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04-25-22 05:59 #22206
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Guys,
You have to really question your source of news! On another forum that I am part of. I spoke to a member who was sharing negative news on Ukraine, he confessed that he was posting bad news ago Ukraine so that "he could discourage other foreigners from going to the country and he could have the best choice of women at the best price when he visited the country."
Anyone can see that prices are going to very cheap after the war and that women will be looking for men to provide for them. The demand for men with money to spend is going to be extremely high. Just watch out for people spreading bad news about why one shouldn't visit Ukraine.
Do you really think Ukrainian women will hate foreigners coming to their country after war? Of course not. They will look forward to it, especially those coming to spend money.
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04-25-22 03:18 #22205
Posts: 718Originally Posted by HulaHoops [View Original Post]
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04-24-22 23:05 #22204
Posts: 516Note of caution: All Westerners may not be viewed equally
Originally Posted by HulaHoops [View Original Post]
Consider that, in the minds of many, Ukraine is fighting against Putin on behalf of the West, and especially on behalf of Europe. I'm sure there will be a generally grateful attitude, but I don't think Ukraine will view Western weapons or aid as charity. Rather, and rightfully so (IMO), they'll see it as the price that had to be paid to fight Russian aggression. And they'll point out that Russia's threats against Moldova, the Baltics, the Nordics, and elsewhere, are evidence that Putin was never going to be satisfied with Ukraine only. Zelensky has been making this point on a regular basis and I expect he'll keep doing so.
One final group will be countries and their citizens viewed least favorably, and perhaps even with anger and overt hostility. Those will be countries viewed as either barely lifting a finger to help, being indifferent to Ukraine's fate, or perhaps even being actively sympathetic to Putin. That list will likely include countries like Serbia, Hungary, and Germany (within Europe) and countries like China (outside of Europe).
Obviously there will be different feelings depending on the individual, the region or city, and even those could change over time. My only point is that these are considerations that could realistically come into play and that anyone planning a post-war visit would be prudent to keep them in mind.
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04-24-22 09:55 #22203
Posts: 43Further reply
In fact I would say that once the war is over, westerners are going to be extremely highly valued in comparison to the local men.
As a man in my 60's, all the women I met (a lot of these women are in their 20's) and know from before are hounding me to let them know when I am arriving back in Kyiv. There was never this much interest in me before the war. I know once I go back to Kyiv when the war is over, it'll be a very enjoyable time for me.
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04-24-22 09:41 #22202
Posts: 43In summary
Ukraine after the war, will be a very attractive destination for tourists as I am sure it will be cheap and they will be extremely welcoming to western visitors who take an interest in their country.
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04-24-22 09:39 #22201
Posts: 43Reply
I'm in Berlin now and I was able to reflect on my time in Kyiv.
There really was no hostility, people were just scared and unsure what was going to happen if I am honest. They were just a lot of scared people. Of course during war, the native population is more important than foreigners. I stayed in touch with a lot of the men and women I met during my time in Kyiv and they are really looking forward and inviting me to come back when the war is over.
Now with seeing all that the west has done to help Ukraine and punish Russia. I would say Ukrainian people are looking forward to the war being over and foreigners coming to visit and help out Ukraine. Once the war is over, Ukraine will be one of the best places to visit for foreigners and I am sure everything will be cheap.
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04-22-22 12:52 #22200
Posts: 242I have misgivings about posting this, because it's hearsay, but I've been reading reports in other forums about hostile attitudes towards foreigners in Kyiv recently, worse in April than in March. Confirms what Hulahoops reports. Some of these people reporting hostility never left Kyiv, others recently returned to check on their apartments. Other reports say attitudes same as ever. Something to think about. If you have a particular girl you want to see, my advice is go to Chisinau, Moldova and have her take the bus there, versus you taking the bus to Kyiv. That's my plan for this summer.
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04-17-22 15:46 #22199
Posts: 680Pics?
Originally Posted by HulaHoops [View Original Post]
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04-09-22 15:29 #22198
Posts: 48Originally Posted by LuckyNuts [View Original Post]
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04-03-22 16:00 #22197
Posts: 625Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
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04-03-22 14:55 #22196
Posts: 558Gia
I noticed that Escort. VC has been back up since March 23 when they updated the "News" section.
You will also see that many of the girls are now working at other European countries under Escort. VC banner.
One even moved to Thailand and another to Crimea.
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03-17-22 22:03 #22195
Posts: 2374Last time in Ukraine for me was 2013. Already there were some bad signs. On the girl front, there were lip and boob implants, or whatever they are, botux, and changed attitude from visits going back a decade. I can't be the only one who noticed this. On the same summer trip, I went down to Odessa, and it happened to be on Ukraine Independence Day. On the edge of a big Park, there was a parade, actually it was a procession of military vehicles -- tanks and various types of similar. They went around in front of the crowd, then back behind a big central building, and came around again over and over. Maybe 20 vehicles, but it created the illusion it was an entire army. The crowd was enthusiastic, especially the kids. When it was over, the vehicles stopped, the troops got out and let the kids in -- into the tanks, into everything. They couldn't be held back and wanted to touch everything. Can't blame them, might have done the same thing at that age if given the chance, only the chance wasn't there. I watched these kids and thought what are they thinking letting them inside tanks and holding the guns like that. Well, here it is ten years' later and they get to play for real.
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03-17-22 21:19 #22194
Posts: 43Reply
I'm not a fraud. I had nothing remarkable to post or report, I simply read posts and visited different places. I am sure they are plenty of other lurkers in the forum.
We came here as we knew that foreigners were leaving Ukraine. We also assumed that it would be easier to meet women. We didn't expect Putin to invade and I don't think anyone thought he would actually go through with it.
Again, if you don't believe me that's up to you. I have no motivation to mislead or lie to others. We were assaulted. Now will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get assaulted? Of course not.
However from what I have observed, there is more of a negative attitude towards obvious foreigners here.
Everything I am posting is just my opinion from what me and my group have experienced. I am not writing this as some authority. I am just a single monger. If someone else comes to Ukraine and doesn't agree with what I posted, that's fine. There's no argument, it is just two different sides. The more information on a place, the better in my opinion.
When the war finishes and other mongers come to Ukraine. I hope they will contribute and write about their experiences on the attitudes of Ukrainians towards foreigners.
As for me being a sleeper account created by Russian trolls. OK. As I have stated repeatedly, if you don't believe me that's fine. I have no reason to lie or mislead anyone.
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03-17-22 20:06 #22193
Posts: 516Fortress or Siege Mentality
Originally Posted by Sorbonne [View Original Post]
The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.
Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.
It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.
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03-17-22 19:41 #22192
Posts: 55LOL crippling sanctions
Originally Posted by TheCane [View Original Post]