Stupid Shit in Bogota

[Elvis 2008]

You are aware that SARS CoV isn't the same virus as SARS-CoV-2 and that the article you quote was published in 2005?

I'm sure with your extensive knowledge of virology you can refute the following article (I sure as hell can't).

https://academic.oup.com/jmcb/article/13/3/175/6163292

LOL. Really that is what you are worried about? Are you a Democrat? Are you trying to blow smoke after Biden said you could not get Covid if you were vaccinated and after saying that, he got it? How many other officials said the same thing Biden did? You go to a post from 14 months ago?

Not that it matters anymore, but HCQ was a cocktail of three drugs. The combination of drugs was to attack viral replication, prevent inflammation, and prevent blood clots. I really could care less what a study of HCQ only showed.

The issue at hand was whether there was any rationale to take HCQ back then and the answer was yes there was a rationale; it may not have worked, but there was evidence it might work.

Still, it is no surprise that some dumb Dem leaves Biden and his health advisers alone and tries to take piece out of me. LOL. It is almost someone I put on ignore is taking a shot.

[Capt Spaz]

OMG. Are you fucking kidding me? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/.

Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture.

You are aware that SARS CoV isn't the same virus as SARS-CoV-2 and that the article you quote was published in 2005?

I'm sure with your extensive knowledge of virology you can refute the following article (I sure as hell can't).

https://academic.oup.com/jmcb/article/13/3/175/6163292

[JjBee62]

This message Edited to Lose All Meaning and Imnpact-- So Friggen Stupid.

Other than the mention that Covid tests are no longer required to return to the US, nothing more is needed. What you, I, or anyone else thinks about the requirement, now gone, has no effect on the requirement, or lack thereof.

Let me make it simple. Let's say Club XYZ in Santa Fe has a 10 K entrance fee. Some people don't want to pay the fee. Some people don't mind paying the fee. Some people think the fee is stupid. Some people think the fee is a good idea. But none of that matters. If you want to get into the club you need to pay the fee. If they get rid of the fee, you don't have to pay it. Standing in the street arguing with everyone about the fee, after it's been removed doesn't accomplish anything.

[Woodman09]

Hopefully the world has learned not to listen to the working girls of BigPharma next time a BullShit Flu-Cold surfaces.

This message Edited to Lose All Meaning and Imnpact-- So Friggen Stupid.

[Woodman09]

Hopefully the world has learned not to listen to the working girls of BigPharma next time a BullShit Flu-Cold surfaces.

[JjBee62]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04

In a drink, a swipe of your nose or inhale it it's all bad.

Watch it. If you haven't realized the guy has almost no idea what he's talking about by the 1:30 mark, you should be terrified (and only allowed to use the scissors with the round tips. No sharp objects for you).

In a drink is correct, the rest is garbage. Inhaling it would require inhaling somewhere around 20-24 milligrams to have any chance to cause extreme intoxication. You have to figure that almost none of it is going to be inhaled by the victim. Try it sometime with some baby powder. The stuff goes everywhere. You're going to need a shitload of Scopolamine and some mighty powerful lungs, and hope the victim doesn't sneeze it back in your face.

A swipe of your nose? It takes 8 hours for enough Scopolamine in a transdermal patch to absorb through your skin to produce the desired effects, relief from motion sickness. If you let someone rub powdered Scopolamine over your entire body, if you don't sweat, you might absorb enough to lose consciousness in several hours. If you decide to spend several hours naked on the Transmilenio, don't let people rub Scopolamine all over your body.

You should also avoid letting people stick things up your nose and don't drink anything offered you be a stranger on the bus. As bumpy and jerky as the busses are, you'll spill it all over you.

Scopolamine is a problem. It's a problem when you give someone access to put some in your drink. To the best of my knowledge there's not one credible first hand report of any Scopolamine poisoning by any other method.

Ask a doctor. Look up the pharmacology on Scopolamine.

Instead of worrying about what you see on YouTube (produced by idiots, enjoyed by idiots), worry about protecting yourself from real threats.

[JjBee62]

But my novia and her family travel the tramsmilenio everyday for hours at a time and a friend of her mom told her to be careful because it happened to someone in her car. Obviously if YOU didn't hear of it, then it could not happen. This may come as a surprise to you genius but the handful of times you have traveled mass transit in Bogota, on your handful of trips to Colombia and what you found on google or social media does not make you more informed than the the working class in Bogota who EXPERIENCE LT everyday. It's guys like you, who don't have a life that wants to start flame wars. Accept the info or don't and go on, this may come to you as a surprise but your not that important. P.S.: your back on ignore.

I'm sorry you're offended because I asked a question. It was a legitimate question. Is there a reliable source for this? You could have said "no. A friend of the mom of a girlfriend had it happen to someone in her car," which is not a reliable source. If you don't believe me, try it with the police. Tell them your girlfriend's mom has a friend who claims she witnessed a crime.

Please explain the crime. Scopolamine is, what it is. Normal dosages, in pill form, take about 20 minutes to take effect. Placing Scopolamine in alcohol is effective, because the target is already impaired and it gives the criminals time to wait for full effect, and because they can control the dosage.

When I'm in Bogota I use the Transmilenio, almost every time. I've never seen anything, although there's probably pickpockets. If your girlfriend's mother's friend saw this happen, what, in her words happened? Why didn't she and the other passengers say or do something? How did they know Scopolamine was used?

I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm asking questions. Knowing what I know, it makes no sense. I can see no way to make it work with someone posing as a cleaner on a bus. I can see of no way to make it work, without risking an insignificant dose, or through force, administering a lethal dose.

If it offends you that I'm asking questions, the problem is not with me. I've used no insults nor said anything impugning you. I want to know whether this is another urban legend, or a valid issue. Why get angry at the questions? Why not answer the questions?

You've created more questions, but I'll let them slide. I'll just add a bit to your rather incredible warning:

If you ride the Transmilenio, and not many of you do, if someone is pretending to clean the bus, stay away. Bus cleaning and disinfecting isn't done on the routes. It's done when the bus is out of service.

If you let someone pretending to clean the bus approach you and they spray you in the face. Don't open your mouth and let them spray you several more times. Stand up and make some noise. Get people's attention. Move towards the front of the bus yelling "ladron" or "ladrones" if there are more than one.

I will contest one thing, that I don't know more than the people who ride the Transmilenio everyday. For starters, your girlfriend and her entire family spend hours on the Transmilenio everyday and they didn't know, until someone told them, that someone got drugged with Scopolamine. Apparently, the 1. 2 million who use the Transmilenio everyday didn't know that either. If, as you seem to suggest this is a significant problem, wouldn't someone have reported it to the police? Wouldn't the drivers notice? The only place where people repeatedly get sprayed in the face, without reacting is bukkake porn. The thing I know is that method of administering Scopolamine has a low chance of success.

I'm mortified that you said "your not that important. P.S. : your back on ignore. " I never realized I was on ignore before and the use of "your" in place of "you're" is causing me a great deal of distress.

If you have the equipment, it might be a good idea to check your blood pressure.

[LatinaLover#1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ8PWYnu04

In a drink, a swipe of your nose or inhale it it's all bad.

[LatinaLover#1]

Do you have a reliable source for this, or are you just going off of the story reported last month of the 22 year old Colombian who got beaten and robbed and says he doesn't remember anything? Because there are a whole bunch of problems with that story.

Scopolamine comes as either a transdermal patch, or as a pill, not as an aerosol. While you could grind pills into a fine powder and dissolve the powder in water, I'm assuming that the effectiveness of the drug would degrade over time. Ask a chemist.

Spraying someone in the face would probably work, but you would need to spray them quite a bit. It's not magic. Enough of the drug has to get into the bloodstream to make a person unconscious, and I think after getting sprayed in the face once, most people would do something to prevent the next 10-15 sprays.

The effects of Scopolamine are somewhat similar to being blackout drunk. You reach a point where your body is still functioning, but your brain is no longer aware. From that point on you have no memory of events. While there might be some initial confusion about what happened between first ingesting the drug and total blackout, memory of the period before are not altered. The victim would certainly recall someone spraying them in the face a bunch of times.

Then there's the Transmilenio. There are cameras everywhere. I think by now footage of the attack would have been found. There are almost always other passengers. I've also never seen anyone cleaning a bus while in service. What would be the point?

Also consider the Transmilenio passengers. During the morning and evening rush there are a fair number of middle class passengers, but late at night, most of the passengers aren't worth robbing.

Why take the victim away from the Transmilenio and beat the crap out of him? Assuming you've managed to drug him, and get enough in his system to knock him out in under 5 minutes (between Calle 80 and 68), which would be a lethal dose, empty his pockets and walk away. Dragging him through a station with more cameras and possibly police just increases your risk. Why beat him up? If you've figured out how to spray someone in the face 15 times without them noticing, with a lethal dose which leaves no aftereffects, you've got to be smart enough not to beat up your victims. There's no profit in it.

In the only mention I've found of Scopolamine and the Transmilenio, I have an alternative possibility. Young guy on the way home decides to buy some weed. Pulls 20 k from the ATM and approaches some likely looking people. They either beat him up and rob him, or rob him and beat him up when they find he's only got 20 k. He can't tell daddy he got beat and robbed buying weed, so he must have been drugged on the Transmilenio.

As for people posing as cleaners and spraying people in the face, I see no way that could be made to work and on the Transmilenio there's no profit in it. That's why the thieves try to target people on Tinder, they can be certain the victim has cash.

But my novia and her family travel the tramsmilenio everyday for hours at a time and a friend of her mom told her to be careful because it happened to someone in her car. Obviously if YOU didn't hear of it, then it could not happen. This may come as a surprise to you genius but the handful of times you have traveled mass transit in Bogota, on your handful of trips to Colombia and what you found on google or social media does not make you more informed than the the working class in Bogota who EXPERIENCE LT everyday. It's guys like you, who don't have a life that wants to start flame wars. Accept the info or don't and go on, this may come to you as a surprise but your not that important. P.S.: your back on ignore.

[JjBee62]

Scopolamine, is always a danger and has been for years but now. They are posing a cleaners on the Transmillanio and busses. They act like they are cleaning but instead of spraying disinfectant they spray Scopolamine at you instead of cleaner on the seats and windows. Just be aware.

Do you have a reliable source for this, or are you just going off of the story reported last month of the 22 year old Colombian who got beaten and robbed and says he doesn't remember anything? Because there are a whole bunch of problems with that story.

Scopolamine comes as either a transdermal patch, or as a pill, not as an aerosol. While you could grind pills into a fine powder and dissolve the powder in water, I'm assuming that the effectiveness of the drug would degrade over time. Ask a chemist.

Spraying someone in the face would probably work, but you would need to spray them quite a bit. It's not magic. Enough of the drug has to get into the bloodstream to make a person unconscious, and I think after getting sprayed in the face once, most people would do something to prevent the next 10-15 sprays.

The effects of Scopolamine are somewhat similar to being blackout drunk. You reach a point where your body is still functioning, but your brain is no longer aware. From that point on you have no memory of events. While there might be some initial confusion about what happened between first ingesting the drug and total blackout, memory of the period before are not altered. The victim would certainly recall someone spraying them in the face a bunch of times.

Then there's the Transmilenio. There are cameras everywhere. I think by now footage of the attack would have been found. There are almost always other passengers. I've also never seen anyone cleaning a bus while in service. What would be the point?

Also consider the Transmilenio passengers. During the morning and evening rush there are a fair number of middle class passengers, but late at night, most of the passengers aren't worth robbing.

Why take the victim away from the Transmilenio and beat the crap out of him? Assuming you've managed to drug him, and get enough in his system to knock him out in under 5 minutes (between Calle 80 and 68), which would be a lethal dose, empty his pockets and walk away. Dragging him through a station with more cameras and possibly police just increases your risk. Why beat him up? If you've figured out how to spray someone in the face 15 times without them noticing, with a lethal dose which leaves no aftereffects, you've got to be smart enough not to beat up your victims. There's no profit in it.

In the only mention I've found of Scopolamine and the Transmilenio, I have an alternative possibility. Young guy on the way home decides to buy some weed. Pulls 20 k from the ATM and approaches some likely looking people. They either beat him up and rob him, or rob him and beat him up when they find he's only got 20 k. He can't tell daddy he got beat and robbed buying weed, so he must have been drugged on the Transmilenio.

As for people posing as cleaners and spraying people in the face, I see no way that could be made to work and on the Transmilenio there's no profit in it. That's why the thieves try to target people on Tinder, they can be certain the victim has cash.

[LatinaLover#1]

Scopolamine, is always a danger and has been for years but now. They are posing a cleaners on the Transmillanio and busses. They act like they are cleaning but instead of spraying disinfectant they spray Scopolamine at you instead of cleaner on the seats and windows. Just be aware.

[LatinaLover#1]

While even today Uber is my go to but Uber has their own problems, and the recent taxi increase has made them more expensive for the local citizens of Bogota. Indriver is quickly becoming the go to ride share. It's more of a bid and ask system and you pay cash, no cards. You would be surprised by how many of these girls don't have a credit card or even a bank account.

[Mr Enternational]

You're looking at things through a gringo lens, but this system isn't run the same. You're not in Kansas anymore.

Exactly what the problem is. He thinks the way things work in the USA apply everywhere. Refuses to accept what other KNOW in lieu of what he THINKS. Learn about how business works in other countries before you go spouting off what you think you know. I have a whole masters degree in this particular field, but this guy that has been somewhere 1 or 2 times for a few days swears he knows how things work and how things can not work.

I guess to him it sounds as ridiculous as the biggest known drug kingpin and killer running for public office. Impossible for that to happen.

[Bango Cheito]

Uber's offices HAVE been raided in the past by authorities. They now have three small offices around town, and only qualified drivers and staff know where they are.

Uber, despite being illegal, also pays all payroll taxes and VAT to the government. This may sound crazy, but it works in this environment, because the tax authorities leave them alone, since they are getting their cut. This has the net effect of the government's left hand not knowing what it's right hand are doing.

You're looking at things through a gringo lens, but this system isn't run the same. You're not in Kansas anymore.

[ClamSlammer]

Sorry pimp. But I posted about this last year. Here is a copy. Better to get to know the ins and outs of places before you go making assumptions based on where you come from.

So, you actually believe her when she said Uber is operating illegally, knowingly defying a court order to cease operations? LOL! LOL! LOL!

Let me say this again: Uber has never, ever, picked up one single passenger, anywhere in the world, while under a court order to cease operations. Never! Not one vehicle has ever been impounded for the sole reason of being a Uber. NEVER! You got be a sucker with zero understanding of the legal / business world to even consider that a remote possibility. Some dumbass Uber driver tells you that the ride you are about to be taken on is illegal? Like they're some underground renegade that's saving the city by offering low-priced rides defying the unjust police and government? Like they're some sort of James Bond hero? And you actually believed them? I can't stop laughing!

For the purposes of this argument, when I refer to Uber operating "illegally" I mean that they are continuing to pick up passengers despite the existence of a valid court order to cease operations.

Can you explain how Uber can continue operating under these circumstances after a court of law suspends / revokes Uber's business license:

1. Any government can shut down access to Uber with a flip of a switch. If Uber is figuratively telling the government "fuck you" and continues to pick up passengers illegally, why doesn't the government shut off Internet access to Uber?

2. How does Uber's corporate offices not get raided, computers, servers, records, files, etc seized? Does Uber have a well armed, nuclear-capable militia army standing guard over its offices that is feared by the Colombia's own military?

3. How does Uber's driver support offices not get raided?

4. How are Uber executives not issued arrest warrants and imprisoned for defying court orders?

5. How does Uber continue to process credit card payments? If Uber is illegal, then of course all Colombian banks would be issued notices to cease transactions with Uber and freeze its assets.

6. How does Uber continue to pay / collect from their drivers when no bank will do business with them and all their assets are frozen?

7. How does Uber continue to employ Colombian locals for their support staff when it is deemed as operating illegally? How is payroll processed with no bank account?

8. Uber employs a team of legal experts who's only job is to maintain compliance with government policies, correct? Then why have a legal team when you don't give a fuck anyway and continue to operate despite a court order not to do so?

Uber is not some street corner operation selling illegally imported cigarettes that can continue to operate enough though a court ordered it to shut down. Just pack up real quick when the cops are spotted a couple blocks away. Uber is a multi billion dollar corporation. No way in hell they can operate underground. You think the Colombian government won't notice Uber picking up 20 million passenger a month? Uber can just shut off the lights when they see the cops coming down the road? LOL! Seriously, anyone that considers even for one second that it's possible Uber is operating illegally underground is a sucker with no understanding of the business / legal world. Renegade Uber drivers going rogue, dodging impounders while saving the city from high priced taxi's LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!