German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[McAdonis]

When is it an addiction? I would argue it's a combination of money spent relative to wealth and time spent relative to free time available. If you spend 100 k per year but have 20 millions in the bank it's different than if you spend 50 k per year but earn 100 k. If you are retired and live close to a club and go the club a few times per week for 2-3 hours it's different than if you are still working but you spend all your weekends in the clubs or getting to the clubs. Most of these people will argue that they can stop anytime they want, but they are always back after a break of at most a few months.

Agree 100 percent. I would add posting, reading forums, and perusing escort ads also takes up a significant amount of time, and thus should be calculated as part of the "hobby work week". These could be considered hypersexual activities that EA previously alluded to, although not in the physical sense.

Like you said, all this is fine if someone is retired and has all the time in the world. But if one is working full-time, all those hours spent on the hobby negatively impact other aspects of life. Performance at work. Looking haggard and unkempt. Not sleeping. Not cleaning their house. Not being socially connected to anyone. If someone is predisposed to mental health issues, either by heredity or upbringing, then sleep and a social support system is critical to remaining at least somewhat tethered to reality. And if one does not have a firm grip on reality, reports lack credibility.

[Sirioja]

We must be so different when sex without emotions is total waste of interest and money for me when I'm really not into porn fantasy. I even love when some girls are proud thinking I'm in love, maybe why some turned so mad when I stopped when they don't react same with others who stop or don't repeat. I never asked any to meet outside, I avoided with some, I don't need more than in clubs and I only like to pay to dream, not just to empty my balls. When some sleep, some have so much more time for life. From Thursday 6 am to this Sunday after Garmisch-Partenkirchen Kandahar women ski Worldcup, I almost didn't sleep on my NRW 5 clubs tour and only found 2 attractive on fifth. Eli would be one of the prettiest at Globe with her virgin milky skin look but even great social time but low level in bed despite coming from private in Bern kanton. For elegance, face and GFE level like at home, 40 yo Nikol would be a first choice at Globe when I didn't meet so many on her true GFE level. When Rosa Samya was one of my best BJ, never had so good at Globe and she is unique cute for her naturals, but when she didn't recognize me after 1 year of covid, not anymore interesting for me when I advice her to all guys asking me for a good girl, all thanking me and she doesn't understand about me. Not interesting, not kissing, no money. I could add for almost all silicon = no money, except few exceptions but not often interesting girls with mind in plastic. I want virgin looks to dream about women. I let porn to others, I don't need.

I also love when girls tell: You do this with other girls? I don't want you go with other girls, playing jealous. I remember Globe busy superstar Kate who looked all what I did at Globe, even she was busy, telling: You found another girlfriend? Jealous about Larissa on 2016 I was so happy to find again 2 years after World in Hessen. Emotions, chicken skin, hard dark nipples, hard red clit, cyprine, tears and jealousy are so much more interesting than lazy laying on back and emptying balls, or playing grocer, but different levels to play, even with same girl.

[The Cane]

Hardcore mongers I would characterize as maximizers. There are two variations of maximize. First, is having a narrow optic spec. Common one might be someone who chases a Western European, Aryan, Germanic look, for instance someone who could have played the "hot girl" in some 1980's American teen movie. My ideal spec is just as rare as the aforementioned. And if I were to strictly adhere to my spec of slim, thin legs, big naturals, there would only be one WG in FKK land who meets that spec, perhaps two. But I do not like to pay entry and not room, so I have conditioned myself to expand the definition of doable. But even then, I do not think I ever classify 20 percent of the LU as doable.

Me, me, me! I slightly resemble these remarks. LOLOLOL! Mongers hardcore!

[Smoke Light]

Man, you could be good candidate for writing web page instructions for FKK clubs LOL!

Only returning a favor. My contributions are incomparably small to match yours, dear colleague Mr Ho. Thank you for your trust in me LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Where do you guys keep your money?

Short answer: in the main locker. When you come in, you undress and change into a robe, organize your locker. Shoes, jeans, shorts, underwear. Your bag or backpack, condoms, mouth wash, perfume, tooth brush, anything else you consider having with you. Imagine how you want to organize your locker before you go to the club. Then do it. Once your locker is in good shape, store your wallet in an easy to reach manner because you'll need it after each room. I recommend to keep your main cash reserve in a safe of your hotel room. Not all hotels have a safe, in such case bring it with you and store it in your locker, but separate from your wallet. Pre-calculate how much should you have in your wallet. Add price of entry, base price of the number of sessions you will attempt, add 50 euro on top of each basic session, add more if you need extras, like anal. Then multiply everything by two, because IMHO you should never have to stress yourself by thinking you may run out of cash.

Most money stolen reported on ISG fall into the category of hearsay cases, like "I've heard." Because such cases are quite rare. Are money stolen from lockers? Yes, of course. However, it happens when people get drunk and lose control. Some get distracted because a girl asks for some extra, they rush to the locker in the middle of the session, get the money and forget to lock the locker. Sometimes people get distracted in the locker room when they are with friends. Remember to lock your locker before you go to shower or anywhere else, like to a mirror to comb your hair.

Another situation to watch out for when you take off your robe and go to a shower, you may hang your key on a hook and forget your key there, especially if you are in a hurry to be back in the main area of the club. So any time you ars rushed, remember not to lose control of your locker key..

Man, you could be good candidate for writing web page instructions for FKK clubs LOL!

[McAdonis]

Wow, Stormy Daniels still there.

Those top four positions rotate at random for me, each time I refresh the page. Stormy has been trending upward (presumably since last month), but she is actually 552nd most popular this month.

Top star this month is Lana Rhoades, starting on row two.

Most of Pornhub's traffic comes from USA. And just going to assume that this is the age 12-25 demographic. My guess is those rankings are driven by them: https://kafkadesk.org/2020/01/30/pol...ic-to-pornhub/.

Now for more niche terms like "BBW", even a smaller country like Ghana shoots to the top: https://www.mynewsgh.com/pornhub-sta...o-1-porn-site/.

[Sirioja]

There are as well the guys who keep looking for a "relationship" sometimes subconsciously. It's the guys who always go to the same WG, sometimes for years. It takes them a long time to realize that the WG was just playing the role that will maximize how much money she can extract from such a guy. Then they get jealous if they see the WG with another client. FKKs are not for emotional needs.

We must be so different when sex without emotions is total waste of interest and money for me when I'm really not into porn fantasy. I even love when some girls are proud thinking I'm in love, maybe why some turned so mad when I stopped when they don't react same with others who stop or don't repeat. I never asked any to meet outside, I avoided with some, I don't need more than in clubs and I only like to pay to dream, not just to empty my balls. When some sleep, some have so much more time for life. From Thursday 6 am to this Sunday after Garmisch-Partenkirchen Kandahar women ski Worldcup, I almost didn't sleep on my NRW 5 clubs tour and only found 2 attractive on fifth. Eli would be one of the prettiest at Globe with her virgin milky skin look but even great social time but low level in bed despite coming from private in Bern kanton. For elegance, face and GFE level like at home, 40 yo Nikol would be a first choice at Globe when I didn't meet so many on her true GFE level. When Rosa Samya was one of my best BJ, never had so good at Globe and she is unique cute for her naturals, but when she didn't recognize me after 1 year of covid, not anymore interesting for me when I advice her to all guys asking me for a good girl, all thanking me and she doesn't understand about me. Not interesting, not kissing, no money. I could add for almost all silicon = no money, except few exceptions but not often interesting girls with mind in plastic. I want virgin looks to dream about women. I let porn to others, I don't need.

[Sirioja]

I agree. I would add that our tastes do not really drive the market. Your read this forum and other FKK forums, the talk centers around WGs who are young, thin, no tattoos, no silicone, no botox face, DFK, GFE. I would say ISG skews more toward white-centric WGs than the other FKK forums.

Most casual mongers do not care about such things. Majority of the mongering activity in Germany happens in Laufhaus. For the younger guys this represents the cheapest option. For the married guys, this represents the quickie option during their lunch break and when running errands. These casual mongers are not morally or religiously opposed to sex, but I think many casual mongers just consider WGs dirty. Yes, there are LHs that exist that cater to AO, but most LHs are known for offering for giving listless, sanitized sex. At LHs, this is par for the course: clientele finishes in under 10 minutes, does not want DFK, does not want BBBJ, does not chat her ear off, may not even expect her to put her smartphone down during the sexual act!

With regards to optics, ISGers seem to be more demanding. And perhaps our tastes represent the fact that most of us are 40+. Millennials and Gen-Z are into different optics and have different fetishes. For one MILF porn is one of the most searched terms. Newer ones are step-sister or step-mom porn. If we look at what is popular on PornHub this month, not a lot of the stars I would characterize as "fresh"..

When I was often disappointed by level of looks when I started on 2013 compare to my Russian escorts, but I learned to find mostly elegant Romanian beauties for my love in bed sex and for sure, covid breaks made me become more and more demanding about freshness and image, but I work hard to find. On this week end, I only found on my fifth club on my NRW tour, after 0 at Samya, Bab and Magnum. I hate to waste my money for average or just emptying my balls. I like to pay only to dream.

[Turgid]

......With regards to optics, ISGers seem to be more demanding. And perhaps our tastes represent the fact that most of us are 40+. Millennials and Gen-Z are into different optics and have different fetishes. For one MILF porn is one of the most searched terms. Newer ones are step-sister or step-mom porn. If we look at what is popular on PornHub this month, not a lot of the stars I would characterize as "fresh". Three of the top thirty do not even show their face: https://www.pornhub.com/pornstars.

Wow, Stormy Daniels still there.

[Sirioja]

Speaking of. Where do you guys keep your money? I have never been to an FKK (first trip planned in April). Do you keep it on you in your robe? In the locker room? How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc? I have read back about 100 pages in the threads, so apologies if this has been covered before. 99% of all the conversation is about fucking women (which is should be). Any helpful logistics on how to operate in an FKK (outside of the fucking) would be greatly appreciated!

Keep your money in your locker, check well closed. Except at Aphrodisia, Amesia or Cleo, never pay before room, when I heard some girls ask now, but I was never asked. I don't, because grocery is killing desire for me, but if you are not fully self confident, ask girls about services and rate before going to room when some may try to fuck a newbie. You just have to understand You should get from what you are. Look how the girl is looking at you and speaking to You, not always truth but give information about what can happen, even I had few great rooms after a bad start for chatting or even when starting in room. You pay entry when You arrive and your alcohol on bar or when You leave, registered on your key. Don t lose your head nor key and enjoy easy life, even I keep on thinking outside normal women are so much more interesting. I would never advice brothels to anybody and I never did. Kind of fast food sex but not high gastronomy with women. Mostly low level sex, only very few are pretty enough and interesting according to my Western European standard, too picky as say girls.

[Smoke Light]

Speaking of. Where do you guys keep your money? I have never been to an FKK (first trip planned in April). Do you keep it on you in your robe? In the locker room? How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc? I have read back about 100 pages in the threads, so apologies if this has been covered before. 99% of all the conversation is about fucking women (which is should be). Any helpful logistics on how to operate in an FKK (outside of the fucking) would be greatly appreciated!

Where do you guys keep your money?

Short answer: in the main locker. When you come in, you undress and change into a robe, organize your locker. Shoes, jeans, shorts, underwear. Your bag or backpack, condoms, mouth wash, perfume, tooth brush, anything else you consider having with you. Imagine how you want to organize your locker before you go to the club. Then do it. Once your locker is in good shape, store your wallet in an easy to reach manner because you'll need it after each room. I recommend to keep your main cash reserve in a safe of your hotel room. Not all hotels have a safe, in such case bring it with you and store it in your locker, but separate from your wallet. Pre-calculate how much should you have in your wallet. Add price of entry, base price of the number of sessions you will attempt, add 50 euro on top of each basic session, add more if you need extras, like anal. Then multiply everything by two, because IMHO you should never have to stress yourself by thinking you may run out of cash.

Most money stolen reported on ISG fall into the category of hearsay cases, like "I've heard." Because such cases are quite rare. Are money stolen from lockers? Yes, of course. However, it happens when people get drunk and lose control. Some get distracted because a girl asks for some extra, they rush to the locker in the middle of the session, get the money and forget to lock the locker. Sometimes people get distracted in the locker room when they are with friends. Remember to lock your locker before you go to shower or anywhere else, like to a mirror to comb your hair.

Another situation to watch out for when you take off your robe and go to a shower, you may hang your key on a hook and forget your key there, especially if you are in a hurry to be back in the main area of the club. So any time you ars rushed, remember not to lose control of your locker key.

If you want to be super vigilant, most thieves in gym locker rooms in the US operate as a team. One guy can strike a conversation with a potential victim, another goes to open his locker. So if you feel like something is not right when somebody is speaking with you, tell them sorry, I will be right back, and go check your locker. This is extraordinary, has never happened to me. In 2021 I observed a guy reporting to the front desk that all his money was stolen from his locker. I don't want to name the club. But the guy was on drugs, not thinking straight. He was at the club with a bunch his friends, 4 or 5 of them. The mgmt refused to help him. They said: we are not responsible for your personal belongings, as posted everywhere. Had he not been on drugs or drunk, I am sure the mgmt would be more responsive. I don't think it's a good idea to drink too much in a FKK club.

Do you keep the money on you in your robe?

No. Never. This is the worst idea. Very easy to lose. Very easy to forget when you dress and ready to go home. Someone (even a girl) could steal that money from you without you noticing. Max 20 euro if you want to pay for a drink at the bar. Remember to check the robe pockets carefully before you leave the club.

In the locker room?

Yes, as I already described. At the same time, bigger clubs have small locker rooms for your wallet in main areas of the club. Again, very easy to forget your belongings there when you leave. I use small lockers only for my condoms, small travel-size bottle of baby oil in case when I need a hand job, and maybe a travel-size mouthwash, if you want to disinfect after DATY while staying in the room with your lady of choice.

How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc?

As I said, only very small amount of cash in your pocket, otherwise a high chance to lose the money in your pockets.

[Steve 9696]

Speaking of. Where do you guys keep your money? I have never been to an FKK (first trip planned in April). Do you keep it on you in your robe? In the locker room? How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc? I have read back about 100 pages in the threads, so apologies if this has been covered before. 99% of all the conversation is about fucking women (which is should be). Any helpful logistics on how to operate in an FKK (outside of the fucking) would be greatly appreciated!

Here is my writeup on the basics. (I've written a private book on all the countries and venues and my best stories from each. This is just lifted from that.) Best of luck.

So what is this crazy FKK I speak of?

Imagine, if you will, a very large building -- perhaps a warehouse -- that has been lavishly outfitted inside with a men's paradise. Buffet, sauna, jacuzzi, massage, pool, bar, relaxation areas and attractive ladies galore. And oh, yeah, the ladies are naked. Did I mention they all want to fuck you? Use the onsite rooms for your carnal pleasures; then rinse and repeat -- as many times as you have stamina and money for!

The drill is pretty much the same at each FKK and, as you will see, it is designed as the perfect place to start your journey to a better life. You know on TV where the guy gets caught with perfume on his clothes or lipstick on his collar? That is never going to happen here because the Germans have engineered the perfect experience -- with virtually guaranteed no trace evidence left behind. Here's how it goes (I'll use Sharks in Frankfurt, my favorite, to describe it):

When you enter the FKK, you pay your entry fee ($90-100 USD at nice ones) which entitles you to the full use of the facility and its amenities (sauna, buffet, lounges, non-alcoholic drinks). Alcoholic drinks, massages, and girls' services are extra. You are issued a towel, robe, flip flops, and a wristband with a key and they point you to the locker room. Here you get out of your street clothes, take a shower and suit up in a towel or robe and head into the club. Bring your wallet and condoms with you, as you will put these in a separate small locker when you enter. (This is important, because after a session you need to pay the girl and you don't want to have to go back to the locker room to do this.) Prepare to be amazed!

Sharks is huge, with 50 foot ceilings and there are girls everywhere. There is a big central bar where you can get your favorite cocktail or beer and start figuring out who tickles your fancy. If it's your first time here, you will be overwhelmed with selection. Blondes, brunettes, big fake tits, A cups, short, tall, skinny, thick. It's all here -- and they are all pretty in their own way. Just settle in and enjoy the spectacle. Generally you will have a few thoughts in this order:

This is fucking amazing!

Surely this can't be legal!

This must be what heaven is like if god knew what the fuck he was doing!

You will probably be approached by one or more girls who want you to go to the room with you. Almost 100% of the time you should NOT go with these girls. They tend to be the ones needing business or planning to shark you for big money. You are better off seeking out the girl you want if you are a newbie.

The general drill is to make the most of your entry fee and spend as much time at the FKK as humanly possible. Find a girl, negotiate the fee / services (generally 50-100 E / half hour) and head to the room. Do your thing. Now, comes the hardest part -- relax and recharge. You can try to find a quiet corner, but invariably you will be assaulted by various girls wanting you to go. Hold out. Go to the buffet, sauna, get a massage. Recharge. Go again. Rinse and repeat until you can go no more! It is also possible to leave the club and come back the same day -- just make sure to tell them you are returning.

Now bear in mind that FKK can vary widely in the awesomeness of the facility and / or girls. So what I describe primarily relates to the biggest and best in and around Frankfurt. Everywhere else may be a shade (or more!) less awesome in the food or the facilities or the girls; but the idea is generally the same.

[DaWong949]

Speaking of. Where do you guys keep your money? I have never been to an FKK (first trip planned in April). Do you keep it on you in your robe? In the locker room? How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc? I have read back about 100 pages in the threads, so apologies if this has been covered before. 99% of all the conversation is about fucking women (which is should be). Any helpful logistics on how to operate in an FKK (outside of the fucking) would be greatly appreciated!

You have two lockers. The big one is for you to store your clothes, shores etc. The small one is for you keep your money, cell phone etc. I have been to FKK since 2015, never have any issues at any clubs.

[Sirioja]

I have never been stolen in sharks. But I've heard rumors of theft several times. At first I was skeptical, but since I've seen this story from different contributors here, on google maps and on blogs, it's likely that it's happening. Even if you are a regular, don't let your guard down. We have nothing to worry about if we are well-prepared.

My meaning was if You don t lose your head nor key, you should not be stolen if you are able to control with girls. Some leave clubs forgetting their head. I only forgot about my money back from entry at Bruggen when I was welcome by some girls coming to me on desk while paying, but then desk girls ran after me in locker to give me back. I was threatened at Sharks, not by Balkanians, but never heard about thefts when cameras in locker. So many stories in this business. I only trust what I saw.

[YyzTravel]

Some lose brain seeing naked girls. Many times I found keys when I never lost mine in brothels. I never use small money locker, I was never stolen on my not far from 1000 visits. Only Swiss administration stole my life.

Speaking of. Where do you guys keep your money? I have never been to an FKK (first trip planned in April). Do you keep it on you in your robe? In the locker room? How do logistics like paying a bar tab work, etc? I have read back about 100 pages in the threads, so apologies if this has been covered before. 99% of all the conversation is about fucking women (which is should be). Any helpful logistics on how to operate in an FKK (outside of the fucking) would be greatly appreciated!