying. This includes kissing and pussy licking. Even if they are listed as free options, you want to check first and make sure it's OK in the moment. Don't let your immediate desire interrupt the flow of the service. Let the situation play out. You may want to immediately jump on top of the provider, and being horny who could blame you, but it's better to wait until the right time, which is dictated by the experience.

Then there are activities like nipple tweaking which are not listed on advertisements, but are potentially fair game. In the heat of the moment you might want to pinch a nipple, but it's better to ask first or try tentatively. Some girls are comfortable saying no, others won't want tell you to stop but will instead position their nipples out of your reach. And remember that not every provider is really into things like deep French kissing, having her pussy eaten, or nipple play. They are, however, typically more than happy to do things to you, and they are also happy to do it with you in all sorts of positions.

You may have noticed that what I described is decidedly not porn-like. If you gravitate toward porn-like sex and get aggressive, many providers will not like it. If you have a porn fantasy, you probably won't meet the right kind of provider on your first outing. However, those women exist and some / most women will become more adventurous with repeat customers.

Managers want their women and their customers to be happy. There are even a handful of websites advertising a gentlemen's discount. Providers who state to management that you were a polite and well-mannered customer will help earn you discounts on future visits. This seems to indicate that the women's happiness is a priority. However, those same websites state that women who get more than three complaints for not providing adequate service will be fired. So, customer satisfaction is guaranteed. But, in this context, customer satisfaction is the provision of service in a transactional, contractually obligated way.

In addition to these unstated rules, there are also clearly stated rules on each advertisement. In a nutshell, they state that filming and photography are not allowed, taking off a condom without express permission is not allowed, verbally abusing women is not allowed, being drunk is not allowed, and finally that it is impossible to make a reservation using a public phone (land line) or internet phone (services like Skype).

Happy hunting. Let me know if you have any luck out there.

Nice info!

But the part about the girls getting fired is probably just to make the customer feel confident about visiting there. Also I'm sure there are TONS of drunk korean men going there as getting Hyguetel service makea a lot of there money at night from gjys who have been drinking.

[Bonjovi3]

Good report. Do you plan to get a PM for better communication. I wanted to understand the protocol and some 'unwritten' rules that will help me get access.

Regarding the unspoken rules, I would say to let the women take charge. This is particularly important on your first encounter. She may be anxious if she hasn't been with many foreigners. Or, she may may be a true pro. In either case, you'll be better off following her lead in the beginning. An anxious provider will become comfortable over time, and a true pro will do a great job no matter what. She might even do things you didn't know you liked.

One thing to remember about East Asia, is that this sort of encounter is a service, and thus it tends to follow a particular set of steps. The steps are meant to slowly arouse so that your total time is well spent. You don't want to be so horny that you can't enjoy the experience because you're so focused on the end result. Just go with the flow and let the encounter play out. This is what I meant above when I wrote 'let the woman take charge'.

First, you'll brush your teeth and get showered. The provider will soap you up and and tease you by stroking you a bit during the process. Some providers will even give you some head in the shower. If they don't give you head in the shower, it is because it wasn't listed as one of their free service options.

After the shower you will dry off and be asked to lay on the bed. The provider will then lick you up and down your body and focus on your nipples before gently blowing you. If it is listed in the providers free options on her advertisement, she will also suck your balls, lick your asshole, and deep throat you. By the way, the three activities listed above are in order from most common to rarest.

This whole service is rather slow and meticulous, and it's meant to be slow, so enjoy it. After all. Hyugetel literally means 'rest' hotel. This is also one of the reasons why I prefer Hyugetels to RLDs. There is no rush to finish. The experience tends to be more sensual, more relaxing, and ultimately more pleasing.

Now I'll explain how all this relates to cultural etiquette. When I used the word service above, I would like to clarify that I meant the word in the most transactional sense. You are literally paying a woman to do something to you. As much as you may want to do something to her, you haven't necessarily paid for that, and thus you need to ask and / or be tentative when trying. This includes kissing and pussy licking. Even if they are listed as free options, you want to check first and make sure it's OK in the moment. Don't let your immediate desire interrupt the flow of the service. Let the situation play out. You may want to immediately jump on top of the provider, and being horny who could blame you, but it's better to wait until the right time, which is dictated by the experience.

Then there are activities like nipple tweaking which are not listed on advertisements, but are potentially fair game. In the heat of the moment you might want to pinch a nipple, but it's better to ask first or try tentatively. Some girls are comfortable saying no, others won't want tell you to stop but will instead position their nipples out of your reach. And remember that not every provider is really into things like deep French kissing, having her pussy eaten, or nipple play. They are, however, typically more than happy to do things to you, and they are also happy to do it with you in all sorts of positions.

You may have noticed that what I described is decidedly not porn-like. If you gravitate toward porn-like sex and get aggressive, many providers will not like it. If you have a porn fantasy, you probably won't meet the right kind of provider on your first outing. However, those women exist and some / most women will become more adventurous with repeat customers.

Managers want their women and their customers to be happy. There are even a handful of websites advertising a gentlemen's discount. Providers who state to management that you were a polite and well-mannered customer will help earn you discounts on future visits. This seems to indicate that the women's happiness is a priority. However, those same websites state that women who get more than three complaints for not providing adequate service will be fired. So, customer satisfaction is guaranteed. But, in this context, customer satisfaction is the provision of service in a transactional, contractually obligated way.

In addition to these unstated rules, there are also clearly stated rules on each advertisement. In a nutshell, they state that filming and photography are not allowed, taking off a condom without express permission is not allowed, verbally abusing women is not allowed, being drunk is not allowed, and finally that it is impossible to make a reservation using a public phone (land line) or internet phone (services like Skype).

Happy hunting. Let me know if you have any luck out there.

[Penetrador]

Since there's been a lot of activity on the Seoul forum recently, I decided it would be a good time to add my two cents.

For context, it's important to note that I'm not Korean. I'm white, but I can write and speak Korean well enough. I'm far from fluent, but I can easily communicate over the phone.

Furthermore, I've been in Seoul for a number of years, but like a lot of people on this forum, I took time off from this leisure activity due to concerns of contracting Covid. I was further deterred by the difficulty of gaining entry to establishments at the beginning of the pandemic. Even establishments where I was a known regular became suspicious that I might be a walking Covid carrier.

Anyway, the situation in Seoul has changed somewhat since the time before the pandemic and has changed again since the early days of the pandemic.

Since late 2020, I've returned to my all my regular places and managed to find a few new ones. I've detailed my experiences below.

Cheonho RLD closed for good. The area was torn down to make way for a large apartment complex. Right before the area was demolished, during the final process of evicting the last of the brothels, a fire broke out in the area. Unfortunately, a few women died. The blame for the fire was placed on an old charcoal heater being used in one of the buildings.

MVP VIP Massage in Gangnam used to be a fairly reliable location. The women working there tended to be older, but they were fit and gave a good massage before moving on to full service. Overall, there were more hits than misses, and some girls even offered uncovered service. Recently, however, service at MVP VIP declined. The usual front desk guy, who I presumed was the owner or manager, changed sometime in 2021. When he left the quality of the women dropped. I visited twice in 2021 and both times the women were large, unattractive, unfriendly, and annoyed. I won't be going back. Let me know if you've had better experiences lately. Maybe I was just unlucky..

You haven't been to the YDP RLD?

[Buddy1978]

I tried a Gunma in Songpa gu. PM me for the details.

Not a good experience. The deal was struck at 90 k won. I went to the place and was ushered in. The massage was totally namesake. The provider was a decent girl but way too inexperienced and she told me so. Early 20's if I were to hazard a guess. After the namesake massage, it was all extras, 30 k for top access, 30 k for he and so on. The girl was totally new to this and not at all service oriented. Kept pushing back and saying no to everything.

The description provided by BonJovi3 in his Gunma section is totally not correct. It's a very basic fully clothed massage with a little bit of teasing involved. Nothing more.

Including the extras I spent 150 k, however I think a well known Anma like Gain, Castle, Gold etc would be a much better bet for the price they charge as well as much better value for money.

I will experiment those and provide a report.

Gunma's are not worth the price at all. Neither a good massage nor a good he.

[Bonjovi3]

Thanks for the detailed report on the officetels! I will do my best in trying to get in with one next time with your advice. What is a normal rate for one hour at an office tel?

The prices are clearly listed in the advertisements, so your best bet is to read them. If you can't read them, you won't be able to request what you would like anyway.

However, in the interests of trying to give back to the forum, where I have learned much, I'll explain the basics below.

Time is one factor that dictates price, but so is basic service as well as extras from the options menu. Most establishments also offer small discounts which are also described on the advertisements.

I'll explain by example below. Take, for instance, be course, which is a 50 minute, covered, 1-shot session. Most places list it at 100,000 won, and most offer a 10,000 won discount for customers who make an appointment before 6:00 pm. So if you want service in the early afternoon, you would only pay 90,000 won.

The 60 min courses are generally advertised as including 1-shot and 1-hand. So in addition to extra time, the provider will let you cum once through sex and once through a hand job. Some providers will work really hard to make you cum the second time. These 60 minute courses cost 110,000 - 120,000 won. If you want uncovered and would like to cum-inside your provider, you will need to add 30,000 won to the basic course price.

There are both shorter and longer courses than those mentioned above. Take a look at the advertisements and make some calls.