American Politics

[Canada]

What goals?

Obviously, the political goal of weakening the Western alliances and democracy wherever it exists and the economic goal of crashing the USA economy and wiping out millions of American jobs.

If those are not the goals of "conservative" Repubs, then why do they keep trying to do it and succeeding in doing it all too often?

Is it intentional or the result of regular ol' incompetence? Ultimately, it doesn't really matter.

I refuse to accuse them of being as incompetent as they would have to be in order to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of American jobs as successfully and consistently as they have over the decades.

Therefore, I generously choose to conclude that it is intentional. Based on the Kremlin-originated talking points they recite to promote their ideas and then achieve their disastrous results, I would say it is at least as intentional as it is for their often stated preferred "leader of the free world", Vladimir Putin.

The democrats and socialists are totally responsible for weakening Western alliances and democracy. Also for ruining the economy. Also for high gas prices and record inflation. The proof was in the last election. They voted for Biden even after Republicans warned them about his incompetence. But proof is right in front of you. You voted for Biden. He is a joke to the rest of the world. Some countries won't even take his calls.

[Canada]

Here are some facts re: oil prices: https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...124650456.html.

Canada, CaliGuy, Elvis and the rest of the supporters of the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy will say "fake news".

You just proved us all right again by posting with opinions and fake news. You are about as smart as Biden.

[Canada]

I like having the first doable VP.

If the VP is doable without a blindfold over your eyes and a bag over VP head then your standards are a lot lower than anyone expected. Make sure you have a barf bag handy.

[Canada]

I see a couple of our resident wingers have posted one of their very few links to an opinion piece asserting poll respondents who think Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still so-called potus must have "logically" concluded Putin was too scared of Trump to invade and destroy a budding democracy on his watch.

And that would be because, don't laugh too hard here, Trump was "strong", was so so so very pro democracy and would not hesitate to use American military might to punish Putin for it and all that.

Oh, and that Putin wasn't afraid to do so under Biden. Or, apparently, under Bush2 or under Obama. See, while Putin was president / prime minister of Russia, he invaded neighboring countries under each of those USA presidents, 3 of the 4 most recent presidents but, very mysteriously, skipped just one; Donald J. Trump.

Now, applying the most blatantly obvious logic one would apply to, say, 3 out of 4 of the condos in your complex being burgularized in the past week but the burgular mysteriously skipping one of them and that one happening to be occupied by a tenent who spent 4 years slamming and denigrating all the other condo tenents and mocking them for caring so much about not being burgularized, basic logic would dictate one ought to direct some suspicion to the singular exception to Putin's pattern rather than at any of the three who fell well within his usual pattern...

You were right when you said that Putin wouldn't have attacked Ukraine if Trump was president. You were right again when you said Putin was scared of Trump. And you were right the third time when you said Biden was there to help Putin achieve his goals. We understand totally. Congratulations.

[PVMonger]

"Once again, President Biden and his Minister of Propaganda, Jen Psaki, are misleading the American people. This time about oil production.

Mr. Biden and Ms. Psaki both say it is Putin who is most responsible for the rise in gas prices. The pair also put forth that the Biden administration is harvesting more oil than the Trump crew.

The sleight of hand is a comparison between the first year of both administrations. That doesn't matter because Trump grew oil production while Biden is shrinking it.

Here are the facts. When Donald Trump left office, the average price for a gallon of gas was around $2.50. After 13 months of Biden, the price had risen more than a dollar. And that was well before Putin's Ukraine invasion.

Under Trump in 2020, the US produced 18.4 million barrels of oil a day. During Biden's first year, the number was down to 16.6. That's about 2 million barrels a day less under Biden. Close to 800 million fewer barrels a year..

You and every other winger on this board seems to have forgotten one thing. COVID.

So, here's a little information that I'll try to keep simple for the simple-minded. According to the macrotrends, the US produced 13,100 BPD in March 2020. Do you or any winger have any idea whatsoever about what happened in March, 2020? I realize you don't but COVID started to hit the US hard. In August of 2020, US oil production was down to 9,700 BPD. Do you have any idea why? Any idea at all? COVID. Was Donnie responsible for this drop? According to your "logic", he was responsible. Now, anybody in their right mind knew that the Orange Fruitcake wasn't responsible for the drop in production. Anybody except you wingers.

Do you have a clue about why oil production dropped? Because fewer people were driving. Fewer people were using oil. That's why oil production dropped and that's why the price of oil was down to about $80 per barrel.

What happened starting in the February / March 2021 timeframe? Vaccines became available. As more people got vaccinated (well, to be fair, not too many tRUMPers did) and more restrictions were lifted, guess what? More people started using more oil? And what happened? Prices rose because demand started to outstrip supply.

As of January 2022, the US is producing about 11,500 BPD. Is 11500 more than 9,700 or less than 9,700?

You obviously have not a freaking clue as to what any of this means. Your rant is classic "post hoc ergo propter hoc" nonsense.

Nonsense but par for the course. https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...124650456.html.

[ChuchoLoco]

I like having the first doable VP.

Palin was doable too but can you imagine trailer trash as second in command? Those old guys, Joe and John, don't know how to pick them and really should never have been even a thought. I'm starting to believe in Adam and Eve.

[PVMonger]

If Trump wasn't the greatest job creator ever and Biden hasn't got jobs back to Trump pre pandemic employment then Biden is a disaster and worst ever. You proved my point Thanks.

You were the person who said that Donnie created a record number of jobs. Your exact words were ". Over the record jobs pre pandemic Trump." You said it.

The link I posted doesn't have the Mango Mussolini anywhere on the list of the top 10 jobs creators.

Who lied? You did.

But, wouldn't you know it, you won't admit that you lied. Just like your idol, the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy.

[Jay0940]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/u...elections.html

I saw that article. A typical NYTimes Republican piece of garbage. Since Democratic senators represent over 41,000,000 more constituents than Republican senators, how can an "even" division of House seats be fair. It's obvious that Republican seats have been increased through gerrymandering, cracking, and other tactics to dilute other voters. The article points at Democratic gerrymanders in 2020 but fails to mention the extreme gerrymandering (and systematic targeting to dilute voters of color as noted by the 4th Citcuit) engaged in by Republicans in 2010. Because. As Republicans have shown. The best way to win an election is to set the rules up in such a one-sided fashion that the opponent can't win.

[ScatManDoo]

Biden and the woke-tards must be proud of the 1st "Afro American" VP. The one thing you can say about Camel Face is that she always lives down to expectations.

https://twitter.com/mVespa1/status/1...inian-refugees

I like having the first doable VP.

[Axel Heyst]

Biden and the woke-tards must be proud of the 1st "Afro American" VP. The one thing you can say about Camel Face is that she always lives down to expectations.

https://twitter.com/mVespa1/status/1...inian-refugees

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/u...elections.html

[Paulie97]

Let's see if all the Repub Senators who were perfectly happy to tell Putin he could do anything he wanted to do militarily against Ukraine and with their full blessing when they refused to convict Trump in his Impeachment for blackmailing Zelensky, delaying and denying him crutial anti Putin invasion military aid at the worst possible time will do the right thing now:

"U.S. House passes Ukraine aid, gov't funding measure | Reuters" https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...re-2022-03-10/.

I assume some of those America-hating, pro-Putin Repub hypocrites will now have to pretend to be no different from pro-democracy Dems in this election year and grudgingly vote to help Ukraine fend off and fight Putin for a change.

That would be in stark contrast to that Repub Impeachment vote and their weak position on anti-Putin military aid to Ukraine going back to at least the week Putin / Trump ordered them to surgically remove that necessary support from their 2016 Republican Party platform.

The backpedaling is especially nauseating, especially from Putin's buttboy Tucker Carlson.

[EihTooms]

I see a couple of our resident wingers have posted one of their very few links to an opinion piece asserting poll respondents who think Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still so-called potus must have "logically" concluded Putin was too scared of Trump to invade and destroy a budding democracy on his watch.

And that would be because, don't laugh too hard here, Trump was "strong", was so so so very pro democracy and would not hesitate to use American military might to punish Putin for it and all that.

Oh, and that Putin wasn't afraid to do so under Biden. Or, apparently, under Bush2 or under Obama. See, while Putin was president / prime minister of Russia, he invaded neighboring countries under each of those USA presidents, 3 of the 4 most recent presidents but, very mysteriously, skipped just one; Donald J. Trump.

Now, applying the most blatantly obvious logic one would apply to, say, 3 out of 4 of the condos in your complex being burgularized in the past week but the burgular mysteriously skipping one of them and that one happening to be occupied by a tenent who spent 4 years slamming and denigrating all the other condo tenents and mocking them for caring so much about not being burgularized, basic logic would dictate one ought to direct some suspicion to the singular exception to Putin's pattern rather than at any of the three who fell well within his usual pattern.

But that isn't something Repubs and their loyal electioneering benefactors in Mainstream Media can abide.

No, we're just supposed to think ultra warmongering GW Bush who plunged us into 3 wars on his watch and even lied along with his administration about "WMD" in order to plunge us into one of them was too timid about using American military might to go after Putin for invading Georgia. Not that he could have gotten the necessary Senate approval for it anyway since Georgia was neither a member of NATO nor a matter of USA National Security.

Oh, and that Obama, who Repubs spent 8 years telling us was a "warmonger" who was trying to get America into wars all around the world and who requested the necessary Senate approval to respond to Russia militarily for invading Crimea (It was Moscow Mitch who killed that idea by not even putting it up for a vote) was also too "timid" to do it as well. Again, not that he could have gotten the necessary Senate approval for it anyway since Crimea was neither a member of NATO nor a matter of USA National Security.

However, Putin's goal of reconstituting a Soviet Block by weakening the Western alliances, weakening and destroying democracies wherever he finds one and, preferrably, by doing it without shedding Russian blood or, as is the case now, revealing what a big but blundering, ill-prepared and ill-equipped armed force he has at his disposal seemed to have met its perfect match in just one of the four most recent USA presidents.

Trump's (and his Party's) utter disregard for Ukraine, his publicly stated preference and high regard for Putin, most importantly, his actual behavior and action, not just smooth words, directed toward crippling Ukraine at the worst possible time, his secretly strengthening Putin's position to attack Ukraine or anywhere else he pleases, his weakening of the Western alliances and his demonstrated contempt for democracies everywhere including right in the USA, culminating in January 6, 2021 and everything Trump and later his Party have dismissively said about it, provides an overwhelming logical conclusion for why Trump was the lone exception out of the four most recent presidents.

Putin didn't have to shed Russian blood and expose his armed forces for the big but blundering screw ups they are or crash the Russian economy on his watch as long as Trump was there as his partner to achieve all of his pro-dictatorship, anti-democracy goals anyway.

Oh, and Trump was right there to help Putin achieve his goal to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of USA jobs along they way too. That was a nice bonus.

No way was Biden going to be there to help Putin achieve those goals at home and abroad as Trump was. That was becoming painfully obvious to Putin with every passing hour of the Biden presidency. He wasn't going to get help from the two presidents prior to Trump either.

And that's why Trump was the justifiably highly suspicious exception to Putin's pattern of invading neighboring countries out of the four most recent USA presidents. In fact, on the subject of indispensable assistance in achieving the goals of someone like Putin, Trump was the long exception among all USA presidents.

[PVMonger]

Here are some facts re: oil prices: https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-w...124650456.html.

Canada, CaliGuy, Elvis and the rest of the supporters of the one-term, twice-impeached, fake-POTUS former guy will say "fake news".

[EihTooms]

What "goals"? Here let me help you. Trump did not want Germany buying Russian gas and neither did I. Putin did, and Biden was fine with it.

Trump did not want the USA to be a net energy importer, and neither did I. Biden did and so did Putin.

Trump wanted lower oil prices as did I. Biden drove prices higher, and Putin loved that. And I guess you and your electric bike like higher gasoline prices too. That is the thing with you Dems you claim to be for the middle class while soaking them with higher energy prices.

I want the USA producing as much energy as it can, and Trump wanted that too. Biden does not. He is off making deal with Iran and Venezuela.

Trump told Germany to buy natural gas from us. He said that it was crazy that we are spending billions defending Europe, and Europe is turning around and giving Russia billions. Putin liked that and so did Biden.

And you want to talk about some fucking poll and "values"? Again, you and your Democratic buddies are fucking losing it.

What goals?

Obviously, the political goal of weakening the Western alliances and democracy wherever it exists and the economic goal of crashing the USA economy and wiping out millions of American jobs.

If those are not the goals of "conservative" Repubs, then why do they keep trying to do it and succeeding in doing it all too often?

Is it intentional or the result of regular ol' incompetence? Ultimately, it doesn't really matter.

I refuse to accuse them of being as incompetent as they would have to be in order to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of American jobs as successfully and consistently as they have over the decades.

Therefore, I generously choose to conclude that it is intentional. Based on the Kremlin-originated talking points they recite to promote their ideas and then achieve their disastrous results, I would say it is at least as intentional as it is for their often stated preferred "leader of the free world", Vladimir Putin.