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06-20-22 23:47 #920
Posts: 516Kazakhstan-Russia tensions? Haven't seen much analysis about this.
At the recent St. Petersburg Int'l Economic Forum (SPIEF) Kazakhstan President Tokayev raised eyebrows when he said his country would refuse to recognize the separatist republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. Here's the link and quote:
https://en.trend.az/casia/kazakhstan/3610762.html
"It has been calculated that if the right of a nation to self-determination is organized throughout the globe, instead of the 193 states that are now members of the UN, more than 500-600 states will appear on earth. It will be chaos. For this reason, we do not recognize either Taiwan, or Kosovo, or South Ossetia, or Abkhazia. Apparently, this principle will also be applied to quasi-state structures, which, in our opinion, are Lugansk and Donetsk. This is a frank answer to your frank question".
And, in another discordant note, Tokayev refused to accept an award (Order of Alexander Nevsky) from Russia. Putin is reportedly furious at this show of disrespect, especially since the SPIEF was hosted by Russia. And the same reports state that Putin is planning consequences (preparing "gifts") in response.
https://newsfounded.com/ukraineeng/t...-answer-unian/
Two additional reports state that Russia has placed restrictions on flows of Kazakh oil through a pipeline and that Kazakhstan may be responding by blocking railcars full of Russian coal. Take these last two reports with a grain of salt, as they're still awaiting verification by more established news sources. But still, everything taken as a whole seems to suggest that all is not rosy in LilliPutin's own backyard.
https://intellinews.com/face-to-face...ublics-248002/
"Indeed, one of the first developments in relation to Russia and Kazakhstan that occurred on June 17, shortly after Tokayev's words, was an announcement that the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) would be periodically halting oil shipments in order to allow the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry to defuse around 50 WWII era mines it had found on the Black Sea seabed. Kazakhstan relies significantly on the CPC infrastructure for oil exports".
https://thesaxon.org/kazakhstan-bloc...an-coal-media/
"Authorities of Kazakhstan decided to block 1700 wagons with Russian coal on their territory. The Telegram channel "We Can Explain" writes about this with reference to its sources".
Again, some of the above reporting needs additional verification, but that won't be easy since I doubt either Russia or Kazakhstan will want to discuss any problems. But it certainly seems like something to keep an eye on and, though it may not result in any major change to the situation, it's an example of one of those "under the radar" variables that no one's really discussed or analyzed. Or, if they have, I haven't seen it yet.
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06-20-22 21:42 #919
Posts: 516Not a criticism, just an explanation.
Originally Posted by WyattEarp [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 21:33 #918
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Since I think Foreign Affairs tries to be somewhat objective, let me give you some further background on the article I posted. It was titled "What If Ukraine Wins?" It was a part of a multi article set. The other titles are "What If Russia Loses?" "What if Russia Wins?" "What If Russia Makes a Deal? And "What If the War in Ukraine Doesn't End?" So Foreign Affairs does try to look at all the possibilities for an outcome. I will have to admit they take a relatively pessimistic tone in all the possibilities.
I think you have laid out above the poor scenarios for Russia nicely. I don't have any disagreement there.
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06-20-22 17:45 #917
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
I think there is a strong possibility that when the fighting ceases the dividing line between Russia and Ukraine will look like the Korean Demilitarized Zone. I suspect Russia and the Ukraine will be in a state of hostility for many years to come.
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06-20-22 17:38 #916
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Similar to me challenging Golfinho awhile back on his post that Americans take their strong currency to buy cheap, third world pussy, we shouldn't criticize the forum and its members inadvertently or not.
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06-20-22 17:16 #915
Posts: 3228Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 16:14 #914
Posts: 2041Originally Posted by Paulie97 [View Original Post]
The United States and Britain significantly supplying the Russians is an interesting fact that even Stalin and Khrushchev admonished as a major cause for their victory.
I fast forward to today and it would appear Russian military equipment is not a match for Western equipment. Russia's relative isolation and its failure to modernize in a deep sense has always limited the country.
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06-20-22 09:26 #913
Posts: 1056Hitler's Play book
Originally Posted by ReinerOtto [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 09:12 #912
Posts: 500Originally Posted by Jmsuttr [View Original Post]
Because the dam is user for water control, and electricity generation, not a valid target for destruction by the UA forces.
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06-20-22 05:45 #911
Posts: 1680Well
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 05:34 #910
Posts: 1680Ha Ha
Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
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06-20-22 02:47 #909
Posts: 3228Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
You dumb Dems are all lined up combatting each other like you did with Trump over who can give out the best insults. Nothing is off the table.
Why should we care how he feels? Well, another reason is because he can wipe us out with one push of a button, you effing moron.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
And seeing how you want war so much, have you volunteered to enlist? Or are you just willing to fight the Russians until the last dead Ukrainian?
How dare you bring up dead bodies while you are cheering on war.
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06-20-22 02:16 #908
Posts: 1956Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Putin felt threatened. Aha. Right. Please tell me more.
Putin has hated Ukraine for at least 30 years. He's been incensed that Ukraine that he'd never thought of as more than yet another Russian province, decided to kick out his errand boy Yanukovich and choose Europe over his wonderful Russian World.
But you know what, Elvis, let's say you're right. You ain't, but what the hell, I feel generous.
Let's say he did "feel" surrounded.
Now why should normal people care how psychopaths feel?
How did Hitler feel? How did Pol Pot feel? How did Saddam feel? How did Gaddafi feel? Who the fuck cares how they felt?
No one threatened Russia. Not a single country or an individual. No one.
Whatever that power-drunk maniac might or might not have felt didn't have any roots in reality. When he tried to bend the reality to his will (presuming that your idiotic theory is true, which it isn't), reality hit him back right in his botoxed mug.
There is no way out for him. Unfortunately, he'll murder tens of thousands more until he meets his end.
Nevertheless, the day will come no matter how many pedros, golphinhos, elvises and other despicable Russian shills keep doing his bidding.
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06-20-22 02:03 #907
Posts: 516In all likelihood, Putin's going to be dead before long. What then?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Will there be a backstabbing succession bloodbath among the elite, or will Putin orchestrate a smooth transition? And, depending who the new leader is, what data is there to support the idea that they'll simply continue all of Putin's policies? Did Stalin merely continue Leninism? Did Krushchev simply parrot Stalinism? Or did they chart their own path? And what about the age-old tendency of any new leadership to blame their predecessors for society's problems? Why wouldn't a new leader simply blame Putin? That would be extremely easy to do, especially if Putin was dead.
As far as support for Ukraine is concerned, isn't it interesting that, the closer a country is to Russia, the stronger their support is likely to be. I'm more inclined to look at what Poland and the Baltics are saying, as they know Putin better than anyone. And all of them believe that Putin has no intention of stopping with only Ukraine. And that view is supported by Putin's own words, such as his recent speech in which he talks about reclaiming "historic Russian lands" in the manner of Peter the Great. One doesn't need to read pundits and analysts to figure out Putin's thoughts and ambitions. He speaks them quite plainly.
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06-20-22 01:42 #906
Posts: 516Once again, pro-Russia pseudo-predictions. No surprise there.
Originally Posted by DramaFree11 [View Original Post]If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.
Your argument that time is on Russia's side is based solely on your cherry-picked view of the situation, in which you see everything leaning toward Russia and leaning against Ukraine. There are plenty of arguments to be made from the pro-Ukraine point of view. But they're wasted on you since you've already made up your mind.
Again, anyone who has any question about where you stand needs only to view the posts you've made since Feb 24th, the date of the Russian invasion.
BTW, please call or email the head of the Russian Central Bank, and also the CEO of Sberbank (Russia's largest bank) and educate them about how time is on Russia's side. After all, you have everything figured out, right?
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...2a5ce559bf0055
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ank-ceo-a78031
If these pro-Russia officials are expressing such negative assessments in public, I wonder what they're saying in private?