Kyiv

[PhotoSlider]

Yes, the (ages old) logic of supply and demand proved to be correct: as other persons in this forum stated last summer, the prices had suddenly gone up because of the flood of Arabs. This brought down the availability of 120 dollar (non-salon) girls, which were supposed to be on relatively good supply based on previous information from both the forum and personal communication with girls before the summer season. This leads to the conclusion that certain changes in the supply and demand rate can and most likely will affect prices in such a way that one has to pay more. Since the news of the changed situation came only weeks before the trip, it was too late to change plans. This is why it's smart to take the whole situation in consideration, when planning a trip.

Yep, prices went up, not down. Too many words, Desin.

By the way, you didn't offer any contradicting examples about "learning about history", in regards that the prices would go up if the demand goes down. I'm willing to read such examples with interest, if you have them.

And I am not your administrative secretary. Go ahead, read back few years, or simply believe what Kozerog said.

I am not here to prove anything. I am posting to the pleasure of those who wants to read. Otherwise, please do ignore.

Finding a girl I really want to meet just for sex is a time consuming process, and even if the supply is good (like in the case of 250-300 dollar girls, where one can just pick whomever he wants) it's a rather slim chance to find a keeper. A girl whom I prefer and with whom sex is always good. I've met three of these. That's like one out of ten.

1 out of 10 was my ratio too. Not bad at all.

Personally, I have yet to make a decision of whether to travel to Kiev if this situation is calmed down in the next month. If all is normalized, then Kiev goes up in terms of appeal. Supply and demand might be on a good spot.

One may fail even when all the meticulous calculations are correct. Kiev is rather stochastic, random. Wide spectrum of potential opportunities. I am simply not dissuaded by the low quality encounters along the way, and am field trained to recognize most of those early enough. But I dismiss them in person, not over their pictures in smartphone. And the longer I was in Kiev, the more true gems I found.

[PhotoSlider]

SOME Ukrainians use that backward economic thinking, such that the fewer customers, the higher the price, to make up for lost business. But they are not all like that. More common is to simply hold the price steady. In which case, crisis doesn't mean lower prices, but it might mean much better selection and eagerness to please.

Solid business analytics by Kozerog as always.

Selection in June of 2014 in Kiev has been amazing. Back then my new acquaintance took a 3 hours commuter train to have the first date with me. There was no agreement on price. She showed up to escort me to Theater.

After the show we simply walked over to my place and OMG was she gorgeous! My local friend called around 11 pm, in the middle of me taking her. He invited to go for a dinner. I responded with "I'm about to finish, will call you back soon" She giggled.

I still remember her expensive lingerie and impeccable curves. 20 years old. When she was leaving, I asked how much, she exclaimed "2000!" and blushed. I already had exactly 2000 UAH in the back pocket of my jeans, and handed it over. She expressed regrets about the request, tried to refuse taking it, I gave her another long DFK, and calmed down, she left with 2000.

We are still in touch. She is the best. 2000 UAH in 2014 was about 170 USD. For 6 hours with educated young beauty.

Yes, selection was great. Out of 6 girls that I had in 36 hours - 3 were gorgeous, and all 6 were "eager to please". I felt very safe in Kiev during that visit.

[Sorbonne]

Optimum time or not, you guys in Kyiv can at least f* like there is no tomorrow. Enjoy!

[Kozerog]

Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?

Why would Putin want a war now? Maybe two weeks ago there was a risk that Putin would look weak if he attacked. Whereas if Russia continues these war games another month, then goes home while leaving all their military gear in place, ready to attack in the future, USA is going to look like a bunch of hysterical fools. Meanwhile, Ukraine's economy is getting hammered again. Meaning a new government next election. War is risky and expensive. Much cheaper and safer for Putin to slowly grind Ukraine into submitting to his will.

I agree with Photoslider that SOME Ukrainians use that backward economic thinking, such that the fewer customers, the higher the price, to make up for lost business. But they are not all like that. More common is to simply hold the price steady. In which case, crisis doesn't mean lower prices, but it might mean much better selection and eagerness to please.

[Nero6]

On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-e...rush-to-leave/

'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'

Nice to hear you still are in Kiev (I hope you have fun). Of course it is up to people self to decide what they will do in this situation (stay or leave). But I hope we can agree on if Russia start to attract Ukraine it will be very difficult to leave Ukraine. I can tell you not many Danish people back and the Danish Minister og Foreign Affairs said to the few Danish people there will stay in Ukraine (Denmark will not come and save you, if Russia attack than you most manage by your self). It is the same as many other government in the world have said to there citizens in Ukraine.

Be safe.

[CallSignRomeo]

Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?

Yes optimum time for travelling to western Ukraine viz Lviv, Ternopil and so on as for the most part if the war starts it will be centred around Eastern Ukraine and Kiev oblast. This is true as lot of embassies have already moved to Lviv and if SHTF people will have time to travel to Polish border as it is only 4-5 hours away. It is very unlikely Russians will target civilians fleeing towards polish border if worse case scenario does happen.

Although it sounds crude my statements are in line with what President Zelensky has been saying all this while- if you cause large scale economic damage without firing a single bullet that's lot of harm done already!

[RacShack]

Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.

Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?

[Desin]

Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?.

Yes, the (ages old) logic of supply and demand proved to be correct: as other persons in this forum stated last summer, the prices had suddenly gone up because of the flood of Arabs. This brought down the availability of 120 dollar (non-salon) girls, which were supposed to be on relatively good supply based on previous information from both the forum and personal communication with girls before the summer season. This leads to the conclusion that certain changes in the supply and demand rate can and most likely will affect prices in such a way that one has to pay more. Since the news of the changed situation came only weeks before the trip, it was too late to change plans. This is why it's smart to take the whole situation in consideration, when planning a trip.

By the way, you didn't offer any contradicting examples about "learning about history", in regards that the prices would go up if the demand goes down. I'm willing to read such examples with interest, if you have them.

Before last summer's trip I actually had contacted girls through Mamba that were willing to come for that 120 dollar price, but the more they sent me their pictures and the more I communicated with them (and I kept this to the minimum) the less I wanted to meet them. I don't care for certain kind of individuals, of which one can usually recognize from their style.

Even as my purpose is not to buy girls attention with money, to use it as a tool to get her interest directed towards me, I've become more and more picky in regards to the character of the girl: I've noted that I don't enjoy sex to the fullest if the personality of the girl is such that I find it even a bit of repulsive. Finding a girl I really want to meet just for sex is a time consuming process, and even if the supply is good (like in the case of 250-300 dollar girls, where one can just pick whomever he wants) it's a rather slim chance to find a keeper. A girl whom I prefer and with whom sex is always good. I've met three of these. That's like one out of ten.

Personally, I have yet to make a decision of whether to travel to Kiev if this situation is calmed down in the next month. If all is normalized, then Kiev goes up in terms of appeal. Supply and demand might be on a good spot.

[Jojosun]

KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.

On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-e...rush-to-leave/

'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'

[Nero6]

KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.

[PhotoSlider]

It's simple logic.

Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?

Everybody has his own preferences. Some work better than others. Some habits are difficult to abandon.

Empirical practice results seem like a good criteria of success.

Best of luck in your future endeavors, and please post your reports. With or without the graphic description of positions. I personally like missionary, because I can go for DFK. Doggie is equally attractive, just the thought of firmly holding in my hands one of those gorgeous behinds leaves me speechless for a moment. But then there are young ballerinas and gymnast ladies, that opened up a totally different universe, that Kama Sutra didn't help me to even imagine.

[Jojosun]

I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).

Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.

Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.

And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.

And today https://www.archyde.com/the-iraqi-fo...-travel-to-it/.

What a Fucking joke from a bunch of crooks and thieves where its citizens only weeks ago were camped on the Belarus border trying to get into Poland after paying thousands of $" to flee Iraq.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzW39ZVqCw

[CallSignRomeo]

No. Fatal mistake.

Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.

Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.

[Desin]

Yep, consumer mentality. I'm not saying pay premium.

It's simple logic: when the girls have a lot of potential clients lining up in Mamba, they can charge more. When there are less. To the point that they would like to have more. Then they can accept lower prices. About premium: like I said, I've already paid enough 250-300 dollar / hours and found out that it's simply not worth it. My regulars have been less than 150 dollar for hour and their looks and skills in sex have been perfect for me, so I won't settle for less. Since so few girls in Mamba replied last summer, the market in Kiev didn't appear satisfying. If this would change, it gives a new interest to the city. I liked the place otherwise.

If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.

This sentence requires further explanation, since there hasn't been mentions about the prices in previous critical moments in the history of Kiev / Ukraine. Is this your personal experience? Where did the spike in prices show up? Non-pro, semi-pro, pro?

Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it.

It's called planning. I use this forum to find a place to have a holiday. That's the reason to read these posts: to find information about availability, prices and experiences with independent girls, salons etc. I see that some like to use it for other purposes, but based on the amount of questions related to direct experiences concerning prices, availability of girls etc. In this forum at large, I would say that most of the people are here for that. To share their experiences among these issues. Some like to write stories of what they did. All the way to what positions they had etc. - but I find that to be rather amusing. In a silly way. But everyone to their tastes.

There was good discussion around last spring and summer.

No. Fatal mistake.

Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.

1st: there are periodically fixed vacation times that prevent the travel at one's leisure, so my main trip of the year will be in the summer season. I'd say that I have to book my trip in the next two months, so I still have a little bit of time to wait to see if the dust will rise or settle down.

2st: I wouldn't consider it safe to travel at this moment. Nobody can say what will happen to the (return) flights in the next month.

[Nero6]

Are you in Ukraine, or is this advice based on news reports?

I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).

Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.

Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.

And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.