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02-08-22 08:15 #3275
Posts: 5496Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
For Polio it was pretty easy. The disease can only be spread through fecal material and a person is only infectious for 1-2 weeks. Also polio virus is only found humans. No animals are known to carry it. This is beneficial.
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02-08-22 07:52 #3274
Posts: 5496Originally Posted by Trinimoses [View Original Post]
With Covid the big problem is that it's highly mutable, like the flu. While the vaccines provide some protection against variants. Why would it be 100% effective against a new variant?
Since you brought up Israel, 90% of deaths and serious illness are unvaccinated. Can you give me a quick primer on how a vaccine is supposed to work if a person doesn't take it.
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02-08-22 07:31 #3273
Posts: 5496Originally Posted by Trinimoses [View Original Post]
Here's Smallpox vaccine. It's 95% effective. https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/7022/.
This next link has a bunch of vaccines listed.
Polio -90% effective with 2 doses, 99% effective with 4 doses.
Chickenpox -90% effective.
HIB -93%.
HPV -90%.
Measles 94%.
Meningoccocal- doesn't provide 100%.
Mumps -88%.
Pneumcocca -75% effective or more.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hepb/index.html
The vaccines don't need to be perfect. They only have reduce the number of people who can pass the disease. If the disease can't find someone new to affect.
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02-08-22 06:52 #3272
Posts: 5496Originally Posted by Nordico [View Original Post]
Please explain. The statistics I'm reading say that the US has made 2.73, Pakistan 0.11 and Indonesia 0.27 tests per capita.
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02-08-22 04:57 #3271
Posts: 1643Aye yi yi
Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
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02-08-22 04:09 #3270
Posts: 2966Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
Why do you worry about corrupted data? You cam define your own parameters for your solution.
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02-08-22 04:03 #3269
Posts: 1822Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
Public health care is extremet? No. The USA and its private health care is the extremist system. Its the only one in the entire developed world. That, by definition, makes it extreme.
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02-08-22 03:56 #3268
Posts: 1643More future speculation
I was talking with an industry insider today and she countered my opinion about future state with vaccines mandates by legislation. She believes they will make the Covid vaccine necessary in order to attend public schools. I think they sort of do that now with other vaccines, not sure. So whether by regulation, legislation or some other kind of mandate, she agrees that future state will include some sort of mandatory vaccination program, in the United States. She probably knows as much or more than me about the subject.
Of course, we have to dig ourselves out of this current KlusterFuk first.
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02-08-22 01:41 #3267
Posts: 1643Before the initial data was corrupted the death rate and attack rate were known
Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
The initial death rate was acceptable based on known data before it became corrupted. The vast majority of the deaths from the first wave was 80-90% or people who would have died from all causes within the next two years anyway. The approach we took prolonged the infectious phase we are in now and created unnecessary variants and additional deaths. The unnecessary economic opportunity cost has probably been in the trillions with a T.
Trust me, I have every point covered that you can come up with, but now it's too late to do anything other than, as you said, let the science catch up and let the virus run its course.
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02-08-22 00:48 #3266
Posts: 2966Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
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02-07-22 17:11 #3265
Posts: 1643Your politicizing the problem does nothing to offer a solution of the current state
Originally Posted by JustTK [View Original Post]
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02-07-22 15:28 #3264
Posts: 1822Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
But it should be clear to anyone by now that only a public health care system puts its people before profit. Private pharma puts its investors first. So when they say they "have the best interests of public health in mind", they are lying to us. They have making profit as their main goal. Thats why we must always be skeptical of any claims made by private companies, and that's why health should always be owned by the people.
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02-07-22 15:23 #3263
Posts: 1822Originally Posted by Trinimoses [View Original Post]
Then once the stats started to roll in, they changed the definition of vax. It used to mean prevent transmission. Now it simply means a health booster shot.
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02-07-22 10:59 #3262
Posts: 1643Really, that's how you interpeted what I wrote?
Originally Posted by Nounce [View Original Post]
Oh, because I said doing nothing was the best course. In the beginning that was true. Now we need a vaccine because we fucked it up so much. That's one of the reasons people on both sides of the vaccine argument are correct but neither side has a clue as to why.
BTW, you are correct. Current state is, the science is catching up. I think if you look back you will find that I predicted Covid vaccines will become integrated with the annual influenza shots we all hold so near and dear to our hearts. I also stuck out my neck further and wrote that they will legislate these annual flu slash Covid shots to be mandatory.
Covid and influenza are more alike than they are different and a couple of posters here acknowledged this through the fog which they were peering. Like I said before, if you take the ten best points from ten different posters here you get something that resembles the truth, but not one person here has a grasp on the overall picture. Except me.
Legislating this combination vaccine to be mandatory will be it's own separate mini-cluster fuck due to the usual fringe anti-vaxer paranoid confused groups. They are always there and predictable. They serve somewhat of a purpose on a population health scale as they instill a watchdog vibe into the mix, but individually they are coo coo for Cocoa Puffs.
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02-07-22 09:40 #3261
Posts: 2966Originally Posted by Osteoknot [View Original Post]
Vaccine works for he virus it is designed for but the virus evolves so there is a mismatch. This is the first version. The science will eventually catch up. One day there may be a vaccine acts like a virus but even more infectious. The only way to not get vaccine then is to completely isolate oneself. Think about that. LOL.