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03-10-22 05:01 #277
Posts: 516China, as usual, is playing both sides
Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...n-aid-official
China urges implementation of safe humanitarian corridors:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-03-0...Ouk/index.html
"As a peace-loving country, China laments the fact that the situation in Ukraine has come to this stage, Zhang said. China supports all efforts to ease the escalation and strongly opposes any action that is not conducive to promoting a political settlement but rather fuels the fire and escalates the situation, he said" "Zhang reiterated that China's position of safeguarding the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all states and abiding by the purposes and principles of the UN Charter has been consistent".
As is ever the case, China will pursue it's own interests. They have no problem helping Russia avoid sanctions, especially if that leaves Russia indebted to them. But, despite ongoing speculation, has anyone seen evidence of any concrete military assistance from China to Russia?
I've been regularly checking news sources and social media accounts that are posting in-depth reports about the war in Ukraine. Whether pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine, any evidence of material military support would be a huge deal and would be widely covered. There have been zero reports of such, not even so much as single Chinese military-grade supply truck.
Those reporting on the war are scrutinizing satellite imagery, photos of trains and rail stations, etc. And there have been absolutely no sightings of Chinese equipment being employed by Russia. Talk is cheap, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but facts and evidence are what will rule the day.
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03-10-22 04:00 #276
Posts: 1264Originally Posted by HessenStud [View Original Post]
https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-r...ar-11646279098
https://warsawinstitute.review/issue...tary-alliance/
https://thediplomat.com/2016/12/behind-china-and-russias-special-relationship/
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3067.html
https://tass.com/politics/1379867?ut...rer=google.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_S..._of_Friendship
https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/the-emperors-league-understanding-sino-russian-defense-cooperation/
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...1836911b1dbc45
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mili...s-trade-player
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03-10-22 03:52 #275
Posts: 321HulaHoops
Anyone know about this guy? Anyone talk to him on PM?
Is he still with us?
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03-10-22 02:42 #274
Posts: 6476War and Peace
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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03-09-22 22:35 #273
Posts: 516Subjugated German vassal?
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
As far as rooting them out, would you prefer the Germans did that themselves or would you like to have some non-German power handle that job? And which country would you prefer, Russia, or China, or someone else?
What's really funny is that Putin's actions have strengthened the (US-led) NATO alliance in ways that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Which means, as I've mentioned in another post, that the presence of the US in Europe is likely to increase. I wonder how many more "vassal" states will be created as a result? Any guesses?
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03-09-22 20:27 #272
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
Surely, the Ukrainians will lose the battle for her country. But Putin will likely lose the war. This invasion is taking on global strategic implications. Putin did more for Ukrainian sovereign identity in two weeks than the last eight years since Putin's puppet was thrown out of the country. Putin has also united the Europeans. Even Switzerland is lending a small hand.
These new sanctions will seriously harm ordinary Russians. (You seem so genuinely concerned about ordinary Ukrainians. How about ordinary Russians?) The cost to occupy, control and / or rebuild the Ukraine will hurt a weakened economy. The Russian military expenditures likely won't be cutback in the short-run though. The likely outcomes in reaction will be more European defense spending and more global exploration / distribution of gas and oil. Neither of which is good for Russia in the long-run.
You have alluded to Putin rattling the nuclear saber to have the world take him and his demands seriously. Can this move be any stupider? You can't play this card and expect to win anything. Sure, it keeps Polish MiGs out of Ukrainian hands. It might even keep a light touch by the West, as Russia pounds the Ukrainians into submission. However, you don't think Europe and the USA Are adjusting their strategic defense policies? Even the Chinese might be thinking WTF is this guy doing.
Win the battle, but lose the war.
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03-09-22 19:24 #271
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
However, global strategic pivots don't occur overnight. If Germany was meeting its 2% NATO commitment to "pure" defense expenditures, it would likely be able to go toe-to-toe with Russia just on their own.
Having said that, Merkel's Russia policies are now being reevaluated. History has a a way of bringing clarity to the politics of the past.
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03-09-22 18:59 #270
Posts: 516Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Why don't you find the nearest Ukrainian and make that statement directly to their face? Then come back and let us know how that went.
And while you're at it, go ahead and repeat that exercise with someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong.
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03-09-22 17:54 #269
Posts: 1056Foix News Fuckhead
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
Europe's root problem is Americans are here.
You have your Audie Murphy / John Wayne black hat / white hat world view. Ukraine, of which you, being American, know sweet fuck all, shows your simplistic analysis (sic) is good for nothing, only to feed obese Americans. Following the Soviet Union's defeat of Nazi Germany, the CIA recruited Gestapo and SS to give them information on the USSR. This was most effective in Ukraine where Nazi contingents fought on into the mid 1950's. CIA controlled Ukrainian expats in Canada especially wrote the counter narrative that the SS were the good guys. That is why the Nazi have been more successful in Ukraine than anywhere else.
Americans do not belong in Europe. They should fuck off once and for all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYWy...LearningCenter
Hopefully the Bandera SS and their CIA handlers will be marched through Moscow like this on their way to new jobs in Siberia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC6o...nel=MaannaJoro
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03-09-22 14:03 #268
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
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03-09-22 10:04 #267
Posts: 18China's indifference doesn't mean China and Russia has a good relationship.
Originally Posted by MojoBandit [View Original Post]
If China supported Ukraine, later Putin could make big troubles on the boarder after the war in Ukraine, (because otherwise he would lost his face), let alone China needs the oil and gas from Russia (each year about 20 billion dollars). EU trades about 50 billion Euros oil and gas from Russia per year and it is not included in the current sanction.
During the WW 2, nobody made such a sanction to Hitler. Now look at the EU and USA, they want 'Putler' to stop the ear but they are continuously doing business with his land. What a shame! With the 50 billion Euros Putin can fight 365 days per year! Are there still bravery spirit in Americans? I cannot see any of them like in WW 2, Irak, Afhan, Korea or Vietnam! Remember you (esp. USA and England) have promised Ukraine that you will defend Ukraine if any country invade Ukraine as Ukraine damaged his atom bombs. China has also a similar pact with Ukraine, that's why even now China does not admit, that it is an invasion.
Putin said there is Nazis in Ukraine and he has to clean them out for his country's benefit, but there is always Nazis in Germany, will later Putin also take care Germany? For example, attacking Berlin? If Americans now send troops, I don't think China, India, Brazil etc. Will do any business with Russia, because it will be a final contest, it's a matter dying for justice or dying as a coward!
The above is only my two cents, it doesn't represent any groups or governments' opinion.
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03-09-22 09:06 #266
Posts: 1056Only the USA Threatens the World
The USA is a serial invader of other countries. Right now, it is occupying and looting Syria of its oil. It destroyed Libya, got its side kicks to destroy Libya, is complicit in the Saudi genocide of Yemen, destroyed the Nordstream 2 gas project.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]Last edited by Admin3; 03-15-22 at 16:30.
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03-09-22 06:02 #265
Posts: 2012Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
Tell you what, though. I wouldn't mind if we tried to tackle both. Especially that Xi seems to be going out of his way to please his buddy Pu. Let's hit him with something like, I don't know, warning sanctions if he tries too hard.
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Originally Posted by Kozerog [View Original Post]
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03-09-22 04:28 #264
Posts: 242Thankfully, Zelensky is finally being reasonable, or maybe it's the extreme nationalists who are finally allowing Zelensky to be reasonable rather than threatening to kill him for any signs of capitulation. Article below shows agreement on 3 of Putin's 5 demands. Remaining demands are no EU membership and de-militarization. If Ukraine can swallow no NATO, they can swallow no EU. As for de-militarization, probably no offensive weapons will be enough to satisfy Russia. Unlimited anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, but no long-range surface to surface missiles, limited aircraft, certainly no nukes. Putin must be given a victory soon, otherwise Kyiv and orher cities get saturation bombed. Hopefully, CIA is communicating this clearly to the Stepan Bandera crowd and hopefully that crowd is satisfied with how many Russian tanks and troops they have destroyed so far. , so that this war can finally end.
https://us.yahoo.com/news/ukraines-z...181721289.html
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03-09-22 02:26 #263
Posts: 516Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]