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04-10-22 08:06 #435
Posts: 2002Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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04-10-22 02:27 #434
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04-10-22 02:20 #433
Posts: 516The reason the elites matter
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
To my mind there are roughly three types of oligarchs. First, those who are already locked into Russia by existing sanctions. That group, as least publicly, are more likely to double down in their support of Putin because their fates are linked with his. They don't have any easy exit route. Second, those who already lived abroad some or most of the time, perhaps with dual-citizenship status. One notable example is Roman Abramovich who, even though (IIRC) he's subject to some sanctions, still had a relatively easy exit route. Third, those who are in between, like Prokhorov. He had money and status enough to allow him to ride out the storm in Russia, but chose to leave and needed to create an exit strategy to do so.
It's that third group that interests me most. How many more will abandon ship and how will that affect the mindset of other elites?
Interesting times! Stay tuned.
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04-10-22 01:58 #432
Posts: 516Dancing around the facts doesn't change them
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
What I do care about is being factually accurate. If someone is a citizen (sole or dual), that's a factual statement of legal status. And that legal status entitles them to carry the passport of their country (ies) of citizenship.
As a factual matter, Prokhorov was NOT a citizen of Israel until he 1) Arrived; 2) Applied; 3) Had his application approved.
At any point in that process, Israel retained the right to decline approval. Although declination was unlikely, there is still a case-by-case review and certification that needs to happen. Until ALL the requirements were met, and approval granted, Prokhorov was not an Israeli citizen.
Those are the plain facts, whether you choose to accept them or not, that's entirely up to you.
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04-10-22 01:43 #431
Posts: 516Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
https://www.dw.com/en/putin-tactics-...ble/a-61363334
"It's effectively just artificially supporting the ruble while appearing to be forcing buyers in hostile countries into utilizing the ruble currency," Erlam said. "It's like the measures that have been imposed on Gazprombank and others already in terms of forcing them to convert 80% of their currency payments into rubles. This further supports those types of desperate measures".
"Ruble trading volumes have dried up due to sanctions and many brokers and speculators remain wary of dealing in the currency. This means that the ruble's current market price is being determined by far fewer transactions than usual".
Also, probably the most competent govt apparatchik is the Central Bank governor, Elvira Nabiullina. So what does it say about the Russian economic situation that she wants to resign but Putin won't let her? If she had the same resources as Chubais and Prokhorov, I'm guessing she'd already be gone.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...r-putin-2022-3
"state of hopelessness" taking root among Russian central bank employees who fear being cut off from the outside world".
About Putin's paper-tiger army, every analyst who isn't a pro-Russia shill (like you) recognizes that they suffered a humiliating defeat in their attempt to seize Kyiv. They retreated so rapidly they had to abandon any equipment that might slow them down. Any "after the fact" explanation that they weren't serious about taking Kyiv is transparent and laughable bullshit.
I have no idea how the battle for the East and South will turn out, but Putin has already lost because the Zelensky govt is still in place and, after raising expectations about conquering (and denazifying) ALL of Ukraine, he couldn't deliver. So now he's desperately trying to find something, ANYTHING, he can spin as a victory. And he'll need to figure out what how to explain to tens of thousands of Russian widows, orphans, and bereaved parents, that the deaths of their loved ones was worth it. For what, the Donbass (assuming Putin can even pull that off)? Give me a fucking break!
Oh, and about his constant WW-III threats, his conventional forces are a total joke, so all he can do is wave the nuke banner. Even assuming he's insane and suicidal, I've read a few articles about the layers of military bureaucracy that would be involved. So it's equally likely that someone in the chain would say "nyet" just like some of Russia's front-line soldiers have already terminated their own officers.
Putin has completely miscalculated and followed that miscalculation with abject failure. As a result he's united the West beyond anyone's wildest imagination. Poland, the Baltics, and soon very likely Finland and Sweden will be NATO gatekeepers on his doorstep. And Russia's future is already circling the drain. The big question now is whether anyone is able to deliver a Stalinesque retirement to Putin before the country turns into a clone of North Korea.
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04-09-22 15:19 #430
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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04-09-22 13:57 #429
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
As a man who manipulated the system for his gain after the fall of the Soviet Union, I'm don't think Prokhorov deserves much of our consideration. Besides many of these oligarchs seem to have been more like globe-trotting world citizens than Russian citizens.
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04-09-22 09:47 #428
Posts: 1056New World Order
The rouble is strong, the Russian Army is strong and the rats remain in Mariupol where Russian and Chechen Special Forces have them by their balls.
If Poland and Finland wants World War Three, bring it on. As long as American cities are also repeatedly nuked.
Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
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04-09-22 04:16 #427
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
You lost last time.
You will lose again.
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04-09-22 03:44 #426
Posts: 516Per the article, Prokhorov wasn't a dual Russia-Israel citizen
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
That puts him in a different category from Russian oligarchs who already had Israeli citizenship like, IIRC, Roman Abramovich. That's because someone with pre-existing dual-citizenship already had an escape door available, but Prokhorov abandoned Russia without having that in place.
So, while I'm sure he had people working behind the scenes to grease the skids, there was still some degree of risk that things could go wrong. So that brings me back to my original point, which is that the easiest path would have been to stay in Russia. As an oligarch he had all the privileges and advantages available to the elite.
So why take on the risk of leaving? Any amount of risk, large or small, is still greater than staying put. It's my guess that he looked at Russia's bleak future and decided it was worth the risk to jump ship when the opportunity presented itself.
The elites don't give a shit about what regular people do, but they watch each other like a hawk. With Chubais leaving, and now Prokhorov, others are probably asking themselves whether they should also head for the exits.
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04-08-22 19:28 #425
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
With his dual passport dusted off, this rat is going to his home country.
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04-08-22 15:53 #424
Posts: 516Good Shit (I mean Ship) Russia is up the creek without a paddle
Originally Posted by PedroMorales [View Original Post]
Every passing day the tide turns further against Russia. They're in a constant state of loss: whether it be territory, or status, or support, etc. Even Kazakhstan is distancing itself, which is a shocker since Putin just bailed out the Kazakh leader not long ago. That's gratitude for you, eh?
Oh, and as I predicted, Finland is reportedly submitting their NATO application by April 14th. Which means Putin will have yet another member of NATO sitting on his border. And Poland is buying about $5 billion worth of US (Abrams) tanks and is offering to host NATO nukes.
Everywhere you look, assuming one isn't deluded enough to believe one's own propaganda, Putin is losing ground. Russia is totally fucked and has no future. When that reality dawns on the people, when it can't be hidden any longer and the curtain is pulled back, it's not going to be good for anyone in the Russian leadership, especially Putin.
Buh-bye, tovarisch!
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04-07-22 14:17 #423
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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04-07-22 04:47 #422
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
Oh, wait, except in Ukraine where the Jews are the fascists.
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04-07-22 03:49 #421
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]