Bangkok Reports

[Pahllus Maximus]

Interesting reading the last few posts, with a tinge of nostalgia. The late 1990's and up to 2016 were great, I loved the BJ bars, something so exciting knowing the smiling girls outside would fill their little mouths with cock and expertly have their tonsils massaged and anointed with tadpoles. I will miss the camaraderie of fellow men, smiling and chilled knowing their needs were easily met and of course the age old habit of guys bragging about their conquests. I like the small, delicate Asian feminine hands and sweet faces, especially when I had a wife for 48 hours that took it every hole and every position, yet smiled demurely at a restaurant. So much fun. I developed a taste for finding girls putting on an Oscar worthy teary performance at the airport departure gate as their "boyfriends" left back to USA or Europe, only to pick them and bang them silly. I don't know why, probably the thrill of knowing what oily mouthed liars they were and they knew that I knew, yet pretended like it never happened. And great, real, massage. Always with a happy end!

Where to from here? Is it really as bad in BKK as made out here? Is the Philippines any better? Thailand was great, not slum like, which is what I fear about the PI. Manila is apparently a shit hole, and there is really no credible reason to go there except as a sex tourist. I don't know much about other places in PI, but I like good quality, clean, uncrowded surf beaches and don't want to get robbed or see too much abject poverty and blight. What about Indonesia? I've mongered the world, Argentina, Dominican Republic, Mexico, China, Thailand, Europe, Brazil and looking for any "green shoots".

[YngMong]

Very excited to return to BKK in September.

I was last there in January 2022, just before the world turned into shit.

I have two days in BKK before heading else where for some non mongering fun but will return to Thailand after ba week. Will I need to pay for a visa twice or is there a multi entry visa that would make sense for me.

For my first two days was going to stay near Sukhumvit 2 or 4 Looking at the Ibis Suk 4 or Icon on Soi 2. Would be open to any suggestions in this area. I care about decent clean room bathroom etc and not about hotel amenities. Was thinking about splurging on the Hilton but would rather save that money for naughty fun.

I will hit up Doki Doki again as that was great maybe Tulip and was going to rely on Smooci as I found the go go and bars were fun but mostly miss them hit with the ladies. Any recommendations from Smooci would be greatly appreciated.

I will have about 4 days in BKK upon my return and was thinking of hitting up Pattaya as I have never been there before. Is there anything to do during the day like rent jet skis or interesting sites to visit I do like to mixy trips with things other than mongering.

Much appreciated and looking forward to providing some valuable reports to share.

[Goatscrot]

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.

Such a perfectly accurate analysis of what's going on currently. For those of us who have been mongering for over 20 years, the changes are drastic. And yes, they are permanent, and with the exception of a few the Thais would prefer that the outward foreigner sex scene just disappear. And the sex scene for the local punter is already way more discreet than it used to be. 20 years ago when it was very acceptable for a group of men to leave the office, go to a soapy, have a meal, have girls, and then head home. This has not been socially acceptable for quite some time and was one of the things that participated the slow decline of the soapies. Local men are now using online as it is much more discreet. While foreigners are somewhat welcome, it will never be the domain of the tourist or short-term visitor, because it requires a lot of time and effort, and you really do need to have at least some skills in Thai language.

As Croc stated, the 1988 Olympics killed the foreign sex scene in Seoul, in fact all the foreign sex bars were shuttered December 31st 1987 as I understand it. SARS was also used to shut much of the foreign sex scene in Hong Kong. Online and the walk-ups still are going to this day. Covered is perhaps the nail in the coffin for the outward for and sex scene in Thailand. Yes, it will always somewhat exist, but the numbers and quality are not going to be there. And in my humble opinion, it will be dominated by Asian, not Western men. So glad I got to experience the end of the golden era. It was an amazing amount of fun. That being said I'm still having a marvelous time with online.

[Turgid]

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.......

Because of covid many previously Thailand mongerers went to Colombia where working girls are plentiful and cheap, I think they are still there. They may not return to Thailand.

[Nyezhov]

There is no quality, per SE.

There never has been.

Sort of like the ones around Hua Lamphong. Eww.

[AggieDad1]

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.

Great post. I still find Thailand an enjoyable place to visit. But I am not one of those guys that is trying to do five women a day at 500 Baht each. I enjoy the hunt and am willing to take my time looking for the gems that are still available. I would also add mainland China to the list of places that were once great mongering locations, but sadly are no more.

[Lefeu]

I have been going to SEA every year since 2003, sometimes twice a year. This long standing trend was interrupted by Covid, but I was still lucky. I only missed 2021. I had last visited in January of 2020, well before they closed the borders on March 2020.

I did not know what to expect from this trip. From reading ISG, I was not expecting much, but I was pleasantly surprised. I managed to have a good time.

On this trip, my plan was to visit Singapore for 4 days, Bangkok 4 days, Pattaya for 5 days, then back to Singapore for 2 days before heading back home. Singapore was the least fun part of this trip, because Geylang was pretty much closed.

Back to Bangkok, my wingman and I stayed at the Novotel hotel on Soi Nana, close to Nana plaza. For my wingman, it was his first time in Bangkok, so I tried to show him as much as I can in the short time we had together. He was moving on to the PI one day earlier than me, and I was going to Pattaya.

We flew from Singapore and landed in Bangkok late afternoon on a Sunday. Going through immigration at the airport was a breeze, to my surprise. The same with the taxi ride from the airport to the hotel. I managed to drag my wingman through two must-do activities for me, when I am in Bangkok. First, it was my afternoon coffee break at the bakery at JW Marriott on Soi 2. On this trip, I also tried the bakery at Sofitel and I was disappointed. I did not like their pastry.

Then we went for a walk on Sukhumvit all the way to Asok and terminal 21. We had dinner at Cabbages and Condoms on Soi 12, a must for me on every trip to Bangkok. The restaurant was closed for renovation but was scheduled to reopen on the Monday we had planned our visit. I was so pleased that a Thai renovation project was completed on time.

After dinner, I had planned to take him to Thermae. I had mentioned it to him earlier and he was eager to take a look, but we never got to it. Too many things got in the way and so little time. Instead, after dinner we took a stroll on Sukhumvit, and got drenched in the rain. We went back to our hotel to dry out and change our clothing. Then it was time for Nana plaza.

I took him on a tour of the new plaza, still in awe how they can fit that much pussy in such a little space. As we were walking inside the plaza, we were accosted by hordes of girls from each club trying to convince us to come in. Well, it did not take long for my wingman to take the bait. He liked one of those girls and that was it. I forgot the name of the club but it was on the second floor. I followed him inside the club. There were only about 6 or 7 girls in total dancing away. I took a liking to 2 of them but the mamasan would have none of it. She first harassed me to buy her a drink, and then she wanted me to barfine her. And here I was hoping that she would leave me alone after buying her a drink. It did not take long for my wingman to get in a party mood, and start buying drinks for the girls left and right. At the end, he did not have enough cash and I ended up getting stuck helping with the bill. Luckily my wingman was ready to call it a night. As soon as he took off with his girl, I quickly followed them out, and landed at Rainbow 4.

This club was much more interesting. They had ton of girls dancing, hence it was easier to pick one. It did not take me long before I settled on a cutie. She was dancing on stage, and as soon as we crossed path, I knew she was the one I wanted. She seemed to feel the same way, as she flashed a big welcome smile. I smiled back and waived to her. She immediately left the stage and joined me. We spent an hour chatting over drinks, and she was ready for the barfine. She wanted 3 K baths for ST on top of 700 bahts for the barfine. I was in no mood to negotiate at that time and we soon left the bar. We ended up having a nice session. The following night, I was ready for more of the same.

I also wanted to check some of the massage places. I had some intel on Doki Doki, Maichan, and other places like it. We chose to pay a visit to Kokoro on that day. We took the BTS to Asok, and from there we walked to Soi 23, then we got lost. I had studied the map on their website but forgot some of the details. I was about to give up and try something else, buy my wingman insisted that we take a taxi. So, we flagged a tuk tuk. The driver started immediately trying to convince us that he can take us to a better place, but we declined. After many attempts, he gave up but raised his fare. By now, it was so hot and muggy, we had to either agree with his new fare or give up on our search. The increase was not too bad, so we agreed but he could not find the place and got lost as well. He had to call one of his buddy to get the exact address and direction. We finally made it.

Kokoro had about 5 girls available when we walked in. The mamasan called for a line up, and I picked Julia. My wingman picked another girl. The session started with a common shower. After the cleaning, the girl put the nuru gel all over my body, next came the slip'and'slide part. That was fun, and after a while she rinse me, dried myself and moved onto the bed. An FS session followed, with multiple positions. That was fun too and my wingman was pleased with his session.

At night, we were both ready to revisit Nana plaza. My wingman wanted to see the same girl, and so did I. So, we split and went on our own way. Here I got screwed. As soon as I stepped in Rainbow 4, the wolves were waiting. I finally got a chance to meet the sisters, friends and cousins of my girl. Also, I had heard of the double drink trick of Tequila and coke, but tonight I had the pleasure of experiencing it. My bill was pretty high that night, and my girl realized that I was not too pleased with that. Back in the room, she offered anal as an additional treat on the menu, but refused BBFS. I still had quite a bit of fun with her that night but had no plan to go back to Rainbow 4. This has happened to me before in past trips but I always found ways around it. In this case, I was there for a few nights only.

[Ggekko2009]

Ha. My last flight out was late 4 hrs. Asked my fav smooci girl to come out and share the waiting time with me in the terminal hotel and she did. I remember I had the taste of her pussy still on my lips as I went through security.

Will repeat. Great for sleeping through the flight home.

Wise choice. I almost forgot about Smooci. Which hotel did you use?

I would rather spend the two extra precious hours with a girl than being stuck in traffic.

[Zman429]

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming..

Hmm well at the moment I'm not having any problem finding available ladies at good prices.

[JimboCojones]

I may be a new poster here, but have been using Fiwifans a fair bit. Most of the time I can work out what the google translations are referring to, such as the "split / break mouth", but one phrase that I have seen several times is girls refusing to accept "pearl inlay". Can MaxBkk or anyone else help as to what "pearl inlay" is referring to.

Can you send me the word in Thai and I can help you.

[Crocodilexp]

Personally I don't see the point of traveling to BKK as long as things remain as they apparently are. So, is this the end of BKK as a major girly entertainment destination? Maybe. I would have thought that after a 2 year hiatus the girls would have flocked back to the Go Go's and a huge supply would create demand. Apparently not. But until there is a ample quality supply of girls around, I doubt punters in large numbers will return and demand will remain low. It sounds like BKK is in a depression.

There's no longer an ample supply of working girls in Thailand. Demographics have shifted massively and permanently. Fertility rate has been under 2 children per woman since 1992 (affecting the number of women under 30 now in 2022), compared to the 5+ in the early 1970's (women under 30 back in 2000's). Incomes have also risen significantly, to the point where a typical salary, even on the low end, is sufficient to live on without freelancing part-time.

The difference is stark, but the industry started off huge, there was plenty of inertia, and many punters were refusing to see the changes. For almost a decade, we've seen attrition with very few new faces, but many of the older providers hanging on. This was apparent everywhere, but most obvious in oilies like Tulip.

This situation was dire well before Covid, and the pandemic won't make it better. I just don't see where the large supply of girls would come from. Perhaps the economic crisis brewing in Laos (nearing a breakdown) would send a few working girls over the border, but that won't last long and is unlikely to have large effects down in Bangkok.

Meanwhile, there's no shortage of punters, so with the full reopening, it's only natural to expect prices to go up, and quality way down. At one point, I guess they'll stop coming.

Plenty of places were mongering meccas for a while, but withered due to various factors, usually demographics and increasing wealth of the locals, coupled with some significant event. I hear 1988 Olympic Games killed mongering for foreigners in Seoul and SARS in 2003 killed foreigner bars in Hong Kong. Thailand is here now, unfavorable background trends plus a major event. Now, mongering will never disappear (it still exists in both Seoul in HK), but it might change to be smaller and mostly for locals, no longer worthwhile for most visitors, especially long-distance ones.

[Crocodilexp]

The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

The looks are bad, but no worse than Sukhumvit road these days, with the benefit of fewer ladyboys and some daytime action. The service, however, is truly abysmal.

[Member #4753]

There is no quality, per SE.

Agreed, Lots of 1's, 2's & 3's. Never seen anything over a 5.

[EihTooms]

I went last Friday-Sunday to nana plaza. Some decent looking girls at Spanky's / Rainbows / billboards on Friday, more on Saturday, less on Sunday. I bar fined my first girl and she said 2500 was only if I used one of the rooms at Nana Plaza, if going to my hotel it would take longer would need another 500 baht which I paid. Idc much as I was previously considering 6 k+ baht freelancers. But is this actually a thing or I got hustled?

My hotel wasn't that far either, maybe a 5 minute walk.

If I'm willing to spend 10 k baht on the hottest girl I can find, where do you all suggest I go? I was considering Black Caviar or Maria but not sure if they'd actually be hotter than some of the hotter girls I've seen at Nana Plaza. I was surprised to see that there were a good number of girls at Nana hotter than the freelancers I found advertising on massage republic or even the agencies, of which their pictures are heavily shopped anyways..

I don't think you got hustled at a 2,500 baht (to the girl) rate as long as you got what you wanted or negotiated for in the bar. I get the upfront agreement for BBFS+CIP I want for 2,000 - 2,500 baht (paid to the girl after) plus barfine (paid in the bar upfront) most of the time.

But regarding the bit about her insisting on using a Nana Plaza short time room or you pay an additional 500 baht to take her to your hotel, I can't say I have encountered that. Then again, it usually comes out in our bar chat that I live very nearby and I have a motorbike parked at curbside for a quick ride to my apartment and likely back to NP as well. So that might be why the NP short time room is not insisted upon with me.

However, I will say that many Nana Plaza bars are nutty about keeping as many girls in the bar or close by for quick return on Friday nights these days, maybe slightly less so on Saturday nights.

As has been mentioned by many, those are the biggest customer nights while the rest of the week can be rather dead, many of the better girls not even bothering to show up Sunday. Wednesday. So if the night you took the girl was Friday or Saturday, especially after 9:30 pm or so, that would have been peak customer times for the whole week and the bars want as many hands, feet, faces and butts on deck as possible. Of course, the girls want to be there for the potential flood of Lady Drink commission income as well.

[Chimpo Chinn]

The street action in China Town just off Yaowarat Road is famous. The quality is very low as is the price.

There is no quality, per SE.