Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

In all seriousness this is a noble cause, and it assures that the Stupid Shit in Kyiv thread will never die. There's no commitment greater than commitment to lies. And as to any lonely attention seekers trolling just for reactions, then you are giving them what they are after and will keep coming back.

I've been posting in various forums for a very long time and I keep seeing the mantra about "not feeding the trolls," which I believe is based on a bogus premise.

One way it's flawed is that it presumes that trolls are comprised of a single, homogenous group. There are some who will go away if ignored, but there are plenty who will not.

There are some, IMO, who have a hate-filled agenda and will never go away. Rather they're happy to fill any vacuum with their bile. When I see people being killed on a mass scale, and whole cities turned into piles of rubble, it doesn't put me in a mood to ignore those who gloat about and glorify such evil. So my response is two-fold, expose their lies and humiliate them as much as I possibly can. While they may be attention-seekers, no one likes being made into a laughingstock.

That's my two-cents worth, and I won't be changing my approach. If that doesn't fit your model, feel free to take your own advice and ignore my posts.

[Jmsuttr]

Plenty of Chairborne warriors, Keyboard Commandoes and Call of Duty Rambos posting on this blog that demand the USA fight Russia. What is needed is a law identifying them and automatically drafting them into an Ukrainian legion unit that needs fresh cannon fodder! All Keyboard commandoes, please report to the closest Ukrainian embassy for your ticket to a Ukrainian boot camp! Wave to Zelensky and the other Ukrainian politicians as they flee Ukraine with suitcases full of the $40 billion of cash the USA just sent them! If Ukraine does not survive, where will US politicians and their sons like Hunter Biden get their kickbacks, bribes and no-work jobs?

I've never advocated for the US to become directly militarily involved. Not once.

And the rest of your post is, quite simply, the purest example of vapid idiocy that's been seen in this forum for a long time. It's the ISG version of Coke Zero, without the Coke.

But, hey! You're getting very close to being promoted to a rank equivalent to Pedro M! There's still more work to be done, however. Keep posting about your loser wet-dreams and throw in a few about mosquitoes, and maybe slugs. Oh, yes! And Hasbro toys, don't forget about those.

If you try really hard, you could achieve Pedro M-ness before you know it.

[DramaFree11]

US Oil companies are also making record profits--they don't need to charge the American consumer as much as they are. Drilling more now in the USA might also not be a bad idea.

Yes, you are a hater of Ukraine if you think genocide is acceptable (and, in this case, allowing Russia anything short of total defeat is consent or acquiescence to genocide)--and clearly you do. Appeasing Russia in any way is a horrible idea and will not lead to the stability that is your justification for wanting to stop the war by any means.

You are one, whacked guy. Hanging out in Kiev during a war. American's should not suffer for this stupidity. Let Europe deal with this. This is not the oil companies fault, you guys love to blame everyone else, but yourselves. President Biden is at fault for cutting production and increasing regulations.

Funny, I have forgotten more about Ukraine then you will ever know. First, you never talk about the corruption and how the government was stealing from everyone, including there own poor people. Secondly, you never talk about how everyone has been fleeing from the country for well over 10 years. You never bring of this up, you just conveniently forgot about it.

Hanging out in Ukraine makes, no sense even before the war. Most were saying how bad it was. You must not able to get girls in other countries, or too cheap, or both. You are one of the few that was singing the phrases of Ukraine before the war, it was a dump, filled with corruption. Call me what you want. This is endless stupid war. Yes, Ukraine government is partially to blame for all there lies, corruption and silly games, but ultimately most of the blame is on Putin. The Ukraine's that are still in country are incident victims.

[Paulie97]

With those points in mind, my responses to haters are never directed primarily at them, but rather at the audience of readers. I simply refuse to allow the hateful posts to exist in a vacuum, without a response. And, to the extent I use logical argument and sound sources to refute them, that's really for the benefit of others because I know that haters are immune to such things. If my responses serve to better expose the bile of the haters, and the desperate illogic of their pseudo-arguments, that's good enough for me.

In all seriousness this is a noble cause, and it assures that the Stupid Shit in Kyiv thread will never die. There's no commitment greater than commitment to lies. And as to any lonely attention seekers trolling just for reactions, then you are giving them what they are after and will keep coming back.

[Jmsuttr]

The Germans evidently are too preoccupied with increasing production and supplying the rest of the world with oil and natural gas from their vast reserves and oil fields. 🙄.

Germany is going to do what it wants, and Israel is going to do what it wants. But your double-standard, with respect to these two important US allies, speaks for itself.

[Jmsuttr]

Interestingly, I want the war to end, and the 2 countries to find a solution. If that is s hater, then I am one. I do not care who wins, just end this ridiculous war, before things really get out of hand. If this drags on and gas hits $6-7, a gallon, in Texas, then you are looking at $10 in other states, this will cause huge financial ramifications and ruin countless lives.

I have bad news for guys, the more expensive gas gets the more Russia wins, Putin will keep this going forever, he obviously does not care. If you want to defeat Russia we must drill now, and keep the sanctions, but you liberals do not want to do this.

It doesn't matter how much you try to deny it, the plain truth is available to anyone who looks at your previous posts about Russia and Ukraine. Here's a direct link to help with that:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...rchid=10945092

It takes only a few minutes to peruse your posts since the beginning of the war. One thing that's immediately evident is your thoroughly anti-Ukrainian attitude. It ranges from a "they had it coming" kind of tone to advocating for a "they just need to bend over and take it up the ass" position.

Whenever you mention Russia, in stark contrast, you consistently minimize their responsibility for the aggression and, even when the subject of war crimes is raised, your (beyond pathetic!) response is to minimize that, as well, since you believe nobody will be able to hold Putin to account. Really? That's it? There's a rampaging murderer on the loose but it's too difficult and inconvenient to do anything about him (move along, move along). You display absolutely no sense of outrage, zero, zip, nada. Of course, if the raping and pillaging was happening on your street, or in your house, you'd be singing a different tune (assuming you survived).

But wait, there's more! Every time the discussion touches on finding a solution, you EXCLUSIVELY advocate for proposals that would disadvantage ONLY the Ukrainian side. In fact, your recent attempts to claim that you're concerned with both sides is transparently dishonest bullshit, probably caused by the fact that you've been consistently outed (and shredded) as an anti-Ukraine hater by myself and others.

But, but, but, you whine and complain, what about inflation and gas prices and my personal situation? Well, your wallet seems fat enough to enable you to cross the border into Mexico and find fat hookers to fuck, right? So, if cheap fucks like you are having no problem finding an ample source of cheap fucks, things must not be so bad, eh?

But please feel free to continue posting your anti-Ukraine bile. I actually relish the opportunity to keep demonstrating what a cowardly and lying sack of shit you are. And I'm also quite happy to know that all my responses will become a part of the forum-record that contributes to accurately identifying the fingerprints of a hater.

[Travv]

Plenty of Chairborne warriors, Keyboard Commandoes and Call of Duty Rambos posting on this blog that demand the USA fight Russia. What is needed is a law identifying them and automatically drafting them into an Ukrainian legion unit that needs fresh cannon fodder! All Keyboard commandoes, please report to the closest Ukrainian embassy for your ticket to a Ukrainian boot camp! Wave to Zelensky and the other Ukrainian politicians as they flee Ukraine with suitcases full of the $40 billion of cash the USA just sent them! If Ukraine does not survive, where will US politicians and their sons like Hunter Biden get their kickbacks, bribes and no-work jobs?

With the sensibilities of many being influenced by things like social media and sound-bites on the evening news, the idea that there's a simple solution to a complex problem needs to be constantly and thoroughly refuted.

While I'm not criticizing this specific article, it seems to me that most mainstream media outlets tend to be more a part of the problem than the solution. All too often they either restate the obvious or focus breathlessly on every little ebb and flow in the conflict.

Unfortunately, it's not as sexy (or as positive for ratings) to point out that defeating Russian imperial ambitions will require a long and concerted effort. So it's of paramount importance to guard against mental and emotional fatigue among the freedom-loving countries supporting Ukraine. That means continuing encouragement and support, in any way you can, for Ukrainian resistance is the way to go.

Another criticism I have of most media is their tendency to rely on sources that I would describe as low-hanging fruit. Any government source, for example, carries with it an implicit agenda. That doesn't mean the information is necessarily wrong or untrue, it simply means that the agenda needs to be taken into account.

With this current example, it's possible that the UK government, faced with high inflation and economic stresses, is trying to offload some or all of the responsibility onto the conflict. And it appears they're conditioning the public to expect more of the same. That may not be wrong, but it's an effective way for the govt to avoid making specific policy moves to address current conditions. Much easier to say that everything going on is due to factors beyond their control.

But, all criticism aside, I will applaud the authors for concluding the article with "Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression is now part of the UK's own survival and prosperity. As many in Washington and Whitehall now recognize, this is no longer a discretionary matter," a statement which is not only true but strikes the right tone.

[YummyPL]

Interestingly, I want the war to end, and the 2 countries to find a solution. If that is s hater, then I am one. I do not care who wins, just end this ridiculous war, before things really get out of hand. If this drags on and gas hits $6-7, a gallon, in Texas, then you are looking at $10 in other states, this will cause huge financial ramifications and ruin countless lives.

I have bad news for guys, the more expensive gas gets the more Russia wins, Putin will keep this going forever, he obviously does not care. If you want to defeat Russia we must drill now, and keep the sanctions, but you liberals do not want to do this.

US Oil companies are also making record profits--they don't need to charge the American consumer as much as they are. Drilling more now in the USA might also not be a bad idea.

Yes, you are a hater of Ukraine if you think genocide is acceptable (and, in this case, allowing Russia anything short of total defeat is consent or acquiescence to genocide)--and clearly you do. Appeasing Russia in any way is a horrible idea and will not lead to the stability that is your justification for wanting to stop the war by any means.

[Golfinho]

Could they be doing more to support Ukraine? Absolutely! But so could Germany, and the Germans can't claim any such existential reason for their tepid and miserly support.

The Germans evidently are too preoccupied with increasing production and supplying the rest of the world with oil and natural gas from their vast reserves and oil fields. 🙄.

[DramaFree11]

When it comes to haters, there are a couple of points I think are important to keep in mind:

1. They can't be changed. Whatever the root causes of their hate, they're far too deep and pervasive to be changed from the outside. That means, for all practical purposes, that an adult hater is likely to stay that way until they draw their last hateful breath.

2. They can't be shamed. Their twisted world view has necessarily twisted pretty much everything else in their tortured existence. Logic and argumentation have no effect because, even if they're clearly demonstrated to be in the wrong, haters will simply twist, or deny, or otherwise move heaven and earth in an effort to keep their hate-bubble from being popped.

With those points in mind, my responses to haters are never directed primarily at them, but rather at the audience of readers. I simply refuse to allow the hateful posts to exist in a vacuum, without a response. And, to the extent I use logical argument and sound sources to refute them, that's really for the benefit of others because I know that haters are immune to such things. If my responses serve to better expose the bile of the haters, and the desperate illogic of their pseudo-arguments, that's good enough for me.

Oh yes, and let's not forget ridicule. Since logic is lost on haters, a nice dose of ridicule tends to shut them up for a while as they're not terribly clever and it takes some time for them to come up with a response. And it's even funnier when they can't think of one, as with Pedro M's inability to deal with his new role as a crusader against anti-mosquito racism!

Interestingly, I want the war to end, and the 2 countries to find a solution. If that is s hater, then I am one. I do not care who wins, just end this ridiculous war, before things really get out of hand. If this drags on and gas hits $6-7, a gallon, in Texas, then you are looking at $10 in other states, this will cause huge financial ramifications and ruin countless lives.

I have bad news for guys, the more expensive gas gets the more Russia wins, Putin will keep this going forever, he obviously does not care. If you want to defeat Russia we must drill now, and keep the sanctions, but you liberals do not want to do this.

[Jmsuttr]

Well, I'm not sure that is exactly true. I am fairly confident Pedro knows much of what he writes is not true.

But maybe your point is that at least they are honest about hating Ukrainians rather than being honest in their arguments.

I actually think DF may be the opposite--I think he actually believes much of what he argues for (if you can call it an argument), but that his perspective is tainted by his hatred for Ukrainians.

When it comes to haters, there are a couple of points I think are important to keep in mind:

1. They can't be changed. Whatever the root causes of their hate, they're far too deep and pervasive to be changed from the outside. That means, for all practical purposes, that an adult hater is likely to stay that way until they draw their last hateful breath.

2. They can't be shamed. Their twisted world view has necessarily twisted pretty much everything else in their tortured existence. Logic and argumentation have no effect because, even if they're clearly demonstrated to be in the wrong, haters will simply twist, or deny, or otherwise move heaven and earth in an effort to keep their hate-bubble from being popped.

With those points in mind, my responses to haters are never directed primarily at them, but rather at the audience of readers. I simply refuse to allow the hateful posts to exist in a vacuum, without a response. And, to the extent I use logical argument and sound sources to refute them, that's really for the benefit of others because I know that haters are immune to such things. If my responses serve to better expose the bile of the haters, and the desperate illogic of their pseudo-arguments, that's good enough for me.

Oh yes, and let's not forget ridicule. Since logic is lost on haters, a nice dose of ridicule tends to shut them up for a while as they're not terribly clever and it takes some time for them to come up with a response. And it's even funnier when they can't think of one, as with Pedro M's inability to deal with his new role as a crusader against anti-mosquito racism!

[Jmsuttr]

Meanwhile, America's greatest ally -- zionist Isreal -- refuses to go along with the sanctions against Russia. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Israel, as it has been for decades, is in a messy situation in the Middle East. Iran, among others (like you), would like nothing better than for Israel to cease to exist. Whether or not one agrees, Israel views Russia's influence as being necessary to keep some of their enemies on a short leash.

Could they be doing more to support Ukraine? Absolutely! But so could Germany, and the Germans can't claim any such existential reason for their tepid and miserly support. When it comes to America's allies, Germany has much more to answer for.

So where's your anti-German criticism?

[Jmsuttr]

Yes, I hate there government and the corruption. Most of all I hate a useless war, that is causing damage world wide. Find a solution.

There, fixed it for you! Happy now?

And, as an added bonus, my proposed solution not only takes care of the current situation, it also addresses the future threat posed to millions who live in places that Russia might decide are their historical birthright, or whatever other bogus (ex. Denazification) justification they feel like using.

[Jmsuttr]

A well balanced Article which doesn't read like an Early End to the war.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/u...-b1004824.html

Main points of concern. "Correspondents being briefed by Whitehall officials last week were surprised to be warned that the UK and United States now expect the fighting in Ukraine to go on to the end of the year".

"Ukrainian forces realise that they are in for a long fight and British strategic analysts now think the war itself and security crisis is set to run for at least three years more".

Conclusion. 'The war has become like firelighter fuel on the flaring cost-of-living emergency affecting the food and energy security of this country. Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression is now part of the UK's own survival and prosperity. As many in Washington and Whitehall now recognise, this is no longer a discretionary matter".

With the sensibilities of many being influenced by things like social media and sound-bites on the evening news, the idea that there's a simple solution to a complex problem needs to be constantly and thoroughly refuted.

While I'm not criticizing this specific article, it seems to me that most mainstream media outlets tend to be more a part of the problem than the solution. All too often they either restate the obvious or focus breathlessly on every little ebb and flow in the conflict.

Unfortunately, it's not as sexy (or as positive for ratings) to point out that defeating Russian imperial ambitions will require a long and concerted effort. So it's of paramount importance to guard against mental and emotional fatigue among the freedom-loving countries supporting Ukraine. That means continuing encouragement and support, in any way you can, for Ukrainian resistance is the way to go.

Another criticism I have of most media is their tendency to rely on sources that I would describe as low-hanging fruit. Any government source, for example, carries with it an implicit agenda. That doesn't mean the information is necessarily wrong or untrue, it simply means that the agenda needs to be taken into account.

With this current example, it's possible that the UK government, faced with high inflation and economic stresses, is trying to offload some or all of the responsibility onto the conflict. And it appears they're conditioning the public to expect more of the same. That may not be wrong, but it's an effective way for the govt to avoid making specific policy moves to address current conditions. Much easier to say that everything going on is due to factors beyond their control.

But, all criticism aside, I will applaud the authors for concluding the article with "Supporting Ukraine against Russian aggression is now part of the UK's own survival and prosperity. As many in Washington and Whitehall now recognize, this is no longer a discretionary matter," a statement which is not only true but strikes the right tone.

[WyattEarp]

Meanwhile, America's greatest ally -- zionist Isreal -- refuses to go along with the sanctions against Russia. With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Geopolitics doesn't always allow nations to neatly take sides in every global dispute. I suspect a small nation like Israel understands Russia's military meddling in their backyard and doesn't believe it's in their best interest to not aggravate Russia. This is what is described as realpolitik.