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[WyattEarp]

It's difficult to guess the post war environment. If things continue as they are and Russia suffers a defeat, plus the effects of the sanctions, we can expect their economy to completely tank and (hopefully) the price of mongering to drop. Bear in mind that westerners might not be safe or popular in Russia in that situation.

Bear in mind, that also the United States and NATO countries are fighting a proxy war. Russia is directly on the other side. Unlike other proxy wars, this one is very close to home both literally and figuratively speaking.

Who knows how Westerners will be accepted in Russia when the war is over.

There is a slight chance that there is a post-dictator liberation of sexual mores. You saw this phenomenon in Spain, Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union itself in the 1990's.

[Doc8008]

I don't have a crystal ball, but there are a lot of things that have happened in this war that have defied "expert" prediction. So, while Crimea being reclaimed is certainly a stretch, I'd simply note that Ukrainian govt officials have started moving the goalposts of what victory would entail and are now talking about taking back all Russian-held Ukrainian territory.

Whether it will happen or not, who knows? But Russia is currently losing this war on the battlefield, which defied expectation. So anyone who thinks they can predict what the practical ramifications will be of a Russian defeat, and Ukrainian victory, is pretty much just selling a basket of speculation.

But the situation in Crimea wasn't the central point of my post. Rather it was to point out the likely differences in economic conditions between post-war Russia and Ukraine. And, with all due respect to your sources, current mongering conditions may be radically altered after the war.

It's difficult to guess the post war environment. If things continue as they are and Russia suffers a defeat, plus the effects of the sanctions, we can expect their economy to completely tank and (hopefully) the price of mongering to drop. Bear in mind that westerners might not be safe or popular in Russia in that situation. If Ukraine prevails, there may be a period after the war when prices are low, but there will be substantial investment from the EU and USA to rebuild Ukraine. That will probably create some inflation and drive up mongering rates.

[CallSignRomeo]

But Russia is currently losing this war on the battlefield, which defied expectation. .

People who are familiar with their own country's special ops personnel who were training arming and supplying weapons to Ukraine military saw this coming for Russia from "miles away".

[Jmsuttr]

I have spent time in both these countries so my two cents on your comments. Crimea to be separated from Russia is going to be very unlikely and there are lot of reasons for this but this is not forum to discuss that. Current price levels for mongering are still holding the same as discussed with my source in St P and Moscow but will have to wait and watch for next few months and further ahead to see any anomalies in the trend.

I don't have a crystal ball, but there are a lot of things that have happened in this war that have defied "expert" prediction. So, while Crimea being reclaimed is certainly a stretch, I'd simply note that Ukrainian govt officials have started moving the goalposts of what victory would entail and are now talking about taking back all Russian-held Ukrainian territory.

Whether it will happen or not, who knows? But Russia is currently losing this war on the battlefield, which defied expectation. So anyone who thinks they can predict what the practical ramifications will be of a Russian defeat, and Ukrainian victory, is pretty much just selling a basket of speculation.

But the situation in Crimea wasn't the central point of my post. Rather it was to point out the likely differences in economic conditions between post-war Russia and Ukraine. And, with all due respect to your sources, current mongering conditions may be radically altered after the war.

[WyattEarp]

I am going to take exception. Economics probably is a factor in pricing but a country's GDP does not always correlate to the cost of a lay. Ukraine is relatively poor yet from what I have read it is costly to pay for a sex buddy. Korea has more game than any place I have ever seen yet it is ranked the 11th richest country. There, culture is a big factor.

I think Jmsuttr's comment is a generalized statement that holds some truth. "The mongering environment in any country is determined mostly by economic factors."

The developing countries in the Southern hemisphere and close to the equator are relatively inexpensive. Of course, culture, legality and geography factor in as well. Ukraine is likely more pricey because of Germans, Russians and other foreigners proximate to the country.

Korea is an interesting cultural case. A lot of girls in USA Massage parlors are Korean. In Germany, it might be hard to find a hot German provider, but the culture, legality and geography make it easy to find a foreign resident provider at a decent price. This situation is replicated in parts of Western Europe.

[Jmsuttr]

I am going to take exception. Economics probably is a factor in pricing but a country's GDP does not always correlate to the cost of a lay. Ukraine is relatively poor yet from what I have read it is costly to pay for a sex buddy. Korea has more game than any place I have ever seen yet it is ranked the 11th richest country. There, culture is a big factor.

Cultural factors are obviously important, pertinent, and, in some countries, huge. But exploring those factors was beyond the scope of my post as I was making a more simple and direct comparison between post-war Ukraine and Russia. In that context, economic factors are likely to prove most relevant.

[CallSignRomeo]

That, and the fact that Ukrainian women will have more options for travel and relocation throughout Europe, raises the distinct possibility that low-cost mongering in Ukraine might be a thing of the past. This won't be evenly distributed, of course, as the bulk of the money will initially flow to, or through, areas like Kyiv, Lviv, and (if successfully liberated) Crimea.

That means any woman who wasn't able to escape those circumstances may be forced to turn to prostitution to feed herself or her family. Unfortunately (for her), since there will be significantly less money sloshing around, mongering in Russia is likely to be dirt-cheap. If you go, bring plenty of cigarettes since they'll probably be worth more than the ruble.

I have spent time in both these countries so my two cents on your comments. Crimea to be separated from Russia is going to be very unlikely and there are lot of reasons for this but this is not forum to discuss that. Current price levels for mongering are still holding the same as discussed with my source in St P and Moscow but will have to wait and watch for next few months and further ahead to see any anomalies in the trend.

[Nero6]

Despite the warning, I had actually planned to take the train from Lviv to Kyiv. But my night train was 9 hours late. Instead of arriving in the early hours of the morning, only arriving in the evening. So I dropped that plan. Because on the way back I could not have afforded such a delay. There was not enough time.

But I was told from Kyiv that it is currently a city of men. A lot of men, few girls. Maybe there are enough men willing to pay high prices. And that's why your acquaintances didn't answer. Lviv, on the other hand, is more a city of girls. More women than men from my own experience.

In Lviv, restaurants close around 21:00 in the evening. In Kyiv, if nothing has changed in the last few days, already around 18:00. Supermarkets and other shops as well. An afterlife or life in the early evening is therefore not possible. Girls must be back home before lockdown or stay overnight. In addition, there are controls everywhere in Kyiv. It's too much even for my Ukrainian friends. I wasn't even checked in Lviv.

I don't know if Mamba is completely blocked. The page could not be landed via the stationary Internet. Not even via my Lifecell card / mobile. I tried in Lviv and on the way to Lviv to the border. Strangely, however, the Mamba database on love. Ru worked. Also from Ukraine. It's the same site, but with a different domain. Just like Mamba uses many different domains with the same database. Perhaps one could list a collection of mamba domains that are still working here.

By the way curfew now start at 23:00 in Kiev. And you can be at restaurant till between 20:00-21:00 dependent on the place. Difficult to find gasoline.

[Nero6]

Despite the warning, I had actually planned to take the train from Lviv to Kyiv. But my night train was 9 hours late. Instead of arriving in the early hours of the morning, only arriving in the evening. So I dropped that plan. Because on the way back I could not have afforded such a delay. There was not enough time.

But I was told from Kyiv that it is currently a city of men. A lot of men, few girls. Maybe there are enough men willing to pay high prices. And that's why your acquaintances didn't answer. Lviv, on the other hand, is more a city of girls. More women than men from my own experience.

In Lviv, restaurants close around 21:00 in the evening. In Kyiv, if nothing has changed in the last few days, already around 18:00. Supermarkets and other shops as well. An afterlife or life in the early evening is therefore not possible. Girls must be back home before lockdown or stay overnight. In addition, there are controls everywhere in Kyiv. It's too much even for my Ukrainian friends. I wasn't even checked in Lviv.

I don't know if Mamba is completely blocked. The page could not be landed via the stationary Internet. Not even via my Lifecell card / mobile. I tried in Lviv and on the way to Lviv to the border. Strangely, however, the Mamba database on love. Ru worked. Also from Ukraine. It's the same site, but with a different domain. Just like Mamba uses many different domains with the same database. Perhaps one could list a collection of mamba domains that are still working here.

I been in Kiev for 1 week now. There are air alarm every day. More and more thing open up. Mamba only work with vpn but I got no feedback. I think many of the girls left to other countries or places in Ukraine. Yes many men here. Much military in the streets.

[DramaFree11]

Despite the warning, I had actually planned to take the train from Lviv to Kyiv. But my night train was 9 hours late. Instead of arriving in the early hours of the morning, only arriving in the evening. So I dropped that plan. Because on the way back I could not have afforded such a delay. There was not enough time.

But I was told from Kyiv that it is currently a city of men. A lot of men, few girls. Maybe there are enough men willing to pay high prices. And that's why your acquaintances didn't answer. Lviv, on the other hand, is more a city of girls. More women than men from my own experience.

In Lviv, restaurants close around 21:00 in the evening. In Kyiv, if nothing has changed in the last few days, already around 18:00. Supermarkets and other shops as well. An afterlife or life in the early evening is therefore not possible. Girls must be back home before lockdown or stay overnight. In addition, there are controls everywhere in Kyiv. It's too much even for my Ukrainian friends. I wasn't even checked in Lviv.

I don't know if Mamba is completely blocked. The page could not be landed via the stationary Internet. Not even via my Lifecell card / mobile. I tried in Lviv and on the way to Lviv to the border. Strangely, however, the Mamba database on love. Ru worked. Also from Ukraine. It's the same site, but with a different domain. Just like Mamba uses many different domains with the same database. Perhaps one could list a collection of mamba domains that are still working here.

This is a little crazy, but to each his own. You must really love Kiev if you are going there in the middle of a war.

[Misterxxx]

I sent several messages to some heart-breaking beautiful girls (Yulia 19, Kiss 21, 22 etc.) in Kyiv in the last 24 hours, although they didn't reply a word, but I can see they've read it. Like with WhatsApp, there are two blue ticks. Because they are so beautiful that I don't think they know VPN or Geo data stuff at all. I highly doubt that Mamba is completely forbidden in Kyiv. I hope someone in Kyiv can confirm my guess.

Despite the warning, I had actually planned to take the train from Lviv to Kyiv. But my night train was 9 hours late. Instead of arriving in the early hours of the morning, only arriving in the evening. So I dropped that plan. Because on the way back I could not have afforded such a delay. There was not enough time.

But I was told from Kyiv that it is currently a city of men. A lot of men, few girls. Maybe there are enough men willing to pay high prices. And that's why your acquaintances didn't answer. Lviv, on the other hand, is more a city of girls. More women than men from my own experience.

In Lviv, restaurants close around 21:00 in the evening. In Kyiv, if nothing has changed in the last few days, already around 18:00. Supermarkets and other shops as well. An afterlife or life in the early evening is therefore not possible. Girls must be back home before lockdown or stay overnight. In addition, there are controls everywhere in Kyiv. It's too much even for my Ukrainian friends. I wasn't even checked in Lviv.

I don't know if Mamba is completely blocked. The page could not be landed via the stationary Internet. Not even via my Lifecell card / mobile. I tried in Lviv and on the way to Lviv to the border. Strangely, however, the Mamba database on love. Ru worked. Also from Ukraine. It's the same site, but with a different domain. Just like Mamba uses many different domains with the same database. Perhaps one could list a collection of mamba domains that are still working here.

[The Rose]

The mongering environment in any country is determined mostly by economic factors.

I am going to take exception. Economics probably is a factor in pricing but a country's GDP does not always correlate to the cost of a lay. Ukraine is relatively poor yet from what I have read it is costly to pay for a sex buddy. Korea has more game than any place I have ever seen yet it is ranked the 11th richest country. There, culture is a big factor.

[Jmsuttr]

Thanks for the link but not your comments. Full disclosure: I am the most anti cigarette poster on the site. It is a revolting addiction but an interesting one.

When the Soviet Union imploded, Big Tobacco bought up the Soviet tobacco firm to remove the competition; much the same happened with Cola companies, cola being all sugar and marketing. Hitler's Nazis actually invented Fanta (the Fantastic Cola Company), as sugar and Coca Cola, the former sponsor of the Hitler Youth, was no longer available.

Your idea that American, South African etc cigarettes are best is down to marketing "It's Toasted".

Good on that British OAP to go to Kiev (non Nazi spelling) to get his rocks off. Not sure how he would get on if disputes arise.

For anyone making a small fortune in such a corrupt and lawless country, begin with a big fortune. That way, you might have something left. Factor that in.

The mongering environment in any country is determined mostly by economic factors. One thing that's likely to be true in post-war Ukraine is that there will be a shitload of money sloshing around as reconstruction funds pour into the country. That, and the fact that Ukrainian women will have more options for travel and relocation throughout Europe, raises the distinct possibility that low-cost mongering in Ukraine might be a thing of the past. This won't be evenly distributed, of course, as the bulk of the money will initially flow to, or through, areas like Kyiv, Lviv, and (if successfully liberated) Crimea.

The situation in Russia will be vastly different as it's likely to be under sanctions (restricting inflows), reparations (increasing outflows), or a combination of both, for decades to come. Whether Putin lives, dies, stays in office, or gets removed, that will only affect things at the margin. In the big picture sense, Russia's economy will be a basket case for years to come. That means any woman who wasn't able to escape those circumstances may be forced to turn to prostitution to feed herself or her family. Unfortunately (for her), since there will be significantly less money sloshing around, mongering in Russia is likely to be dirt-cheap. If you go, bring plenty of cigarettes since they'll probably be worth more than the ruble.

[HessenStud]

It's not as easy as you think. I was only traveling in Lviv. I was advised not to go to Kyiv. Not because of the danger, but because of the many passport controls and still very limited options (compared to Lviv).

VPN is of course possible. But Mamba also records the geo data. With my phone card from Poland, I was always located in Poland. With VPN from the USA I was in America for my Mamba account. This could only be changed to Ukraine as the location in the paid account. VPN is therefore not enough. The girls in Ukraine, in addition to VPN, also need to set up a paid account. But probably only professionals will pay. No amateurs.

Mamba can also still be reached via other domains in Ukraine. Without a VPN. With identical database. But no longer via the Mamba main page. I hope, however, that this will not remain the case forever. Because many mamba girls are otherwise lost.

I sent several messages to some heart-breaking beautiful girls (Yulia 19, Kiss 21, 22 etc.) in Kyiv in the last 24 hours, although they didn't reply a word, but I can see they've read it. Like with WhatsApp, there are two blue ticks. Because they are so beautiful that I don't think they know VPN or Geo data stuff at all. I highly doubt that Mamba is completely forbidden in Kyiv. I hope someone in Kyiv can confirm my guess.

[PedroMorales]

It definitely sounds a whole better than being gang raped by Russian soldiers. Not to mention, having to be one of millions rushing to flea to the United States / British side before the arrival of the Russian Mongol army.

An American cigarette butt was likely better than a fresh Soviet crap cigarette.

Thanks for the link but not your comments. Full disclosure: I am the most anti cigarette poster on the site. It is a revolting addiction but an interesting one.

When the Soviet Union imploded, Big Tobacco bought up the Soviet tobacco firm to remove the competition; much the same happened with Cola companies, cola being all sugar and marketing. Hitler's Nazis actually invented Fanta (the Fantastic Cola Company), as sugar and Coca Cola, the former sponsor of the Hitler Youth, was no longer available.

Your idea that American, South African etc cigarettes are best is down to marketing "It's Toasted".

Good on that British OAP to go to Kiev (non Nazi spelling) to get his rocks off. Not sure how he would get on if disputes arise.

For anyone making a small fortune in such a corrupt and lawless country, begin with a big fortune. That way, you might have something left. Factor that in.