Seeking Arrangements

[The Cane]

I tell them they must be on another planet when they start out that high.

I would rather play with myself for free.

I had one tell me she wanted $300 just for a meet and greet. I laughed at her (it was all by text on the site), then I blocked her ass LOL!

[WyattEarp]

It's so strange to me that you can't discuss what seeking is ostensibly for on seeking.

I think Steve's insightful comment awhile back is always worth reposting. He wrote:

"That sucks that it went to hell so fast. Not that I should be giving advice but I think you have twice fucked up a good thing by treating girls like pros. This is the cardinal sin of SBSD (or really real life also). As soon as it feels transactional these crossover girls run for the hills. Remember the cow and meat analogy. No one wants to pay a guy to kill a cow in front of him. I want to buy the steak a long distance away from the killing. Keep the sex and the money as distant as possible."

When you recount experiences with women, it makes total sense. While many men will view Seeking as a P4 P site, many of the women will rationalize it is a little financial help for friendship, companionship, etc. If that's what makes them comfortable, that's what you have to present. Beyond the world of Seeking, I think you will also be surprised how many attractive women are offered things in order to be someone's companion for awhile. Some accept gifts or financial help feeling that it's okay if they like the guy. They never think of themselves as offering sex for money.

This might not be the best example, but it still exemplifies how one must relate to women. When you have a one night stand with a women, you rarely say "Hey, let's go back to my place to have sex." Sure, some women might react positive to directness. Most of if the time, though, you have to present it as "Do you want to go back to my place and have some wine? "We can relax at my place. " Part of the seduction is the indirect manner of communication.

Steve has many encounters where he literally has to seduce a Seeking girl. We've all been there at one point or another. The woman is at your place late at night. She looks like she doesn't want to leave. However, when you go to kiss her she balks. She feels things are moving too fast. You have to slowly make her think that it's just kissing before you move forward. It doesn't really make all that much sense to a logical mind.

[NeilGeorge]

It's so strange to me that you can't discuss what seeking is ostensibly for on seeking. One girl came straight out and asked if I was interested in ppm then gave a price when I asked. 500 seems to be on the low side, I've had a couple ask for 6 now.

I tell them they must be on another planet when they start out that high.

I would rather play with myself for free.

[GoingDumb]

Yeah, hotels are tricky if you are using SA in your own hometown. Here are my 2 cents.

(1) For first date, do not book a hotel before the date. A lot of first dates do not end up in bed. I made the mistake of booking a hotel for first dates many times, and the reason it was a mistake is because sometimes (maybe oftentimes) the gal stood me up or I could not close the deal, which meant that I wasted a lot of money on those hotels.

(2) If the date goes well, then you could check into a hotel together, but then that means she will find out your real name while you guys are at the reception desk checking in (I am assuming you want to remain anonymous, at least in the beginning). I guess you could tell her to wait in the hotel bar, but that may be a buzz kill, especially if checking in takes a while.

(3) You could download a hotel app so that you can book the room on your way to the hotel. I did this a few times. But I still had to pick up the keys, which still takes some time.

(4) Your idea of saying that you booked a hotel in case you got too drunk to drive home is not believable, since you can always call an Uber..

Does asking them to host ever spook them? I'm also not sure if they live nearby which makes it trickier. Good to know I shouldn't expect much on first meets.

[GoingDumb]

1. It remains a good idea to be indirect. But you would be surprised how many guys are looking for something free. The term "mutually beneficial" seems widely accepted as skirting the line. You can also just say things like "sure. I want you to be happy. " Or "sure. I always take care of my girl". And suggest you go to WhatsApp or text to discuss further.

2. Assume you are doing all this negotiation on text or What's not Seeking. BTW a nice feature of WhatsApp is that it's end to end encrypted. No one not even What's personnel can read your messages other than the receiving phone. Def stick to PPM. If she says monthly tell her that you have found PPM to be more fair all around (it's true! The numbers you are seeing are not surprising. I'the say $500 had become the norm for big city and girls see a big difference between 4 and 5 for some reason. Like a cartel. I did have some success with a girl saying that I can't keep doing 500 if we became regulars. But you could do 5 for the first meetup and if we liked each other do 4 after that.

3. I get blocked or ghosted on occasion after sending pics and damn it does sting. Doesn't actually even get better. But it's better than them saying it out loud. I had one girl say "I just don't think I could get with someone that old" ouch! Remember that even you have your types. Just because your not her type doesn't mean you aren't awesome. So fuck her. Next next.

4. I never bring up hotel explicitly even during the meet. At the right moment I just say "You want to get out of here" and if she says sure I excuse myself to the bathroom and book it on my phone. I know it sounds weird to just go to the hotel without saying that's where you are going but that's the way the Nanpa dudes do it and it def works. I've only had a handful of balks in the room and a couple of those I was able to close in the end.

It's so strange to me that you can't discuss what seeking is ostensibly for on seeking. One girl came straight out and asked if I was interested in ppm then gave a price when I asked. 500 seems to be on the low side, I've had a couple ask for 6 now.

It sounds like you have a hotel in mind at least, something close to where you've planned the date.

[The Cane]

It remains a good idea to be indirect. But you would be surprised how many guys are looking for something free. The term "mutually beneficial" seems widely accepted as skirting the line. You can also just say things like "sure". "I want you to be happy".

I use a similar approach. In order to avoid "going first". For example, I had one girl ask "what was I offering". I replied, "What would make you happy"? Hahaha! The Cane knows how to negotiate with these tutes. Oh excuse me! These "sugar babies" LOLOLOL!

[Steve 9696]

I signed up on Monday for premium. I'm in a large coastal US area.

1. Girls are more direct than I expected. Once a conversation gets going girls have asked me what I'm looking for and what I can contribute. I've been using Steve's excellent guide as a script and expected to have to finesse it more IE "gifts" and "help". I've been saying I'm looking for someone I can go out with and maybe get intimate with if we connect but one girl asked if that included financial help. It doesn't sound like you guys are leading with numbers but maybe my area is different?

2. Rates are all over. First girl I texted with wanted 600. I said I could do 4 and she balked. Second said she'd done 3-4 k / month in the past. No mention of ppm but it should start with ppm right? Third I said 400 and no objections but now asking for 5.

3. Pics. I wasn't using a pic and first two didn't ask for one which makes me a little suspicious. One girl blocked me after I sent a pic which stung. I'm not white so that was my first guess but what can I do.

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

1. It remains a good idea to be indirect. But you would be surprised how many guys are looking for something free. The term "mutually beneficial" seems widely accepted as skirting the line. You can also just say things like "sure. I want you to be happy. " Or "sure. I always take care of my girl". And suggest you go to WhatsApp or text to discuss further.

2. Assume you are doing all this negotiation on text or What's not Seeking. BTW a nice feature of WhatsApp is that it's end to end encrypted. No one not even What's personnel can read your messages other than the receiving phone. Def stick to PPM. If she says monthly tell her that you have found PPM to be more fair all around (it's true! The numbers you are seeing are not surprising. I'the say $500 had become the norm for big city and girls see a big difference between 4 and 5 for some reason. Like a cartel. I did have some success with a girl saying that I can't keep doing 500 if we became regulars. But you could do 5 for the first meetup and if we liked each other do 4 after that.

3. I get blocked or ghosted on occasion after sending pics and damn it does sting. Doesn't actually even get better. But it's better than them saying it out loud. I had one girl say "I just don't think I could get with someone that old" ouch! Remember that even you have your types. Just because your not her type doesn't mean you aren't awesome. So fuck her. Next next.

4. I never bring up hotel explicitly even during the meet. At the right moment I just say "You want to get out of here" and if she says sure I excuse myself to the bathroom and book it on my phone. I know it sounds weird to just go to the hotel without saying that's where you are going but that's the way the Nanpa dudes do it and it def works. I've only had a handful of balks in the room and a couple of those I was able to close in the end.

[Midwestern]

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

Yeah, hotels are tricky if you are using SA in your own hometown. Here are my 2 cents.

(1) For first date, do not book a hotel before the date. A lot of first dates do not end up in bed. I made the mistake of booking a hotel for first dates many times, and the reason it was a mistake is because sometimes (maybe oftentimes) the gal stood me up or I could not close the deal, which meant that I wasted a lot of money on those hotels.

(2) If the date goes well, then you could check into a hotel together, but then that means she will find out your real name while you guys are at the reception desk checking in (I am assuming you want to remain anonymous, at least in the beginning). I guess you could tell her to wait in the hotel bar, but that may be a buzz kill, especially if checking in takes a while.

(3) You could download a hotel app so that you can book the room on your way to the hotel. I did this a few times. But I still had to pick up the keys, which still takes some time.

(4) Your idea of saying that you booked a hotel in case you got too drunk to drive home is not believable, since you can always call an Uber.

(5) Another thing about checking into a hotel room with the gal is that upon entering the room, many TVs will have an announcement saying, "Welcome to the Hilton, Mr. Mid Western. " One time, even the stereo system had my name on it. Of course, if you booked the room ahead of time you can enter the room alone, before the date, and do damage control by turning off the TV, etc. , but see (1) above.

So, here's what I ended up doing. I just asked the gal if she could host (if we hit it off). If she could not, and we had chemistry, then for subsequent dates I booked hotels ahead of time (but usually pretty cheap hotels). This way, I had the room ready to go, with the keys in my pocket before we met up. I also used AirBNBs.

Good luck.

[GoingDumb]

I signed up on Monday for premium. I'm in a large coastal US area.

1. Girls are more direct than I expected. Once a conversation gets going girls have asked me what I'm looking for and what I can contribute. I've been using Steve's excellent guide as a script and expected to have to finesse it more IE "gifts" and "help". I've been saying I'm looking for someone I can go out with and maybe get intimate with if we connect but one girl asked if that included financial help. It doesn't sound like you guys are leading with numbers but maybe my area is different?

2. Rates are all over. First girl I texted with wanted 600. I said I could do 4 and she balked. Second said she'd done 3-4 k / month in the past. No mention of ppm but it should start with ppm right? Third I said 400 and no objections but now asking for 5.

3. Pics. I wasn't using a pic and first two didn't ask for one which makes me a little suspicious. One girl blocked me after I sent a pic which stung. I'm not white so that was my first guess but what can I do.

4. Hotels? How do you bring up hotels? I'm not out of town so that won't work. I don't expect to bring them over on the first meet or expect them to have me over but is that what they expect? I haven't gotten that far but figured I'd say I got one in case I had to much to drink and couldn't drive home.

[Ggekko2009]

I stumbled across this page and want to get feedback on how realistic are these PPM rates and I assume this article is intended for the US reader.

Here is the link:

https://www.whatisasugarbaby.com/how...per-visit.html

For Tier-1 Cities:

Platonic date: four-hour to eight-hours, dinner, and stay together.

Lowest: $100.

Reasonable: $100-200.

Good: $200+.

A Standard Date: four-hour to six-hours, dinner, and have sex.

Lowest: $300.

Reasonable: $400-600.

Good: $800+.

For Smaller Cities:

Platonic date: four-hour to eight-hours, dinner, and stay together.

Lowest: $50.

Reasonable: $100.

Good: $200+.

A Standard Date: four-hour to six-hours, dinner, and have sex.

Lowest: $200.

Reasonable: $300-500.

Good: $500+.

Overnight Date: 12-hour, dinner, have sex, and spend the night.

Lowest: $300.

Reasonable: $400-700.

Good: $800+.

Overnight Date: 12-hour, dinner, have sex, and spend the night.

Lowest: $400.

Reasonable: $500-800.

Good: $1000+.

[Gimmedub]

I generally offer 200-300 mil pesos for a couple hours dinner / dessert. I'd say 50% hit ratio with about half of those interested / willing to repeat. Strong 7-8's. I speak decent Spanish and spend most of my time in the country and can discuss politics / trends / music etc. If so desired.

Hi. Just curious how much you guys are providing for SA's in Bogota or other places in Colombia. The one's that want to discuss the prices ask for 800 mil pesos or 1,325 mill pesos which I feel is very high but your get insights from members here.

[Steve 9696]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?

My current Middle Eastern locations are a literal and figurative desert.

I'm due to the UK in the middle of April and have pretty much decided to get back on Seeking for the couple of weeks I'm there.

My own thoughts are anything more than a couple of weeks before I can start meeting girls is pointless. On the other hand, I find being on Seeking to be extremely entertaining in the tabboo and vaguely self destructive way most really fun things are. Who doesn't love talking sex and getting racy pictures from 18-22 year old girls? For an international monger, the fact they're the same nationality of me is extra spice.

Hmmm.

You have the right idea — a week or two out is ideal. But I've also scored same day or day before wins. Sounds like you are like me and love the chase though. And I find myself browsing 2 months in advance. This actually seems to be ok. Yes a ton of these will fade out by visit time. But sometimes you latch onto a real keeper. I've had at least 5 girls where we linked up on text 6-8 weeks ahead. And these are some of my fave girls.

But even if all your six week out girls fade, there will be a new crop of 1-2 week girls when you get to that point. The magic of the SA merry go round!

[AsianPursuits]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?.

I have set up three dates from out of town. I send a standard message to a heap of girls in the target city about two weeks before. Collect some numbers and small qualifying chat. Then I go quiet telling them I'll message when I'm there.

Any sex chat more than a week will just fail as the girl and you will find someone else.

Any further in advance and too many girls drop off the site, get pissed off with their local time wasters or a few actually find someone.

In any case, worst case is you need 1-5 days to get dates lined up.

[J Janni]

How long before do you guys set up dates / contact girls?

My current Middle Eastern locations are a literal and figurative desert.

I'm due to the UK in the middle of April and have pretty much decided to get back on Seeking for the couple of weeks I'm there.

My own thoughts are anything more than a couple of weeks before I can start meeting girls is pointless. On the other hand, I find being on Seeking to be extremely entertaining in the tabboo and vaguely self destructive way most really fun things are. Who doesn't love talking sex and getting racy pictures from 18-22 year old girls? For an international monger, the fact they're the same nationality of me is extra spice.

Hmmm.

[WyattEarp]

Some Businesses have US credit card merchant accounts so they can keep US $ in their US accounts. I think the government does not see all the money from these transactions. I guess some real estate transactions is the same way. I was told the long term rental contract is made up of multiple short term contracts with depreciation priced in when paid in pesos.

Unlike Brazil, I would say Argentina has basically a dollarized economy. In essence, people mentally peg prices to the dollar with their math. The rich Argentinians know how to protect their money.

The country had some success with maintaining the value of their currency when it was quasi-pegged to the Dollar in the 1990's. When the Peso was devalued significantly in 2002, there was a brief window in time where the country was very cheap for tourists. After an adjustment, I think the relative price of things has stayed tied to the Dollar. I think the higher-end escorts figured this currency math out very quickly. Probably because they are interested in luxury imports and are meeting foreign and local men of some affluence.