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  1. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/new...ment-shortage/

    https://www.securitylab.ru/news/530708.php (article is in Russian but will automatically translate if using Chrome browser).

    https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/e...ve-in-a-month/

    Notice that the reported numbers (170,000 estimated) come from Russian sources. And, even though those sources are trying to put a positive spin on things (it's only temporary), you can read between the lines and see the desperation.
    I saw a quote of 700,000 people from a reliable source today (Mark Feygin, a human rights activist) with some sources putting it over 1 million. In any case, this number can only be compared with the exodus after the 1917 revolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    The ruble is rubble. The exchange rate is meaningless when you consider: 1) The manipulation being practiced by the Russian Central bank, and; 2) The fact that sanctions drastically limit what Russia can buy.
    Yep. A friend in Russia laughed at me when I asked if he could buy dollars at the official rate. He can't, it's all for a show. You can only get cash if you had a dollar account at a Russian bank before March 9, and there are still lots of restrictions. Buying black market can get you a rate over 130 to $ (and up to 7 years of hard labor if you get caught).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    I don't know what your problems with Jews are.
    I can help you with that, since I've had a displeasure of reading Golhinho's takes on Jews before. He's simply a rabid anti-Semite. Easy-peasy.

  2. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    As a factual matter, Prokhorov was NOT a citizen of Israel until he 1) Arrived; 2) Applied; 3) Had his application approved.

    At any point in that process, Israel retained the right to decline approval. Although declination was unlikely, there is still a case-by-case review and certification that needs to happen. Until ALL the requirements were met, and approval granted, Prokhorov was not an Israeli citi.
    Show up, announce you want citizenship and voila -- "approved!" Just like it works everywhere else in the world. And for all other peoples.

  3. #433

    The reason the elites matter

    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    I would put Chubais and Prokhorov in different categories. I sense Putin's tolerance for billionaire oligarchs is waning. It doesn't sound like Putin needs them anymore.

    As a man who manipulated the system for his gain after the fall of the Soviet Union, I'm don't think Prokhorov deserves much of our consideration. Besides many of these oligarchs seem to have been more like globe-trotting world citizens than Russian citizens.
    There are undoubtedly many differences between Chubais and Prokhorov. My main reason for discussing them is because they provide a window into what might be going on in elite circles. I agree that Putin probably needs oligarchs less than they need him, but that doesn't mean they don't (some of them, at least) still have a level of influence and power. If, for example, Putin were to be ousted, it's likely someone from elite circles would replace him.

    To my mind there are roughly three types of oligarchs. First, those who are already locked into Russia by existing sanctions. That group, as least publicly, are more likely to double down in their support of Putin because their fates are linked with his. They don't have any easy exit route. Second, those who already lived abroad some or most of the time, perhaps with dual-citizenship status. One notable example is Roman Abramovich who, even though (IIRC) he's subject to some sanctions, still had a relatively easy exit route. Third, those who are in between, like Prokhorov. He had money and status enough to allow him to ride out the storm in Russia, but chose to leave and needed to create an exit strategy to do so.

    It's that third group that interests me most. How many more will abandon ship and how will that affect the mindset of other elites?

    Interesting times! Stay tuned.

  4. #432

    Dancing around the facts doesn't change them

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    Pre-existing. "Citizen" of the ethno-religious state by birthright.
    I don't know what your problems with Jews are, and I frankly couldn't care less.

    What I do care about is being factually accurate. If someone is a citizen (sole or dual), that's a factual statement of legal status. And that legal status entitles them to carry the passport of their country (ies) of citizenship.

    As a factual matter, Prokhorov was NOT a citizen of Israel until he 1) Arrived; 2) Applied; 3) Had his application approved.

    At any point in that process, Israel retained the right to decline approval. Although declination was unlikely, there is still a case-by-case review and certification that needs to happen. Until ALL the requirements were met, and approval granted, Prokhorov was not an Israeli citizen.

    Those are the plain facts, whether you choose to accept them or not, that's entirely up to you.

  5. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by PedroMorales  [View Original Post]
    I love licking Putin's bunghole!
    The ruble is rubble. The exchange rate is meaningless when you consider: 1) The manipulation being practiced by the Russian Central bank, and; 2) The fact that sanctions drastically limit what Russia can buy.

    https://www.dw.com/en/putin-tactics-...ble/a-61363334

    "It's effectively just artificially supporting the ruble while appearing to be forcing buyers in hostile countries into utilizing the ruble currency," Erlam said. "It's like the measures that have been imposed on Gazprombank and others already in terms of forcing them to convert 80% of their currency payments into rubles. This further supports those types of desperate measures".

    "Ruble trading volumes have dried up due to sanctions and many brokers and speculators remain wary of dealing in the currency. This means that the ruble's current market price is being determined by far fewer transactions than usual".

    Also, probably the most competent govt apparatchik is the Central Bank governor, Elvira Nabiullina. So what does it say about the Russian economic situation that she wants to resign but Putin won't let her? If she had the same resources as Chubais and Prokhorov, I'm guessing she'd already be gone.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...r-putin-2022-3

    "state of hopelessness" taking root among Russian central bank employees who fear being cut off from the outside world".

    About Putin's paper-tiger army, every analyst who isn't a pro-Russia shill (like you) recognizes that they suffered a humiliating defeat in their attempt to seize Kyiv. They retreated so rapidly they had to abandon any equipment that might slow them down. Any "after the fact" explanation that they weren't serious about taking Kyiv is transparent and laughable bullshit.

    I have no idea how the battle for the East and South will turn out, but Putin has already lost because the Zelensky govt is still in place and, after raising expectations about conquering (and denazifying) ALL of Ukraine, he couldn't deliver. So now he's desperately trying to find something, ANYTHING, he can spin as a victory. And he'll need to figure out what how to explain to tens of thousands of Russian widows, orphans, and bereaved parents, that the deaths of their loved ones was worth it. For what, the Donbass (assuming Putin can even pull that off)? Give me a fucking break!

    Oh, and about his constant WW-III threats, his conventional forces are a total joke, so all he can do is wave the nuke banner. Even assuming he's insane and suicidal, I've read a few articles about the layers of military bureaucracy that would be involved. So it's equally likely that someone in the chain would say "nyet" just like some of Russia's front-line soldiers have already terminated their own officers.

    Putin has completely miscalculated and followed that miscalculation with abject failure. As a result he's united the West beyond anyone's wildest imagination. Poland, the Baltics, and soon very likely Finland and Sweden will be NATO gatekeepers on his doorstep. And Russia's future is already circling the drain. The big question now is whether anyone is able to deliver a Stalinesque retirement to Putin before the country turns into a clone of North Korea.

  6. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    The Jpost article mentioned that he applied for citizenship upon arrival and his application was reviewed and approved under the "Right of Return" laws pertaining to Jews born outside Israel.

    That puts him in a different category from Russian oligarchs who already had Israeli citizenship like, IIRC, Roman Abramovich. That's because
    Pre-existing. "Citizen" of the ethno-religious state by birthright.

  7. #429
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    .......So that brings me back to my original point, which is that the easiest path would have been to stay in Russia. As an oligarch he had all the privileges and advantages available to the elite.

    So why take on the risk of leaving? Any amount of risk, large or small, is still greater than staying put. It's my guess that he looked at Russia's bleak future and decided it was worth the risk to jump ship when the opportunity presented itself.

    The elites don't give a shit about what regular people do, but they watch each other like a hawk. With Chubais leaving, and now Prokhorov, others are probably asking themselves whether they should also head for the exits.
    I would put Chubais and Prokhorov in different categories. I sense Putin's tolerance for billionaire oligarchs is waning. It doesn't sound like Putin needs them anymore.

    As a man who manipulated the system for his gain after the fall of the Soviet Union, I'm don't think Prokhorov deserves much of our consideration. Besides many of these oligarchs seem to have been more like globe-trotting world citizens than Russian citizens.

  8. #428

    New World Order

    The rouble is strong, the Russian Army is strong and the rats remain in Mariupol where Russian and Chechen Special Forces have them by their balls.

    If Poland and Finland wants World War Three, bring it on. As long as American cities are also repeatedly nuked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    Dumb American bs

  9. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    Russian? His "home country"? LOL.

    With his dual passport dusted off, this rat is going to his home country.
    I get it. You hate Jews.

    You lost last time.

    You will lose again.

  10. #426

    Per the article, Prokhorov wasn't a dual Russia-Israel citizen

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    Russian? His "home country"? LOL.

    With his dual passport dusted off, this rat is going to his home country.
    The Jpost article mentioned that he applied for citizenship upon arrival and his application was reviewed and approved under the "Right of Return" laws pertaining to Jews born outside Israel.

    That puts him in a different category from Russian oligarchs who already had Israeli citizenship like, IIRC, Roman Abramovich. That's because someone with pre-existing dual-citizenship already had an escape door available, but Prokhorov abandoned Russia without having that in place.

    So, while I'm sure he had people working behind the scenes to grease the skids, there was still some degree of risk that things could go wrong. So that brings me back to my original point, which is that the easiest path would have been to stay in Russia. As an oligarch he had all the privileges and advantages available to the elite.

    So why take on the risk of leaving? Any amount of risk, large or small, is still greater than staying put. It's my guess that he looked at Russia's bleak future and decided it was worth the risk to jump ship when the opportunity presented itself.

    The elites don't give a shit about what regular people do, but they watch each other like a hawk. With Chubais leaving, and now Prokhorov, others are probably asking themselves whether they should also head for the exits.

  11. #425
    Quote Originally Posted by Jmsuttr  [View Original Post]
    Mikhail Prokhorov, former owner of the NBA's Brooklyn Nets, has fled to Israel and applied for Israeli citizenship.

    Q: Why would a rich Russian oligarch abandon his home country?.
    Russian? His "home country"? LOL.

    With his dual passport dusted off, this rat is going to his home country.

  12. #424

    Good Shit (I mean Ship) Russia is up the creek without a paddle

    Quote Originally Posted by PedroMorales  [View Original Post]
    The current government is cleaning up the oligarch issue in Russia and also in Ukraine, where Clown President is the world's richest comedian, with over $1.3 billion in foreign banks.

    Russia does not need American comments on its system of governance.

    America does not support or export democracy. That is a self serving fallacy.

    America has no values, let alone democratic values.
    And sinking fast, because poor Putin and his pussilanimous posse of pipsqueaks have collectively pulled the plug!

    Every passing day the tide turns further against Russia. They're in a constant state of loss: whether it be territory, or status, or support, etc. Even Kazakhstan is distancing itself, which is a shocker since Putin just bailed out the Kazakh leader not long ago. That's gratitude for you, eh?

    Oh, and as I predicted, Finland is reportedly submitting their NATO application by April 14th. Which means Putin will have yet another member of NATO sitting on his border. And Poland is buying about $5 billion worth of US (Abrams) tanks and is offering to host NATO nukes.

    Everywhere you look, assuming one isn't deluded enough to believe one's own propaganda, Putin is losing ground. Russia is totally fucked and has no future. When that reality dawns on the people, when it can't be hidden any longer and the curtain is pulled back, it's not going to be good for anyone in the Russian leadership, especially Putin.

    Buh-bye, tovarisch!

  13. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    Hmm Israeli dogs. That's an odd reference in a post about the Ukraine war. The NATO countries referenced makes sense. Israel though?
    Not at all an odd reference in context of the Khazarian Homeland. Ample evidence and likely more forthcoming of the Ashkenazim insinuating themselves into this conflict.

  14. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    It's always the same story with fascists. Blame the Jews.
    It's always the same story with Jews. Blame the fascists.

    Oh, wait, except in Ukraine where the Jews are the fascists.

  15. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    Hmm Israeli dogs. That's an odd reference in a post about the Ukraine war. The NATO countries referenced makes sense. Israel though?
    It's always the same story with fascists. Blame the Jews.

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