Seeking Arrangements

[The Cane]

It remains a good idea to be indirect. But you would be surprised how many guys are looking for something free. The term "mutually beneficial" seems widely accepted as skirting the line. You can also just say things like "sure". "I want you to be happy".

I use a similar approach. In order to avoid "going first". For example, I had one girl ask "what was I offering". I replied, "What would make you happy"? Hahaha! The Cane knows how to negotiate with these tutes. Oh excuse me! These "sugar babies" LOLOLOL!

[Steve 9696]

I signed up on Monday for premium. I'm in a large coastal US area.

1. Girls are more direct than I expected. Once a conversation gets going girls have asked me what I'm looking for and what I can contribute. I've been using Steve's excellent guide as a script and expected to have to finesse it more IE "gifts" and "help". I've been saying I'm looking for someone I can go out with and maybe get intimate with if we connect but one girl asked if that included financial help. It doesn't sound like you guys are leading with numbers but maybe my area is different?

2. Rates are all over. First girl I texted with wanted 600. I said I could do 4 and she balked. Second said she'd done 3-4 k / month in the past. No mention of ppm but it should start with ppm right? Third I said 400 and no objections but now asking for 5.

3. Pics. I wasn't using a pic and first two didn't ask for one which makes me a little suspicious. One girl blocked me after I sent a pic which stung. I'm not white so that was my first guess but what can I do.

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

1. It remains a good idea to be indirect. But you would be surprised how many guys are looking for something free. The term "mutually beneficial" seems widely accepted as skirting the line. You can also just say things like "sure. I want you to be happy. " Or "sure. I always take care of my girl". And suggest you go to WhatsApp or text to discuss further.

2. Assume you are doing all this negotiation on text or What's not Seeking. BTW a nice feature of WhatsApp is that it's end to end encrypted. No one not even What's personnel can read your messages other than the receiving phone. Def stick to PPM. If she says monthly tell her that you have found PPM to be more fair all around (it's true! The numbers you are seeing are not surprising. I'the say $500 had become the norm for big city and girls see a big difference between 4 and 5 for some reason. Like a cartel. I did have some success with a girl saying that I can't keep doing 500 if we became regulars. But you could do 5 for the first meetup and if we liked each other do 4 after that.

3. I get blocked or ghosted on occasion after sending pics and damn it does sting. Doesn't actually even get better. But it's better than them saying it out loud. I had one girl say "I just don't think I could get with someone that old" ouch! Remember that even you have your types. Just because your not her type doesn't mean you aren't awesome. So fuck her. Next next.

4. I never bring up hotel explicitly even during the meet. At the right moment I just say "You want to get out of here" and if she says sure I excuse myself to the bathroom and book it on my phone. I know it sounds weird to just go to the hotel without saying that's where you are going but that's the way the Nanpa dudes do it and it def works. I've only had a handful of balks in the room and a couple of those I was able to close in the end.

[Midwestern]

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

Yeah, hotels are tricky if you are using SA in your own hometown. Here are my 2 cents.

(1) For first date, do not book a hotel before the date. A lot of first dates do not end up in bed. I made the mistake of booking a hotel for first dates many times, and the reason it was a mistake is because sometimes (maybe oftentimes) the gal stood me up or I could not close the deal, which meant that I wasted a lot of money on those hotels.

(2) If the date goes well, then you could check into a hotel together, but then that means she will find out your real name while you guys are at the reception desk checking in (I am assuming you want to remain anonymous, at least in the beginning). I guess you could tell her to wait in the hotel bar, but that may be a buzz kill, especially if checking in takes a while.

(3) You could download a hotel app so that you can book the room on your way to the hotel. I did this a few times. But I still had to pick up the keys, which still takes some time.

(4) Your idea of saying that you booked a hotel in case you got too drunk to drive home is not believable, since you can always call an Uber.

(5) Another thing about checking into a hotel room with the gal is that upon entering the room, many TVs will have an announcement saying, "Welcome to the Hilton, Mr. Mid Western. " One time, even the stereo system had my name on it. Of course, if you booked the room ahead of time you can enter the room alone, before the date, and do damage control by turning off the TV, etc. , but see (1) above.

So, here's what I ended up doing. I just asked the gal if she could host (if we hit it off). If she could not, and we had chemistry, then for subsequent dates I booked hotels ahead of time (but usually pretty cheap hotels). This way, I had the room ready to go, with the keys in my pocket before we met up. I also used AirBNBs.

Good luck.

[GoingDumb]

I signed up on Monday for premium. I'm in a large coastal US area.

1. Girls are more direct than I expected. Once a conversation gets going girls have asked me what I'm looking for and what I can contribute. I've been using Steve's excellent guide as a script and expected to have to finesse it more IE "gifts" and "help". I've been saying I'm looking for someone I can go out with and maybe get intimate with if we connect but one girl asked if that included financial help. It doesn't sound like you guys are leading with numbers but maybe my area is different?

2. Rates are all over. First girl I texted with wanted 600. I said I could do 4 and she balked. Second said she'd done 3-4 k / month in the past. No mention of ppm but it should start with ppm right? Third I said 400 and no objections but now asking for 5.

3. Pics. I wasn't using a pic and first two didn't ask for one which makes me a little suspicious. One girl blocked me after I sent a pic which stung. I'm not white so that was my first guess but what can I do.

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

[Ggekko2009]

I stumbled across this page and want to get feedback on how realistic are these PPM rates and I assume this article is intended for the US reader.

Here is the link:

https://www.whatisasugarbaby.com/how...per-visit.html

For Tier-1 Cities:

Platonic date: four-hour to eight-hours, dinner, and stay together.

Lowest: $100.

Reasonable: $100-200.

Good: $200+.

A Standard Date: four-hour to six-hours, dinner, and have sex.

Lowest: $300.

Reasonable: $400-600.

Good: $800+.

For Smaller Cities:

Platonic date: four-hour to eight-hours, dinner, and stay together.

Lowest: $50.

Reasonable: $100.

Good: $200+.

A Standard Date: four-hour to six-hours, dinner, and have sex.

Lowest: $200.

Reasonable: $300-500.

Good: $500+.

Overnight Date: 12-hour, dinner, have sex, and spend the night.

Lowest: $300.

Reasonable: $400-700.

Good: $800+.

Overnight Date: 12-hour, dinner, have sex, and spend the night.

Lowest: $400.

Reasonable: $500-800.

Good: $1000+.

[Gimmedub]

I generally offer 200-300 mil pesos for a couple hours dinner / dessert. I'd say 50% hit ratio with about half of those interested / willing to repeat. Strong 7-8's. I speak decent Spanish and spend most of my time in the country and can discuss politics / trends / music etc. If so desired.

Hi. Just curious how much you guys are providing for SA's in Bogota or other places in Colombia. The one's that want to discuss the prices ask for 800 mil pesos or 1,325 mill pesos which I feel is very high but your get insights from members here.

[Steve 9696]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?

My current Middle Eastern locations are a literal and figurative desert.

I'm due to the UK in the middle of April and have pretty much decided to get back on Seeking for the couple of weeks I'm there.

My own thoughts are anything more than a couple of weeks before I can start meeting girls is pointless. On the other hand, I find being on Seeking to be extremely entertaining in the tabboo and vaguely self destructive way most really fun things are. Who doesn't love talking sex and getting racy pictures from 18-22 year old girls? For an international monger, the fact they're the same nationality of me is extra spice.

Hmmm.

You have the right idea — a week or two out is ideal. But I've also scored same day or day before wins. Sounds like you are like me and love the chase though. And I find myself browsing 2 months in advance. This actually seems to be ok. Yes a ton of these will fade out by visit time. But sometimes you latch onto a real keeper. I've had at least 5 girls where we linked up on text 6-8 weeks ahead. And these are some of my fave girls.

But even if all your six week out girls fade, there will be a new crop of 1-2 week girls when you get to that point. The magic of the SA merry go round!

[AsianPursuits]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?.

I have set up three dates from out of town. I send a standard message to a heap of girls in the target city about two weeks before. Collect some numbers and small qualifying chat. Then I go quiet telling them I'll message when I'm there.

Any sex chat more than a week will just fail as the girl and you will find someone else.

Any further in advance and too many girls drop off the site, get pissed off with their local time wasters or a few actually find someone.

In any case, worst case is you need 1-5 days to get dates lined up.

[J Janni]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?

My current Middle Eastern locations are a literal and figurative desert.

I'm due to the UK in the middle of April and have pretty much decided to get back on Seeking for the couple of weeks I'm there.

My own thoughts are anything more than a couple of weeks before I can start meeting girls is pointless. On the other hand, I find being on Seeking to be extremely entertaining in the tabboo and vaguely self destructive way most really fun things are. Who doesn't love talking sex and getting racy pictures from 18-22 year old girls? For an international monger, the fact they're the same nationality of me is extra spice.

Hmmm.

[WyattEarp]

Some Businesses have US credit card merchant accounts so they can keep US $ in their US accounts. I think the government does not see all the money from these transactions. I guess some real estate transactions is the same way. I was told the long term rental contract is made up of multiple short term contracts with depreciation priced in when paid in pesos.

Unlike Brazil, I would say Argentina has basically a dollarized economy. In essence, people mentally peg prices to the dollar with their math. The rich Argentinians know how to protect their money.

The country had some success with maintaining the value of their currency when it was quasi-pegged to the Dollar in the 1990's. When the Peso was devalued significantly in 2002, there was a brief window in time where the country was very cheap for tourists. After an adjustment, I think the relative price of things has stayed tied to the Dollar. I think the higher-end escorts figured this currency math out very quickly. Probably because they are interested in luxury imports and are meeting foreign and local men of some affluence.

[Nounce]

...I don't think youtubers affect the market in any way, since not all of them are mongers, and they are just a small fraction of tourists coming to BA...

I made the comment independent of price. I am saying it is pretty well known already. Anyway, it is an amazing city to visit, very walkable and so easy to get a good dinner late, and nice cafes everywhere. Things are even cheaper outside of the capital. To me, the only things better in Medellin is girls, and perhaps the weather. Summer is hot in BA.

... I wonder if in the pandemic that would have been less than 30 minutes. ...

Rush hour is still bad. Off peak will take less time but I think it will be more than 30 minutes. There is another domestic airport nearby.

There is a subway from the airport so that can be a reliabe way to avoid traffic. That is why I frequently take subway to avoid the traffic and have uber waiting for me at the stion when I exit.

There were 2 clubs in Argentina that were like the boates in Sao Paulo ...

There are still a couple of clubs left. One is better but more expensive. The total number of girls probably is less than 40 when I visited.

...Thing about using currencies is that may not work in Argentina because it has become like a barter economy. Because the peso has been such toilet paper, people have been using other instruments to trade goods and services..

Some Businesses have US credit card merchant accounts so they can keep US $ in their US accounts. I think the government does not see all the money from these transactions. I guess some real estate transactions is the same way. I was told the long term rental contract is made up of multiple short term contracts with depreciation priced in when paid in pesos.

[Akibono]

I got a SA account for over a month now but only upgraded to a paid membership a week ago since they ran a promotion. Thanks to our Jedi Masters (Steve, Cane and the others) here in this forum, I was at least able to navigate around the minefields. Never mention about p4 p on the platform, talk to them outside on WhatsApp etc the first chance etc.

I am definitely still a Padawan here if I can even call myself that, hehehe. My intent is partly learn how to use this platform effectively and partly collect all the girls contacts from the different countries I plan to visit in the near future while at it.

I am hoping for any advice on leveraging this for the local scene, I. E in the US. Do you guys set a city location near where you live in SA or somewhere else? Do you initiate contact most of the time? I don't feel comfortable doing so with anyone under 21. I do hope SA does an age check that they are all above 18. Anyway, that is the demographics that tend to show up a lot in the search. What sort of icebreakers?

Anyway, sharing some of my experience that I had with SA so far.

- Almost all the girls outside the US are straight to the point as soon as they get to a chance. They would ask what kind of arrangement that you want to have the first chance they get. No patience for small talk to build up any connection. Sometimes, I would just pass. Somehow, I was just put off by this lack of patience. I would collect their info and may just contact them when the time comes..

If they don't want to chat, they are pros.

[AsianPursuits]

The person had already deactivated their account on the site, so no need to block them there.

If it's just deactivated then they will be back to use that profile at another time in another place.

I think seeking could do a lot better to screen out the scammers. I can attest to at least 5 profiles in my local search which are all scammers. Surprising how many beautiful attractive girls can be bitcoin investment gurus. More surprising is the number of horny guys that still fall for them.

[Elvis 2008]

Hi. Just curious how much you guys are providing for SA's in Bogota or other places in Colombia. The one's that want to discuss the prices ask for 800 mil pesos or 1,325 mill pesos which I feel is very high but your get insights from members here.

Way, way, way too much. Most I ever paid was $140 for 2 hours. Both gals were 9's who let me bareback them, and in hindsight I felt like I overpaid. I recommend you hang with gals that do not mention price. Most gals I gave $80 or $100. This was for multiple hours with rare condom usage.

Thing about Bogota for every 5 gals you are chatting with, 4 will disappear by the time you get there so I would not start chatting until like one or two weeks before you are ready to go.

[Ggekko2009]

I got a SA account for over a month now but only upgraded to a paid membership a week ago since they ran a promotion. Thanks to our Jedi Masters (Steve, Cane and the others) here in this forum, I was at least able to navigate around the minefields. Never mention about p4 p on the platform, talk to them outside on WhatsApp etc the first chance etc.

I am definitely still a Padawan here if I can even call myself that, hehehe. My intent is partly learn how to use this platform effectively and partly collect all the girls contacts from the different countries I plan to visit in the near future while at it.

I am hoping for any advice on leveraging this for the local scene, I. E in the US. Do you guys set a city location near where you live in SA or somewhere else? Do you initiate contact most of the time? I don't feel comfortable doing so with anyone under 21. I do hope SA does an age check that they are all above 18. Anyway, that is the demographics that tend to show up a lot in the search. What sort of icebreakers?

Anyway, sharing some of my experience that I had with SA so far.

- Almost all the girls outside the US are straight to the point as soon as they get to a chance. They would ask what kind of arrangement that you want to have the first chance they get. No patience for small talk to build up any connection. Sometimes, I would just pass. Somehow, I was just put off by this lack of patience. I would collect their info and may just contact them when the time comes.

- Girls in the US rarely use WhatsApp and usually their first or second chat statement will be, text me at this number etc. For girls outside the US, I would usually have to ask their WhatsApp for it. Some use Telegram.

- I even got a message from an agency who claimed that they have a connection of girls etc. I think after a short while, that account was summarily banned, since I can no longer see that message in my SA inbox.

Anyway, I am still learning and sharing back my experience at the same time. No ROI on the use of this platform yet.