Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[Jmsuttr]

At the recent St. Petersburg Int'l Economic Forum (SPIEF) Kazakhstan President Tokayev raised eyebrows when he said his country would refuse to recognize the separatist republics of Luhansk and Donetsk. Here's the link and quote:

https://en.trend.az/casia/kazakhstan/3610762.html

"It has been calculated that if the right of a nation to self-determination is organized throughout the globe, instead of the 193 states that are now members of the UN, more than 500-600 states will appear on earth. It will be chaos. For this reason, we do not recognize either Taiwan, or Kosovo, or South Ossetia, or Abkhazia. Apparently, this principle will also be applied to quasi-state structures, which, in our opinion, are Lugansk and Donetsk. This is a frank answer to your frank question".

And, in another discordant note, Tokayev refused to accept an award (Order of Alexander Nevsky) from Russia. Putin is reportedly furious at this show of disrespect, especially since the SPIEF was hosted by Russia. And the same reports state that Putin is planning consequences (preparing "gifts") in response.

https://newsfounded.com/ukraineeng/t...-answer-unian/

Two additional reports state that Russia has placed restrictions on flows of Kazakh oil through a pipeline and that Kazakhstan may be responding by blocking railcars full of Russian coal. Take these last two reports with a grain of salt, as they're still awaiting verification by more established news sources. But still, everything taken as a whole seems to suggest that all is not rosy in LilliPutin's own backyard.

https://intellinews.com/face-to-face...ublics-248002/

"Indeed, one of the first developments in relation to Russia and Kazakhstan that occurred on June 17, shortly after Tokayev's words, was an announcement that the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) would be periodically halting oil shipments in order to allow the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry to defuse around 50 WWII era mines it had found on the Black Sea seabed. Kazakhstan relies significantly on the CPC infrastructure for oil exports".

https://thesaxon.org/kazakhstan-bloc...an-coal-media/

"Authorities of Kazakhstan decided to block 1700 wagons with Russian coal on their territory. The Telegram channel "We Can Explain" writes about this with reference to its sources".

Again, some of the above reporting needs additional verification, but that won't be easy since I doubt either Russia or Kazakhstan will want to discuss any problems. But it certainly seems like something to keep an eye on and, though it may not result in any major change to the situation, it's an example of one of those "under the radar" variables that no one's really discussed or analyzed. Or, if they have, I haven't seen it yet.

[Jmsuttr]

Easy Cowboy. Don't bite the forum that feeds everyone. This is the International Sex Guide.

Similar to me challenging Golfinho awhile back on his post that Americans take their strong currency to buy cheap, third world pussy, we shouldn't criticize the forum and its members inadvertently or not.

As I noted, I've made extensive use of the US-centric site. I was just responding to the asinine insinuation that one's number of posts has any relevance to the content of those posts. Poor Pedrito has really taken to scraping the bottom of the barrel in his futile attempts to attack me. His latest bleatings truly reek of desperation.

[WyattEarp]

While I'm absolutely pro-Ukraine in sentiment, I've done my best to focus on what's actually happening, not on what "should" happen or even what I want to happen. If you can indicate the post, or posts, of mine in which I cross the line into prediction territory, please share.

It seems to me that I'm the loudest voice in this forum shouting that predictions are a fool's errand, as this war is unique in many aspects and there are too many variables, known and unknown. In fact, that's the very criticism I level against your article, is it not?

My personal feelings aside, any optimism I've expressed is generally based on optimistic developments, such as arms commitments and other support measures for Ukraine, or the recent granting of EU candidate status. Any such developments that help Ukraine sustain their war effort are positive things, and I'm not shy about pointing them out.

If, however, support for Ukraine started to fade, or other developments with long-term negative implications occurred, I would discuss those honestly. To this point I would assert that the weight of the evidence leans in a positive direction for Ukraine. And, as I've also posted numerous times, I do my best to focus on the tides, rather than waves or ripples..

Let me clarify. I said all predictions on this war are specious. As far as you making predictions, I can't recall if you specifically did or didn't. I do however think you might be more optimistic for the post-war outcome than I am. My opinion on that can change and most certainly will as time and things progress with the battle, the Russian economy, the global economy and the diplomatic front. (Note: I am not in camp with the pro-Russian or anti-Ukrainian crowd.).

Since I think Foreign Affairs tries to be somewhat objective, let me give you some further background on the article I posted. It was titled "What If Ukraine Wins?" It was a part of a multi article set. The other titles are "What If Russia Loses?" "What if Russia Wins?" "What If Russia Makes a Deal? And "What If the War in Ukraine Doesn't End?" So Foreign Affairs does try to look at all the possibilities for an outcome. I will have to admit they take a relatively pessimistic tone in all the possibilities.

I think you have laid out above the poor scenarios for Russia nicely. I don't have any disagreement there.

[WyattEarp]

I agree that it's going to be "a long, grinding war" but you seem to presume that Ukraine somehow has a power to stop it. It doesn't.

I agree with the sentiment. Barring Putin dying or being deposed, I just don't know how the war comes to some type of end without negotiations.

I think there is a strong possibility that when the fighting ceases the dividing line between Russia and Ukraine will look like the Korean Demilitarized Zone. I suspect Russia and the Ukraine will be in a state of hostility for many years to come.

[WyattEarp]

Unlike some, I don't need a fuckboard to find foreign pussy. I've lived abroad for enough years that I can manage just fine.

Easy Cowboy. Don't bite the forum that feeds everyone. This is the International Sex Guide.

Similar to me challenging Golfinho awhile back on his post that Americans take their strong currency to buy cheap, third world pussy, we shouldn't criticize the forum and its members inadvertently or not.

[Elvis 2008]

With the American far right in his corner, and in power in the US, he'd have a real shot at pulling it off.

What far right wing Americans have voiced support for Putin? It is better to say that we want to hold back on your wanton spending. That $40 billion in weapons money is going to get us nothing. How much "foreign aid" money to Ukraine ended up in Democratic coffers? You expect us to believe Hunter Biden was the only one? All you lefties were and are making bank demonizing Putin. If you are so anti-Putin, go volunteer to fight the Ruskies yourself.

[WyattEarp]

Russians take a lot of shit you twerp as they have no other choice. They took a thorough ass whooping in the Russo-Japanese War. They took an additional ass whooping from the Bolcheviks and backed out of WW I. They were at the standing eight count from the Nazis until the West rescued them through re-supplies. They lost the Cold War, their women sucking Western cock to this day to survive, and now have an economy about the size of Texas. To add insult to injury, they've been forced to tuck tail and tun from Kyiv and Kharkiv, and can barely hold their own against a much smaller neighboring country. They are seemingly all white though excepting the Asian provinces, and anti-Jew, and that's why they get a sympathetic though meaningless ear from you here in ISG. Yawns. Bigots absent intellectual pursuits are a dime a dozen.

Very well said.

The United States and Britain significantly supplying the Russians is an interesting fact that even Stalin and Khrushchev admonished as a major cause for their victory.

I fast forward to today and it would appear Russian military equipment is not a match for Western equipment. Russia's relative isolation and its failure to modernize in a deep sense has always limited the country.

[PedroMorales]

There is a road on top of this dam, but I doubt, it would be capable of allowing lot of heavy armour to pass. So no good replacement for the bridges in Cherson.

Because the dam is user for water control, and electricity generation, not a valid target for destruction by the UA forces.

All these Nazis can do is destroy, just like the last days of the Reich. Speaking of which, little Emperor Macron lost and Colombia has told the Yanks to f off. Civilisation's only hope is open season on acultural interlopers (Americans, other ferals).

[Reiner Otto]

But isn't one river crossing over the Kakhovka Dam? That one, I'd guess, would not be targeted for destruction.

There is a road on top of this dam, but I doubt, it would be capable of allowing lot of heavy armour to pass. So no good replacement for the bridges in Cherson.

Because the dam is user for water control, and electricity generation, not a valid target for destruction by the UA forces.

[Paulie97]

Whatever that power-drunk maniac might or might not have felt didn't have any roots in reality. .

All these "feelings" were mere excuses on par with the "feelings" Hitler used for his neighboring land grabs. Little Vlad already stated that he has no problem with Finland joining NATO, a country with a 700 mile shared border. The issue with the Ukraine is his false historical narrative and claim that they have no right to exist. Then after that we get to the real reason, that he wants their farmlands and ports, and ultimately a restoration of the old Soviet empire if he can manage to pull it off. With the American far right in his corner, and in power in the US, he'd have a real shot at pulling it off.

[Paulie97]

Russians do not take shit. Anyone who's been there even once should have very quickly found that out for themselves. It should be no surprise how this war is unfolding, yet the self-delusion among the willfully ignorant persists.

Russians take a lot of shit you twerp as they have no other choice. They took a thorough ass whooping in the Russo-Japanese War. They took an additional ass whooping from the Bolcheviks and backed out of WW I. They were at the standing eight count from the Nazis until the West rescued them through re-supplies. They lost the Cold War, their women sucking Western cock to this day to survive, and now have an economy about the size of Texas. To add insult to injury, they've been forced to tuck tail and tun from Kyiv and Kharkiv, and can barely hold their own against a much smaller neighboring country. They are seemingly all white though excepting the Asian provinces, and anti-Jew, and that's why they get a sympathetic though meaningless ear from you here in ISG. Yawns. Bigots absent intellectual pursuits are a dime a dozen.

[Elvis 2008]

Let's say he did "feel" surrounded.

Now why should normal people care how psychopaths feel?

This is a typical Dumb dem POV. You do not care the Russian people who were starving before he came to power or that he can in one second decide to end the war. I love how stupid you Dems are. Putin is a madman, a psychopath, and we should not care how he feels?

You dumb Dems are all lined up combatting each other like you did with Trump over who can give out the best insults. Nothing is off the table.

Why should we care how he feels? Well, another reason is because he can wipe us out with one push of a button, you effing moron.

Nevertheless, the day will come no matter how many pedros, golphinhos, elvises and other despicable Russian shills keep doing his bidding.

Understanding someone's POV is not doing their bidding, you fool. It is the first step you take to get to peace.

And seeing how you want war so much, have you volunteered to enlist? Or are you just willing to fight the Russians until the last dead Ukrainian?

How dare you bring up dead bodies while you are cheering on war.

[Xpartan]

Yeah, the concept that Putin was right all along (which is what the article was about) looks more and more clear. I do not think the Western Press has expressed the Russian POV very well, and I am not even sure this article got into it. All you hear in the Western Press is Putin is a mad man and they highlight whenever a Russian mentions being anti-war.

My understanding is Putin felt surrounded

Top of the bullshit to you, too!

Putin felt threatened. Aha. Right. Please tell me more.

Putin has hated Ukraine for at least 30 years. He's been incensed that Ukraine that he'd never thought of as more than yet another Russian province, decided to kick out his errand boy Yanukovich and choose Europe over his wonderful Russian World.

But you know what, Elvis, let's say you're right. You ain't, but what the hell, I feel generous.

Let's say he did "feel" surrounded.

Now why should normal people care how psychopaths feel?

How did Hitler feel? How did Pol Pot feel? How did Saddam feel? How did Gaddafi feel? Who the fuck cares how they felt?

No one threatened Russia. Not a single country or an individual. No one.

Whatever that power-drunk maniac might or might not have felt didn't have any roots in reality. When he tried to bend the reality to his will (presuming that your idiotic theory is true, which it isn't), reality hit him back right in his botoxed mug.

There is no way out for him. Unfortunately, he'll murder tens of thousands more until he meets his end.

Nevertheless, the day will come no matter how many pedros, golphinhos, elvises and other despicable Russian shills keep doing his bidding.

[Jmsuttr]

Yeah, the concept that Putin was right all along (which is what the article was about) looks more and more clear. I do not think the Western Press has expressed the Russian POV very well, and I am not even sure this article got into it. All you hear in the Western Press is Putin is a mad man and they highlight whenever a Russian mentions being anti-war.

My understanding is Putin felt surrounded, and that was what the Atlantic mentioned victory in Ukraine would be, a surrounded Russia. I was told that Russia had only 2 of the 9 traditional choke points against an invasion and now are in control of 5 of the 9. In addition ethnic Russians were being tortured and killed in Donbas and water was being cut off to Crimea. Add in Ukraine being in the EU and Nato, the coup of 2014, and Russiagate where the Dems demonized Putin unfairly and Ukrainegate which showed the Dems had a stranglehold in Ukraine, and far from Putin being a mad man, I can see why he felt the need for a pre-emptive strike. He is a bully but I do not see him as irrational.

Putin is a guy who took over for Yeltsin who was a drunk and ruled at a time Russians were starving. Say you what you want about him ethically, but he gets the trains to run on time almost as well as any Russian leader can. Yes, it is not a Democracy, but Russians have historically preferred a strong armed leader versus an elected one. This again is something most Westerners do not get.

The hysteria has died down. No, Russia does not look like it is going to blow up everything in sight and stop at taking areas of Ukraine where there is a predominantly Russian population. He has shown no desire to March to the English Channel as some have mentioned. The return on the $40 billion the USA has sent to Ukraine may as well have been lit on fire for all the good it will do, and our nation is suffering with higher oil and gas prices and higher food prices.

Here are two pieces which show the diametrically opposed positions: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...infrastructure.

As residents are hopeful that the crisis finally resolves Saturday, it's worth noting the irony in billions of taxpayer dollars currently being sent to places like Odessa, Ukraine. Even as Americans in places like Odessa, Texas can't even get drinkable water due to "ageing infrastructure"..

His health has visibly deteriorated even since the beginning of his invasion. That's not just my opinion as plenty of doctors have posted their observations. So, IMO, any discussion of "Putin this," or "Putin that," should honestly address the question of what happens after Putin.

Will there be a backstabbing succession bloodbath among the elite, or will Putin orchestrate a smooth transition? And, depending who the new leader is, what data is there to support the idea that they'll simply continue all of Putin's policies? Did Stalin merely continue Leninism? Did Krushchev simply parrot Stalinism? Or did they chart their own path? And what about the age-old tendency of any new leadership to blame their predecessors for society's problems? Why wouldn't a new leader simply blame Putin? That would be extremely easy to do, especially if Putin was dead.

As far as support for Ukraine is concerned, isn't it interesting that, the closer a country is to Russia, the stronger their support is likely to be. I'm more inclined to look at what Poland and the Baltics are saying, as they know Putin better than anyone. And all of them believe that Putin has no intention of stopping with only Ukraine. And that view is supported by Putin's own words, such as his recent speech in which he talks about reclaiming "historic Russian lands" in the manner of Peter the Great. One doesn't need to read pundits and analysts to figure out Putin's thoughts and ambitions. He speaks them quite plainly.

[Jmsuttr]

Great article. Maybe Russia is definitely starting to win.

If gas goes up much more and Ukraine is unwilling to negotiate, support will dry up fast for Ukraine.

I'm sure regulars in this forum are familiar with your consistent anti-Ukraine, pro-Russia, posting history. But, since you're too cowardly to be honest about it, and continually try to hide it, I'm more than happy to point it out.

Your argument that time is on Russia's side is based solely on your cherry-picked view of the situation, in which you see everything leaning toward Russia and leaning against Ukraine. There are plenty of arguments to be made from the pro-Ukraine point of view. But they're wasted on you since you've already made up your mind.

Again, anyone who has any question about where you stand needs only to view the posts you've made since Feb 24th, the date of the Russian invasion.

BTW, please call or email the head of the Russian Central Bank, and also the CEO of Sberbank (Russia's largest bank) and educate them about how time is on Russia's side. After all, you have everything figured out, right?

https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...2a5ce559bf0055

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ank-ceo-a78031

If these pro-Russia officials are expressing such negative assessments in public, I wonder what they're saying in private?