Phnom Penh

[MrClen]

OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

A veggie massage is a good massage by someone who know's what they are doing! No Sex, no HJ, No BJ. Just a good real massage. If anyone here is familiar with China and the good old days of Chang Ping and Chang an. Anything goes KTV's with hundreds of beautiful girls to chose from, but also a great massage shop where a good veggie massage was a great way to spend an afternoon.

[RakSopheni]

So I'm sitting in Ostro on 136 street having probably way too many $. 75 draft Angkors and some food and I notice all the sudden a group of legitimately hot girls cross the street in a flock and filter into a bar I haven't been into or seen anyone outside of- TOP 136 Night Life Lounge. (picture attached). Hmm, this is interesting- I know I have sworn off the nightlife here and am just passing through but my curiosity is piqued.

I finish my beers and spring rolls and saunter over to the brightly lit facade with a bit of a buzz on- the interior is beautiful, someone spent some real money-opulent couches and decor. All the girls are crouched at a table / booth / sofa thing immersed in their phones and don't even look up as I come in. Hmmm, different. This waiter fellow tries to shuffle me as usual to a booth / couch but I brush him off and head towards the bar where I order a.$5 beer. In Cambodia beers are like $1. 50. This is quite a premium and I mention that to the clearly gay with bleached hair waiter guy who seems flummoxed by my presence and I get the feeling he wants me to leave but just can't come out and say it, I also notice the menu is mostly in Chinese with small English subtitles.

Keep in mind I am the only customer in the bar and it is around 23:30. You could say business is not great. I walk over to the group of girls and just sort of stand their stupidly for a good 3 minutes looking at them. None of them even look up. Hmmm, ok. I guess maybe I'm in the wrong category of customer. I take my $5 beer and walk outside to another group of girls- mind you these are the hottest girls I've seen all week, and the exact same thing. Not one girl even looks up from her phone- which would be fine and everything if this were the real world- but I thought this was a hooker bar in a desperately poor country and again- did I mention I'm the only customer in the place that is probably thousands in debt a depressed post-pandemic economy.

Another waitress comes up to talk to me and I try to get the story. Why are these girls ignoring me? Is this a Chinese bar for Chinese men? It's ok, you can tell me and if that's the case I will just leave. Not a problem. She tries to say, no all people welcome here. I cut her off and say, you know what, forget it, I don't even want this beer. I put the untouched $5 beer down on a table and begin to walk off. "Thank you, come again-" No. I cut her off. I will not be coming again.

One more reason to stay the fuck out of Phnom Penh.

RS.

[RakSopheni]

Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it.

100% agree.

[RakSopheni]

I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for. Simply put, the depth of the talent pool is just not there, and the discovery interface is inefficient and unpleasant. It's a real boner killer walking into these places being swarmed by literally 12 not attractive girls, finally choosing the least unattractive one just to make the rest go away, and then gulping down a beer as quickly as possible to get the hell out of there. I did spot a lady or two at a high end bar half-way up 136, but I'm so disgusted with this scene and with expectations of difficulties it doesn't even seem worth it. I am hanging up the hat.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.

Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.

[Dave The Expl]

OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

Is there a fruit version where they use durian spikes like acupuncture? Just don't use to much pressure because if it breaks open the smell will drive everyone out of the building LOL.

[Muzungufotsy]

If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste..

Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. Cyrcee used to be a sure thing. Well 70 $ to find out the girl s body is awful this would never happen before. Anyway I would tell the manager to send another girl instead. That shouldn't be a problem if it s still the French guy.

As for the ripoff hostess bars I don't spend time or money to listen to these girls BS. I m the customer I m here to get laid period. All the rest is useless. If I want a GF I go to temple not to hostess bar.

[SouthEaster]

OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

[RakSopheni]

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

These are all solid suggestions thanks Sam. I think that there's just no way around the work that the whole process requires and that's really what I'm having a problem with. So many hot girls walking around here- but only a fraction of them are really available for you and its a time and money intense process trying to determine who is who.

RS.

[RakSopheni]

If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

I've been hanging out with my provider form 3 years ago who I no longer find sexually attractive- called her over for a BJ one rainy Sunday night and ended up just talking- which was nice, and then hung out and drank with her again last night at her friends / families restaurant / shop. She's more like a romantic friend- I kiss her and hold her, tell her my troubles with the scene here, but am not interested in sex with her.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste.

Lest anyone reading this think that the problem is some whiny dude with chronic ED, please go back and read my Pattaya reports from the previous 3 weeks in which I am having sex multiple times a day with 2, sometimes 3 girls in one day. Perhaps the obvious problem is that I am treating Phnom Penh as Pattaya and my expectations are severely miscalibrated. Hopefully some honesty is helpful as well- all too often the forum becomes some sort of unrealistic fantasy-scape in which every poster has TT Boy stamina and Peter North cumshots and it becomes a bit much. I might be guilty of this at times. Negative reports are just as useful as positive.

Moving forward I am shifting my strategy- I am no longer going to be going out with the expectation of sex, but with the intent really just to meet potential girls that might satisfy my specifications and might be available at some point for a session- rather than looking to shoot my shot right that night. It's going to be a lot of work making my way through what seems like hundreds of Hostess Bars on 136,130 and 118 drink by drink- but I think that's the only way. More often than not it seems that the girls are just there for the drink money and aren't really providers.

Once again, any board members that can help me hack this scene, and advice is appreciated. I'm only here for a week or so but I don't want it to be a total loss.

In case it's not already clear, Phnom Penh is not Pattaya.

RS.

[MrClen]

Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

I am an older guy and greatly prefer the KTV type experience where you can really get to have some fun, and have rarely been disappointed. The massage HJ is, for me, a real waist of time unless a good veggie message is what I want. My only 2 KTV visits in PP were great where the girls did not wear panties and little was off the menu. BBFS was no problem as was BJCIM. Never tried the bar street except to get something to eat. Stayed at NAGA World.

[Sam Sanuk]

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I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

[RakSopheni]

I arrive at my hotel near Riverside at around 19:00 a bit tired, hungover and with a headache. That morning I triple teamed a z-pak, doxycycline, and ciprofloxacin just to root out any devious bacteria that might be silently lurking after 3 weeks tearing through Pattaya BB and it's making my head swim, some nausea and affecting my libido. Phnom Penh rush hour is not great either.

I've been messaging a provider I had a great experience with 3 years ago pre-pandemic who I also recently found on social media. At some point in the interim she stopped posting pictures of her body (which was hot) and now we just see shots of her face in tik tok videos singing sad songs and FB posts about being alone. She seems sad. Nevertheless I have this idealized image of her because of our amazing sex 3 years ago and so arrange to meet at her bar on 130 street. I dash through the rain and there she is, 3 years later. Same person, but yes she has gained some weight and now is not really doing it for me. We have an awkward drink- her personality was also much sexier 3 years ago. She- of course- did not remember me as I'm probably just one face, one dick, in a sea of anonymous sex that all blurs into one undifferentiated continuum. I tell her I just wanted to meet and will not be taking her back, she says that she's fine but I can tell she's a bit sad, especially because I expressed interest in the very young and hot girls slinking around the bar. I had to ask them and "no" they do not go with men "only drink". Looked a bit young in any case.

After a brief rest I'm back and this time on 136 street. I figure I will start at the top and work my way down to Riverside and so I walk up to the first group of presentable ladies on that end and choose one for a drink. She's 20, from a remote area of Cambodia, and speaks no English. Through google translate I also learn she is very new and inexperienced and seems a bit nervous. At first she says she doesn't do boom boom, but after a drink and my gentle persuasions, she seems up for the idea of yum yum. I made the mistake of asking a mamasan (or mamasan adjacent staff) to come sit with us and have some drinks. These drink bills really really add up my dudes. I always have the instinct to be generous and have a little party but my face always melts when I look at the drink bill alone, not even counting the barfine or ST rate.

At any event, the young lady agrees to give it a try for 50 USD. I think the barfine was around 12 USD, and we are soon back in my hotel. This girl is very beautiful and young, a kind of innocence exudes from her- which is great and everything but doesn't really do it for me so much. We take it slow and ease into a gentle blowjob- which is ok and it's nice to see such a beautiful woman down there, but I really need that hot action, eye contact, etc- so I'm only at ¾ mast. On the bed I give her a couple of fingers which she really really seems to enjoy and she continues the BJ a bit. I try to finish on her face, but she looked like she really didn't want it, and it's super hard for me to finish in those conditions so I just give up after a while. Didn't get around to sex or anything but I got the feel that BBFS was on the table if we had. I'm sure another man would've been banging her silly, but I respond to these non-verbal queues and really need it to be a collaboration not a lesson. I knew this was the risk in taking a new, young, inexperienced girl- but so be it. We have some nice pillow talk and she is on her way $50 richer, pondering if maybe she should go with men more and start making some real money.

I'm starting to feel a bit sicker- my head is swimming- but I'm also frustrated that I haven't shot my shot yet. I resolve to go to a bar and just have a beer- so I chose one right by my hotel. Of course a lady inside forces the drink issue- I tell her I'm not interested and just want a beer and she says she understands, but somehow end up buying her a beer. I try to ask her questions about the Hostess Bar scene and get some info, but honestly she's not very useful. I tell her I'm sad because I haven't shot my shot yet- and she pulls over a cute girl, petite with large breasts and says this girl could help me out- that she really knows what she's doing in the BJ category and would be happy to allow a finish in mouth. In my inebriated state I start to think this might be a good idea and just what I need. I hold up a $50 which she snatches from my hand and says lets go to your hotel. I'm not sure why I allowed this- I think I probably was visibly drunk and also feeling sick.

It's at this time as we walk out the door I realize this girl is walking with some sort of scoliosis limp and is not a fully abled person. My stomach sinks as I realize I just agreed to ST with what Americans would call a handicap person. At that point it seemed like it was a done deal so I just rolled with it, still clinging to the hope I could shoot my shot. Up in the room, things get even worse when it turns out that the promises made by the other girl prove false, that this girl is actually a nanny- she's only worked at the bar 1 week, has never gone with a man, and has not sucked a dick in years. Nevertheless I give it the old college try but in between her giggles and me fully realizing I'm having a handicap person give me a blowjob- any blood that might've been in my dick slowly drains away leaving a limp little jelly worm in its place. Sitting in a chair I slump over her, and she somewhat rescues the situation by giving me an amazing head massage, and then we go to the bed and gives me an amazing back massage. I ask her about her life and she sympathizes with me. So not a total loss because it was very relaxing- but clearly I made a terrible, terrible choice in a moment of weakness. Good story though.

I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

[Banana Boi]

There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel).

Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?

[Chop]

Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned.

Any of the massage shops within the first couple blocks of the river plaza. Say from St 118 to St 154 ish. The tell is older women women working. Massage shop staff tend to be all youngsters or all older past their prime gals. The young ones look better but they ask more, and for my money the older ones are just plain better at it anyway. Also you usually get a decent massage. Fat chance of that with the young ones. For the record, the one I posted about was on St 148. Don't remember the name. I think it's the only one on 148 between the river and that rats nest of a market.

Careful trying this at shops outside the river district. I didn't, but I know from Thailand that a lot of the massage shops staffed by older women are not hand job joints. I would assume the same is true for the shops in the less sketchy parts of PP but again, I didn't try.

Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.

Yeah, no DMs for me. Sorry.

[PayForIt]

Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

It is friendly. There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). So you may not even need to venue into town if you see someone you like. Though be warned. They are significantly more expensive than picking up girls in the girlie bars in town. Tuk Tuk to 136/130 is cheap and I have taken 2 girls back from pool bars to the hotel, even taken them into the casino, bought them drinks then up to the room despite it being very clear (from dress) that they are working girls. The hotel is split into Naga 1 and Naga 2 - not a lot of difference. I preferred 1 than 2 (fitness centre). Very unlikely you will have any issue on reception taking girls back.