Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

Why don't you tone it down? You just repeat US / NATO rubbish, with no personal in sight. People like you destroy this and similar sites.

Again, I admire your posts. It is a rarity when one can think through issues. The sooner the USA fucks out of Europe, the better. No point joining in as Americans just go Putin, Puutin, Putin, like the brainwashed cretins that they are.

Unfortunately for Putin, his invasion of Ukraine seems to have caused a diametrically opposed effect to what he likely envisioned. No matter what attitudes existed toward Ukraine and Russia before the invasion, Putin has singlehandedly caused the vast majority of the world to view him as the villain and Ukraine as the victim. Whatever you think or want the "reality" to be, perception and public opinion has overwhelmed it. And, when it comes to the information (or propaganda) battle space, Ukraine has dominated and Russia has failed miserably.

One clear result is that pro-NATO sentiment in Europe has grown. Some examples of that effect include Germany and Denmark ramping up defense budgets to the 2% NATO target and countries like Sweden and Finland seriously considering joining the alliance. And it's highly likely that more US-NATO troops will be stationed in more countries than ever before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...kraine/626965/

I have no idea in what country you live but, if its in Europe, I suspect you're going to be subjected to more NATO rubbish for years to come. On the other side of that coin, Putin has turned Russia into a pariah state that now exists in a bubble floating somewhere between North Korea and Iran.

Country-level sanctions are just part of it. What's truly remarkable is the vast number of private companies that have completely turned their back on Russia. The damage to the Russian economy is likely to last for years and many of those companies may never return. And, if Putin is found guilty of war crimes, which seems likely to happen, then Russia's pariah status will continue for as long as he remains in power.

So that's my personal insight, which I would assert is supported by the available evidence. And I would also suggest that you keep a sharp eye out for brainwashed cretins, as they're likely to be coming out of the (European) woodwork more than ever before.

P.S. If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Putin, Putin, Putin.

[WyattEarp]

I probably should have been more clear about what I meant by the "funny" characterization. And there's irony upon irony when one considers possible and probable knock-on effects for both Russia and China.

About the uncertainty of outcomes, you're absolutely correct. One thing that drives me crazy is the plethora of pundits and "experts" who speak with pseudo-certainty while ignoring or glossing over some of the variables that make this conflict quite a different beast.

Besides the professional pundits and the armchair experts on social media (myself included) opining about who is to blame and who could have prevented this war, I don't think this conflict is good for anyone.

[PedroMorales]

First, dial down the name calling. .

Why don't you tone it down? You just repeat US / NATO rubbish, with no personal in sight. People like you destroy this and similar sites.

I'm not going to debate with a moron a.

Again, I admire your posts. It is a rarity when one can think through issues. The sooner the USA fucks out of Europe, the better. No point joining in as Americans just go Putin, Puutin, Putin, like the brainwashed cretins that they are.

[PedroMorales]

I suggest Voltaire's Candide, the forerunner to HulaHoops. Pray for mongers everywhere (and hookers too).

I'm not convinced. First and only prior post was 1 year ago saying " Anyone here? What's the scene like?" and nothing more in the General Info for *Burma*. Next post he's already in trouble in Ukraine. No prior participation at all.

[HulaHoops]

As I have said before, I have no reason to lie or falsify reports. What do you expect me to take pictures of? Everything here is locked down and somber. If you don't believe me there's not much I can offer. I post these reports as a distraction to myself from the situation here. Not to mention I didn't come here by myself, other members of my group would be strongly opposed to me taking any pictures AND posting those pictures online. I thank others for their support. I have never asked for a single penny from anyone, I just wrote the reports to provide help to others who may have thought of coming or are even in the country. If you're unconvinced then feel free to ignore any of my posts. I just didn't have any information of worth to post till coming here.

[Neurosynth]

I'm not convinced. First and only prior post was 1 year ago saying " Anyone here? What's the scene like?" and nothing more in the General Info for *Burma*. Next post he's already in trouble in Ukraine. No prior participation at all.

[Jmsuttr]

Not really funny at all. Really predictable is what it is.

The Empire of Lies bid to incorporate Ukraine as another vassal is on temporary hold. We'll all have to wait and see how it goes. Wars can have uncertain outcomes.

I probably should have been more clear about what I meant by the "funny" characterization. And there's irony upon irony when one considers possible and probable knock-on effects for both Russia and China.

About the uncertainty of outcomes, you're absolutely correct. One thing that drives me crazy is the plethora of pundits and "experts" who speak with pseudo-certainty while ignoring or glossing over some of the variables that make this conflict quite a different beast.

[HessenStud]

China has involved in two main wars in the last 70 years or after they set up the new Republic of China. One is the the Korea war, back then the president Mao wants to lick the asshole of Stalin and let him trust him, so he lets his troops enter Korea and let more than 400 0000 soldiers died there although he knew clearly back then the USA will not attack China, the real enemy of USA back then is Russia. The second war is the war between China and Vietnam. Back then the President Deng has seen all countries who follow USA were getting richer, he wants to show some good signs to USA. So after USA left Vietnam, he attacked or invaded Vietnam, again, the Chinese President in fact was licking the asshole of another big power in the world. After that China and USA started their honeymoon, and only after that the economy in China is starting to develop, even to now. But more than 60 000 soldiers died during the invasion and the relation between Vietnam and China is completely broken, even now they cannot get along with each other.

Basically Chinese don't like war and, they are happy with their own land and they have some kind of 'middle' spirit in their blood, so you seldom see their troops in other countries, for example Syria, Irak or now in Ukraine. If they have a military goal, it will be to take and control Taiwan, but the current sanction to Russia almost completely destroys their hope of conquering Taiwan with troops or weapons.

[Golfinho]

What's really funny is that Putin's actions have strengthened the (US-led) NATO alliance in ways that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Which means, as I've mentioned in another post, that the presence of the US in Europe is likely to increase. I wonder how many more "vassal" states will be created as a result?

Not really funny at all. Really predictable is what it is.

The Empire of Lies bid to incorporate Ukraine as another vassal is on temporary hold. We'll all have to wait and see how it goes. Wars can have uncertain outcomes.

[WyattEarp]

I'm not going to debate with a moron and I don't care much about the future of Putin or Russia. My concern is with the future of Ukraine. In particular, preventing the utter destruction of much of Ukraine. Because that's where things are heading.

Ukrainians are betting on a coup if they can hold out another week or two. An extremely risky strategy. Putin's demands are reasonable (assuming de-militarization only refers to offensive weapons and Ukraine can have unlimited anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles and a neutral party like China, Egypt, Peru, etc brokers and monitors the deal). Everyone who cares about Ukraine should be urging them to accept those demands and bring this war to a speedy conclusion. Putin is not to be messed with, and thinking otherwise is how we got where we are, though he has shown himself to be stupider than most people ever imagined. Stupid, cruel and powerful is actually worse than smart, cruel and powerful, because stupid is less predictable. However, we can still safely predict that Putin can and will destroy Ukraine rather than "lose". Destroyed Ukraine that is not in NATO or EU is victory in his eyes, regardless of what you think.

First, dial down the name calling. Anyone here can have your insulting posts deleted and you can be put on moderation (if you haven't been already). Moderation is not fun. Your posts might not get posted by the moderator until the next day. By then, the conversation might have moved on.

You have been shaping Putin's demands as mostly keeping the Ukraine out of NATO. Is that why he invaded Crimea in 2014? That makes no sense. Invade your neighbor so they don't search for allies. More broadly, Putin doesn't want a functioning democracy that is prospering with EU trade on his border. He wants his former Soviet vassals.

You can call me names and try to dismiss me instead of my arguments. You can say this invasion is all about stopping the Ukraine from joining NATO. In my opinion, this is more about Putin dominating the Ukraine. Perhaps the Belarus model is not such a bad thing. Putin won't crush you in return for total allegiance and loss of sovereignty.

By the way, there will be no victors from this war. This war is particularly bad for everyone, but clearly the Ukrainians.

[Kozerog]

How does Putin get from winning the battle for Ukraine to actually winning the war

I'm not going to debate with a moron and I don't care much about the future of Putin or Russia. My concern is with the future of Ukraine. In particular, preventing the utter destruction of much of Ukraine. Because that's where things are heading.

Ukrainians are betting on a coup if they can hold out another week or two. An extremely risky strategy. Putin's demands are reasonable (assuming de-militarization only refers to offensive weapons and Ukraine can have unlimited anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles and a neutral party like China, Egypt, Peru, etc brokers and monitors the deal). Everyone who cares about Ukraine should be urging them to accept those demands and bring this war to a speedy conclusion. Putin is not to be messed with, and thinking otherwise is how we got where we are, though he has shown himself to be stupider than most people ever imagined. Stupid, cruel and powerful is actually worse than smart, cruel and powerful, because stupid is less predictable. However, we can still safely predict that Putin can and will destroy Ukraine rather than "lose". Destroyed Ukraine that is not in NATO or EU is victory in his eyes, regardless of what you think.

[Mojo Bandit]

Seems to me that recent history is replete with examples of the German "vassal" having its own mind, and taking positions that didn't please the US.

I am agreeing with you but just want to throw some more into the discussion.

Germany / GDP per capita 45,723. 64 USD.

Russia / GDP per capita 10,126. 72 USD.

Gee wiz Beaver, I think I would prefer to live in the German "vassal" than the cronyism capitalist country that ranks 1st in natural resources and 57th in per capita GDP,

Here is an interesting article about comments from someone who actually knew Putin and also knows the mindset of the Russian leadrship structure. He is the former foreign mintister. He says the reason that the Russian army is doing so poorly is that for years people have been embezzling money from the budget. He also says that Putin does not know any of this and probably does not know how poorly the invasion is going because people are afraid to tell him.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...NLZH3aIcC73CuA

[WyattEarp]

I understand you are using "you" rhetorically to mean "any person" but the above paragraph suggests you think that, because I see Putin's / Russia's point of view, I endorse this view or that I'm trying to help Russia and so it's me playing the cards. Which suggests you are a typical stupid American who can only see the world in black and white terms, where Americans are always good guys. This stupidity hasn't gotten the USA into much serious trouble so far, because USA has been such an impregnable fortress until recently, but it will get USA into trouble in the future if we (I'm American) don't reform soon.

Note that, for all the talk of the horror of bombing civilians and especially using nukes on civilians, guess which country is the only country to use nukes and to use them on a civilian target? That's right, USA. We did it because the Japanese leaders were negotiating with Stalin to join in military alliance. USA thus set a precedent that nuclear weapons are okay to use in such cases. Similar case as with Ukraine negotiating to join NATO. Anger at me for telling the truth would be better directed at Zelensky and his extremist handlers for refusing to accept Russia's reasonable demands, same as fault for the Hiroshima bombing goes to the Japanese leaders, plus anyone who supported those leaders..

Besides descending into name-calling, criticizing stupid Americans and just about everyone accept Putin and the Russian military, you have not addressed the main point I made. How does Putin get from winning the battle for Ukraine to actually winning the war. Do you think the Europeans will just say "Okay you win. You get to keep the Ukraine again as one of your chess pieces. " without an extreme cost to the Russians.

Sure, countries enter and continue battles that don't add anything strategically or tactically to their benefit (I. E. USA And Russia in Afghanistan). However, you have not offered a response how Putin comes out a winner in the long-run. Instead, you have offered a dog's breakfast of propaganda. When challenged, you redirect to the United States as the big, bad menace even when we can see the Europeans are as cohesive continent-wide as they have ever been.

You also seem to dive back far into history. Some of it is relevant today. However, I don't see Putin being too effective at cordoning off and isolating Russians. 2022 is not 1948. The world is a lot smaller. You can try to use the Chinese government as an example, but China has been truly an economic miracle. The Chinese dictators have had more legitimacy because of this economic success. It's no accident that China is also integrated with the global economy. Russia will likely suffer in isolation.

[Kozerog]

Your Russian bias comes through clearly in your posts. Perhaps you have Russian ethnicity or perhaps you are just a Russophile. I think you said you were studying Russian. From your posts, I don't think you are learning Russian to apply for a job with the CIA or a European intelligence agency.
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You have alluded to Putin rattling the nuclear saber to have the world take him and his demands seriously. Can this move be any stupider? You can't play this card and expect to win anything.

I understand you are using "you" rhetorically to mean "any person" but the above paragraph suggests you think that, because I see Putin's / Russia's point of view, I endorse this view or that I'm trying to help Russia and so it's me playing the cards. Which suggests you are a typical stupid American who can only see the world in black and white terms, where Americans are always good guys. This stupidity hasn't gotten the USA into much serious trouble so far, because USA has been such an impregnable fortress until recently, but it will get USA into trouble in the future if we (I'm American) don't reform soon.

Note that, for all the talk of the horror of bombing civilians and especially using nukes on civilians, guess which country is the only country to use nukes and to use them on a civilian target? That's right, USA. We did it because the Japanese leaders were negotiating with Stalin to join in military alliance. USA thus set a precedent that nuclear weapons are okay to use in such cases. Similar case as with Ukraine negotiating to join NATO. Anger at me for telling the truth would be better directed at Zelensky and his extremist handlers for refusing to accept Russia's reasonable demands, same as fault for the Hiroshima bombing goes to the Japanese leaders, plus anyone who supported those leaders.

(As an aside, though leaders should be judged on actions, without a lot psycho-analyzing, and this goes for both Putin and Zelensky, it's worrh remembering that the latter is an actor, thus has a natural attraction to drama, publicity, heroic role-playing, etc. If a strong personality, Zekensky can resist that attraction and do what is best for Ukraine. Otherwise, he will do what it takes to keep himself in the public eye, including unnecessarily prolonging the war.)

I studied Russian for use in Ukraine, dumbass. It continues to be the most widely spoken language in Kyiv right up until Oct 2021 when I was last there, and is essentially the only language spoken in Odesa, Dnipro and Kharkiv, among others. Never visited Russia, never plan to.

[Neurosynth]

Once again, winning the peace will be even harder than winning the war, as Mr. Putin is most assuredly going to find out. In the end, he's going to lose both, and go down as just another beady-eyed Russian tyrant. And so far, even winning the battles has not been as easy as he thought it would be. Not good for Russia. Not good for the world.

This is what passes for optimism these days, but even this is overly optimistic I'm afraid.

Talk of chemical weapons.

Talk of biological weapons.

Talk of nuclear weapons.

Talk of military aid being an act of war.

Talk of "escalate to de-escalate. ".

Talk of false flag operations.

Talk of ethnic cleansing.

Talk of tactical nuclear weapons under field generals.

So many ways to go wrong. Any one of which can trigger the end.