Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[The Cane]

Throughout their turbulent history, Russians have taken as much shit as the next guy. They've lost enough battles and wars. Portraying Russia as a perennial winner is ridiculous and ludicrous, and Russian people are well familiar with defeat and humiliation, which is what they are going to experience this time around.

The Russian people have taken plenty of shit over their entire history, including probably most of it from their own leaders!

[Riina]

The first post is a question on S Korea, the 2nd is some useless be s on England and the rest are praising Nazis who are getting their asses handed to them in Ukraine.

Basically delusional jibber jabber.

[Xpartan]

Russians do not take shit. Anyone who's been there even once should have very quickly found that out for themselves. It should be no surprise how this war is unfolding, yet the self-delusion among the willfully ignorant persists.

Throughout their turbulent history, Russians have taken as much shit as the next guy. They've lost enough battles and wars. Portraying Russia as a perennial winner is ridiculous and ludicrous, and Russian people are well familiar with defeat and humiliation, which is what they are going to experience this time around, as well.

[Elvis 2008]

Russians do not take shit. Anyone who's been there even once should have very quickly found that out for themselves. It should be no surprise how this war is unfolding, yet the self-delusion among the willfully ignorant persists.

Yeah, the concept that Putin was right all along (which is what the article was about) looks more and more clear. I do not think the Western Press has expressed the Russian POV very well, and I am not even sure this article got into it. All you hear in the Western Press is Putin is a mad man and they highlight whenever a Russian mentions being anti-war.

My understanding is Putin felt surrounded, and that was what the Atlantic mentioned victory in Ukraine would be, a surrounded Russia. I was told that Russia had only 2 of the 9 traditional choke points against an invasion and now are in control of 5 of the 9. In addition ethnic Russians were being tortured and killed in Donbas and water was being cut off to Crimea. Add in Ukraine being in the EU and Nato, the coup of 2014, and Russiagate where the Dems demonized Putin unfairly and Ukrainegate which showed the Dems had a stranglehold in Ukraine, and far from Putin being a mad man, I can see why he felt the need for a pre-emptive strike. He is a bully but I do not see him as irrational.

Putin is a guy who took over for Yeltsin who was a drunk and ruled at a time Russians were starving. Say you what you want about him ethically, but he gets the trains to run on time almost as well as any Russian leader can. Yes, it is not a Democracy, but Russians have historically preferred a strong armed leader versus an elected one. This again is something most Westerners do not get.

The hysteria has died down. No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. The return on the $40 billion the USA has sent to Ukraine may as well have been lit on fire for all the good it will do, and our nation is suffering with higher oil and gas prices and higher food prices.

Here are two pieces which show the diametrically opposed positions: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...infrastructure.

As residents are hopeful that the crisis finally resolves Saturday, it's worth noting the irony in billions of taxpayer dollars currently being sent to places like Odessa, Ukraine. Even as Americans in places like Odessa, Texas can't even get drinkable water due to "ageing infrastructure".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...pulations-nato

Top officials in the West warning their populations against "Ukraine fatigue", saying that 'sacrifices' must be made for the long-term despite the 'high costs' in blood and treasure of continuing to ramp up support for Ukraine. This time it's NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg making unusually blunt statements, addressing the common masses.

"We must prepare for the fact that it could take years. We must not let up in supporting Ukraine," he began by saying in an interview published Sunday by Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper. He stressed this should be the case "even if the costs are high, not only for military support, also because of rising energy and food prices. ".

Why do we have to help Ukraine? The whole notion that Russia was going to March onto the English Channel made no sense to me. So the French, UK, and USA are not going to nuke Russia if that happens? Since when?

The question I have for this NATO General is we know the defense industry gets a return on investing in war but do we the American people get such a return? That answer is not maybe but probably not and in that case, we should not keep committing. If a NATO country is invaded, that is another story. If you look at this economically, Putin was right. The benefit of defending Ukraine was not worth the cost.

[Jmsuttr]

https://www.businessinsider.com/rich...ine-war-2022-6

Wow! If everything is going great in Russia, why are so many affluent individuals intent on leaving? Ukraine has had its territory invaded, and its cities bombed, so it's understandable that people will want to avoid being in a war zone. But Russia? It hasn't been invaded and these millionaires, most of whom probably live in Moscow or St. Petersburg, are in no danger.

Again, that brings up the fascinating question about why so many are planning on leaving, are currently in the process of leaving, or have already left. Watching what people do, rather than listening to what they say, is useful in evaluating what's really going on.

A millionaire in Russia didn't get that way without being savvy, having connections, and knowing how to navigate and game the system. And, as long as they stay on good terms with Putin's power brokers, their wealth should insulate them from most inconveniences and hardships. Why would someone in that elite tranche of society decide to bail? One reason is arguably that they view their future prospects OUTSIDE of Russia as better than inside. Their money allows them to have many choices, and they've chosen to leave. Rats deserting a sinking ship, IMO, as I've posted several times before.

[Jmsuttr]

Russians do not take shit. Anyone who's been there even once should have very quickly found that out for themselves. It should be no surprise how this war is unfolding, yet the self-delusion among the willfully ignorant persists.

Notice that I specifically didn't say that Ukraine is winning. That's because, unlike you and your schmegegge-clone, I actually follow what's happening on the battlefield. And, when it comes to facts vs opinion, facts will win every time.

Russia hasn't lost but neither have they won. And, when you're fighting for survival, it's a win for Ukraine each day they keep the invaders at bay.

[DramaFree11]

https://medium.com/@grantpiperwritin...g-b58872a19bef

Great article. Maybe Putin is not as dumb as everyone thought. Time is on Russia side and with high gas prices and inflation way up, Russia is definitely starting to win. If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.

[Jmsuttr]

I'm a Russian schmegegge-troll and I gladly swallow Russian Defense Ministry propaganda and spit it back out in this forum. If Russia says it, who cares if it's true?

Meanwhile, the REAL Nazis, the ones waging genocide on behalf of Russia, are being identified and tracked.

https://russian-torturers.com/en

The trials of these war criminals can't come soon enough.

[Jmsuttr]

The author dropped one very important issue in the article: The huge bridges in Kherson crossing the Dnjepr. Having lived in this area myself for a few years, I am still wondering, why the bridges have not been blown up by the UA-army, to block further advances of the Russian in the direction of Odessa, via Nikolaev. Some secret deal with the Russians: We do not blow the bridges in Kherson, you do not blow the bridges in Kiev?

Obviously you've lived there so you have local knowledge of the bridges. But isn't one river crossing over the Kakhovka Dam? That one, I'd guess, would not be targeted for destruction. As for the others, it might be as simple as Ukraine's military deciding that there's more strategic value leaving them intact. That's especially true if they (UAF) believe they can retake territory in and around Kherson. If Russia is pushed back I wouldn't be surprised if they blew up some bridges to cover their retreat.

As far as the bridges around Kyiv are concerned, Russia hasn't achieved air dominance or even air superiority during this war, and they're reportedly running low on precision-guided munitions. Ukraine has shot down quite a few missiles, although obviously not all. But my point is that it's unclear to what extent Russia can project meaningful force in the area of Kyiv.

Also, IIRC, the troops in the Kherson area aren't regular Russian army, but made up of forces from the separatist areas. That means they're less well-equipped and probably better suited to defend positions rather than to advance and take territory. If you remember, it wasn't long ago that there were concerns about an amphibious landing and coordinated attack on Odessa. That hasn't materialized and Russian efforts in the South have essentially stalled. Now that Ukraine's forces appear to be counterattacking, the next few weeks could mark a significant phase in the war.

[Jmsuttr]

I live (and love) to suck LilliPutin's raw dick. And no, I'm not worried about monkeypox.

Unlike some, I don't need a fuckboard to find foreign pussy. I've lived abroad for enough years that I can manage just fine. My two South Korea posts concerned recommended hotels. And my only other post was to suggest a website to a member who posted a question.

How hilarious it is that I've SO thoroughly kicked your ass, and repeatedly wiped the floor with it, that you're pissing yourself in a pathetic attempt to find something with which to attack me. Nothing better illustrates what a low-class scumbucket (or is that cumbucket?) you are.

Oh, and about the remaining 1% of your posts, they were deleted by the forum admins for being pointless, argumentative, wastes of bandwidth.

P.S. On the US forums I have around 1,700 posts. My reasons for posting about Kyiv and Ukraine are self-evident to anyone who doesn't have his head up his ass.

[Jmsuttr]

https://medium.com/@grantpiperwritin...g-b58872a19bef

I don't about others but I generally ignore links that don't at least come with a brief explanation of what it leads to, or some kind of indication that it's worth checking out.

[Golfinho]

https://medium.com/@grantpiperwritin...g-b58872a19bef

Russians do not take shit. Anyone who's been there even once should have very quickly found that out for themselves. It should be no surprise how this war is unfolding, yet the self-delusion among the willfully ignorant persists.

[PedroMorales]

Russian warships have destroyed a Ukrainian command center with Kalibr cruise missiles, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Sunday.

"More than 50 generals and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were killed," the statement said. According to the ministry, the strike took place near the village of Shirokaya Dacha in Dnepropetrovsk Region, Ukraine. The missiles hit the compound where commanders of several Ukrainian units had gathered for a meeting, the ministry said.

[Reiner Otto]

It's a short and easy read, with some informative maps.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...202452995.html

The author dropped one very important issue in the article: The huge bridges in Kherson crossing the Dnjepr. Having lived in this area myself for a few years, I am still wondering, why the bridges have not been blown up by the UA-army, to block further advances of the Russian in the direction of Odessa, via Nikolaev. Some secret deal with the Russians: We do not blow the bridges in Kherson, you do not blow the bridges in Kiev?

[Xpartan]

Nothing personal, but I think you are generally too optimistic that the war's outcome will provide a great victory for the Ukraine. I think there is enough uncertainty in this war and any war for that matter to make all predictions specious.

I think many have painted a picture the war is an existential battle for the Ukraine that can be resolved with great satisfaction and achievement. It has also been said Putin himself could very well be in an existential fight over the Ukraine. That sounds like the recipe for a long, grinding war.

What's the best outcome Ukraine "wins small" and the war ends this year or they fight a five year conflict to achieve something possibly more or possibly not? It's not an easy question to answer in my opinion.

Having said that, yes it would be great if Putin felt his world closing in, walks into his office, shuts the door and ingests a cyanide pill.

I agree that it's going to be "a long, grinding war" but you seem to presume that Ukraine somehow has a power to stop it. It doesn't.