Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

I guess the good and the bad for me is no new dates or seductions or tips to report. Just enjoying my home girl immensely. And since not too much going on here in the forum, I hope you will indulge me posting my latest visit with her. I write these for myself anyhow so enjoy if blow by blow appeals. Frankly I enjoy Penthouse letters like stories but feel free to speak up if this is OT. I guess it's a good demonstration that the gems do exist and timing is everything. Such a narrow slice of time that Shayla and I crossed on Seeking.

Shayla and I have been dating about six months now and I have yet to get bored. I love dinner time with her and sex time and pretty much just everything. She's def the best girl I've ever been in bed with and I actually like her too! Yeah I'm a little in love (eyes wide open).

We met up for dinner the other night. She looks amazing in crop top, tiny blue Jean shorts and heels. We had a lovely dinner surrounded by mostly folks in the sixties with a few families thrown in. We aren't shy or apologetic about our relationship with strangers just the older man with his clearly "too young for him" hawt AF girlfriend. LOL.

In the hotel room it's so comfy and no rush. Just hugging and light kissing and cuddling. Just enjoying being physically close. This is a contrast to the urgency we have felt last couple times because I'the been away. The slow pace is nice.

Soon though a kiss lingers a bit long. Tongues engage and it's quickly on. As I've said before her mouth and pussy are directly connected so as we kiss she's starting to moan and I am grinding my hip into her pussy. I know from experience she is already soaking wet.

I swing her around to align with the bed and get on top the deep kissing and sucking and biting continuing. Up on my knees she undoes my belt and I pull her shirt up. And the party is on. I quickly strip and she gets her hot pants and panties off.

Normally I enjoy her excellent blowjob or maybe eat her out but I am remembering how awesome it was to fuck her last week so I dive straight in in missionary. She's always sopping wet so it's an easy slide in.

OMG her pussy feels great. Always does. It's not only the bareback, which I've done with maybe five girls this past year. She's just sooooo wet and slippery it just feels unbelievable. Way wetter than any girl I’ve ever been with. By a wide margin. Only girl ever that I might choose fucking over BJ. And her BJ is spectacular.

So we just fuck and fuck and fuck some more. All me in dominant mish. All while making out like demons. Sometimes a little slow. Sometimes fast. Sometimes just jammed to the hilt and savor. She is having multiple Os complete with the ugliest faces on the planet. LOL.

After maybe 20 straight minutes who knows I tire and move to switch her to the top. During the transition I am on my knees and she takes me in her mouth and starts the most amazing blowjob. Sloppy. Tons of shaft licking and Balls. Just to die for. So good that I can feel the build. Obviously I don't want it to be over but I figure we can go two rounds so I let it build.

Then the strangest sequence but it works out great. Just as I am about to cum she stops and takes it out of her mouth. I don't want to cum now but it's too late. I have dick in hand when a small shot emerges. I am thinking damn I have to stop so I can fuck more or I can Jack off but that's kinda lame. I guess she senses my dilemma because shortly after that first shot she dives under the hood and starts some epic ball and lower shaft work while I kinda work the top of shaft slowly. OMG it was the most staggering orgasm. Maybe because I had tried to hold back. But a couple more shots erupt and then some dry heaves after that that felt amazing even tho no more jizz. Wow. Started as a ruined orgasm and ended as one of the best ever. LOL.

After cleanup she's on top of me naked junk adjacent and we are kissing and I think she's just going to slide in for round two. But after a while we stop and just cuddle and enjoy hanging out. For quite some time I am on my back and she is between my legs stroking up and down them in a relaxing way. I don't know if she's looking for signs of life (super droopy now) but I am def thinking about round two even think am saggy. I know the Cialis will help when needed.

So after maybe a half hour I initiate. I lean forward and push her sideways onto her back and start a round of amazing sexual kissing. We are so good here. Nothing is off limits. I suck her tongue. She sucks my tongue. We tongue wrestle. We lip bite. It's just animalistic passion. And of course she's worked up for round two now grinding and moaning.

We start her on top since I did all the work last round. I start by putting her tits in my mouth one after the other. Those amazing world beating nipples and small enough tits to almost suck the whole thing in and lick the nipples at the same time. She goes into another world when I do this and I feel shivers wrack her body twice.

I am of course growing hard now and she takes advantage to slip it in and she rides and rides. She is absolutely breathtaking to watch ride with her slim waist and flat tummy and OMG I can still see a pic in my mind. She goes thru more Os and at some point after a very big one collapses on my chest and says "thank you!

But she's not a girl to let her man be left hanging. She swaps us to Steve position (she knows me well!) and we do modified Steve with her legs together up in the air to one side. Her pussy is even tighter this way and feels great. I've got one knee on the bed and pounding seriously. Nonetheless it's hard to cum again. I am super fine to just quit but she is determined and swaps to her tummy, head at edge of bed, to give me a standing BJ.

Def one of the best BJs ever. She knows how to really get hands going on balls and squeezing lightly and sliding and licking and OMFG it's to die for. I am leaning over and fingering her pussy in rhythm. Still can't cum. I tell her it's OK baby I don't want to wear you out. But she says no problem and keeps at it. Doe eyes and all.

At some point I say here let me Lie on my back. She sits back and rests while I reposition and I again think damn it's fine to quit. I've so enjoyed round two and don't need to finish (I wasn't like this a few years ago). But nope she takes a deep breath and dives in again. I think it's a fools errand but she is licking and sucking like her life depends on it. And WTF? I feel the build. I imagine her cowgirling as she sucks like there is no tomorrow and have a shattering orgasm. OMG. What a doll. I didn't think it was possible. She is a goddess and I tell her so.

More snuggling and plans for next week and maybe some sneaky mini vacation. Adore this girl. Can't wait till next week!

[Elvis 2008]

You see those commercials on TV for Hims? Viagra etc. Keep that dick hard and ready at all times!

Now there is Hers also. Is it about prolonging the female orgasm? Or how to stay wet as you grow older? Nope. Pills for anxiety and depression is the main pitch.

Whole theory on depression, low serotonin, has come under fire lately. I took Prozac for weight loss one time, and it didn't do much good with weight but I had a hard time getting hard. Then I took fenfluramine for weight and could not cum. I could fuck for days and days. Both pills supposedly raise serotonin but the effects were as different as you could imagine.

The funny part is when a Colombiana stole one of my Viagra. When we fucked, she had an orgasm where she screamed so loud I think she broke glass. I am not sure if it was a placebo effect or not, but they do make pink viagra type pills in India. I cannot imagine the FDA approving a pill for enhanced orgasm but if they did, maybe women would not have to take so many pills for depression and anxiety.

[Steve 9696]

You see those commercials on TV for Hims? Viagra etc. Keep that dick hard and ready at all times!

Now there is Hers also. Is it about prolonging the female orgasm? Or how to stay wet as you grow older? Nope. Pills for anxiety and depression is the main pitch.

So for men it's all about a good hard dick. And for women it's for managing depression because your husband is coming after you with a good hard dick and all you want to do is garden and sip wine. LOL.

[DramaFree11]

Thanks for this reality based encouragement. It makes me think back to Miami. Girls were asking $800 and $1000 and I was like no fucking way. I persisted and found some great girls in the $400-500 range. And one became a long term keeper. So yes thanks for the reminder that it's persistence that matters!

I often wonder how many guys pays these rates, I bet it is very few. I had girls quote me $400-500 in CDMX, this never going to happen, I just laugh.

I think before Covid they might have been getting these prices, now I have my doubts.

[Steve 9696]

Have had quite a few arrangements in NRW.

One refused to take any money. The other two were roughly 200/250 EUR. No time limit. Day / two days. Didn't matter.

GFE, bareback, felt like girlfriend. 7/8 on looks.

Be nice, keep hunting. You will find these gems.

Best luck.

Thanks for this reality based encouragement. It makes me think back to Miami. Girls were asking $800 and $1000 and I was like no fucking way. I persisted and found some great girls in the $400-500 range. And one became a long term keeper. So yes thanks for the reminder that it's persistence that matters!

[Gfefan]

Have had quite a few arrangements in NRW.

One refused to take any money. The other two were roughly 200/250 EUR. No time limit. Day / two days. Didn't matter.

GFE, bareback, felt like girlfriend. 7/8 on looks.

Be nice, keep hunting. You will find these gems.

Best luck.

Steve, these days people are reporting 200 euros an hour for FKK in big cities like Frankfurt and maybe there might still be 100 euros in other areas like NRW. I will not be surprised if the base ppm is in the 500 range.

If I can get a good overnight experience with local German girl, I think it is still worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[MiamiBoy1]

If you are an average monger, you are not getting anywhere. You give women money for sex and do not give a shit about how they feel afterwards. You are acting like Jack Miami's right, "They are all WGs. They are paid to a job. Who cares how they feel?

He is so closed off from a woman's feelings, he does not think it is possible that they care for anything outside of money. Just the fact that a woman is on seeking one time and goes on one date in his mind labels them as WGs out for a man's cash their whole life.

Being better means anticipating a woman's feelings before they do and mastering your own. So I fly a woman into Bogota and have her stay with me two days, which is a rookie move BTW. I think there is a time I even went out with another women and had her stay in the hotel while I was away. Anyway, we go at it quite a few times. She is good in bed, pretty enough like a 7, a year away from graduating law school, and I gave her $300, which is too much but what I agreed to, and she hands it back to me and says she cannot take it.

If you are Jack Miami, Mr. Average Monger, he thinks this is total bullshit. It cannot happen. His lizard brain cannot go beyond they are WG out for money. So would you agree that the reason she tried to give me back the money is she wanted a relationship with me? And the reason I insisted she take it is that I wanted that notion squashed?

If you can get that concept, you are ahead of the average monger. If you can sit and talk to her like a normal person and be a fun companion, you are better than an average monger. This was Covid times. All we did was eat, watch Netflix, have sex, and talk. And by refusing the money, she is saying, "I want this life with you". I picked out what we watched, and she loved it.

Stop with this "well other guys are giving money too" crap. Steve is married. Married guys should always be in paid arrangements for their own safety, and if DF wants to tell you his story, he can.

If I am out with a woman that I see no future with that I want to bang, yeah, I will lay out the cash for sex. If she just wants money for sex, the same applies. With this gal, I opened up with cash, and I am not saying do not do that. What I am saying is do not open with money if you do not have to. Leave yourself open to the possibility that a woman may not just want your money. Most will, but there are a few who will not.

I never said they are all WG, read my recent post one more time, I explained who my target audience is.

Speaking of an average monger, I meant I'm not filthy rich, and I'm not Brad Pitt in his prime nor Prince Charming. I enjoy dining out with girls, and a good conversation over a glass of wine, if this makes me an above average monger, so be it.

Totally agree about not opening with money, however, if you are in a foreign country for a short period of time, it probably won't get you anywhere, because you need to get laid ASAP, and you want a guaranteed thing. And most girls will bring it up before you even say something about ppm / allowance. Now, if you live in a foreign country, have plenty of time and not desperate to get laid, not discussing money is the way to go.

[SfoCowboy]

I've heard only good things. On my bucket list.

Cheers!

How about Lisbon or Portugal in general? Any insights there?

[LshRoomer]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

+1 on that. Very subjective. How do you carry yourself?. What is your energy? Is your personality charming and attractive?? All factors. I'm not white and have had tons of success all over Europe, including Czech Rep, Romania, Poland, etc. 0 race related issues with SA girls!

Out of about 30 experiences, I've had 2 race related issues in EU. First was a small skinny (not slim, skinny. Slim = good; skinny = bad) japanese girl in London that was willing to move forward, but tried to offer just a massage and HJ. Kicked her out.

The other was an escort in Prague. When she arrived, she didn't want to go forward. She said she doesn't see dark men, as they pack a bit too much meat. I replied, "what? You're racist? You got to be f#ck*ng kidding me! Lady, do you know what year it is? She explained that it was just her personal preference and that she didn't like the pain. Wasn't too upset or surprised (If you live in the world, you should know it). I continued on with my night, then unexpectedly, she wrote me like 10 minutes after that, apologized, reiterated that it just hurts too much, then she put me in touch with her friend that's apparently open to all (never made it happen). Right after that (maybe the next night), I met a Ukrainian girl that couldn't keep her hands off me. Of all the women that I have come across in EU, those were the only race related issues that I've run into (both escorts).

And I only target the thin, euro girls (all natural), so all those girls that Steve9696 passes on (pasty white), I'd be happy to take them. (tan them first though! LOL LOL. 😆 😂 haha.

There are uneducated, close minded people everywhere. Find the ones that aren't, and exist in that circle.

Editing the post: Just noticed your post about Germany vs other EU countries (maybe Spain). Check them all out...YMMV. I stayed away from Spain for long time and Berlin/London/Prague were my gotos...My mileage is waaay better in Spain, but I emphasize that it depends on so many factors.. Your game, your look; are you unexpected? are you cool AF? Are you interesting? I haven't been to Germany in a while, but when I was going often, the number was 250-350. I've never paid more than 200 in SPain, except I gave lili 250 one time just because I was in a good mood and she was cool AF, but 200 was the agreed upon amount. Experience everything, everywhere.

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[Ggekko2009]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

Now you got me intrigued. Definitely want to know which western European countries, and the characteristics of the girls in those areas. I am still new to SA and so far has used it in one country which is in Colombia. So far, my experience there has been very positive.

I would definitely like to try it out in other countries. Understandably, SA may not work well everywhere. I speak some German, that is why I gravitated towards Germany. From the reports, it does sound like Spain might be a more favorable place for SA.

[Hermescali]

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

Several years back, I was in Germany doing my FKK tour. These clubs at NRW like Golden Time, which had since been burned down, usually had these steel gates in front of their entrance that are closed. To enter, you need to be buzzed in after the bouncer get to see who you were first. There were like middle eastern looking guys that were consecutively denied entry, while I was just waved through the entrance. For reference, I am Asian. Later I learned such discriminations were common for middle eastern and black guys. Now this is Germany, a supposedly liberal European country. Imagine a less tolerant and less diverse Eastern European countries.

My opinion, and I am German. In the clubs I have been to evrybody could enter. It is different with who the girls accept. But there are reasons for that, and especially the popular ones coose who they go with. They often don't like the Turkish guys, Why?

They often come in groups, many are kind of there just for drinking. They invite girls to sit with them, touch them and most of the time don't go to a room afterwards.

There is a lot of price negotiation, even try to get prices lower than even € 50 for thirty minute.

Often the girls are not treated with respect by them.

Personal HYgiene. Don't get me wrong. I will not say that Turks or other peolple from the middle east are not clean. But I have seen many times that guys came back from the room and showered with their underpants still on. The girls know that too. So after sex and before going with another girl, what do you need to clean most. Your dick of course.

I have a female black Kenyan roommate. Most racism she experiences in Germany is form chinese or indian people.

[Chola]

I think it's very subjective. I don't look that different from OP but have had a lot of success in Western Europe. Mostly 200-300 Euro range and very GFE experiences. Personal chemistry, sense of humor, comfort level all play a role. I don't consider myself a player but have found myself increasingly comfortable with conversations and sealing the deal. It will probably take me a good bit of time to write but a few reports are definitely forthcoming.

I suspect that race may contribute to the OP's negative experience in SA in Europe. Racism is prevalent in Europe and I will not be surprised if it is more so in Eastern Europe.

[Ggekko2009]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

Steve, these days people are reporting 200 euros an hour for FKK in big cities like Frankfurt and maybe there might still be 100 euros in other areas like NRW. I will not be surprised if the base ppm is in the 500 range.

If I can get a good overnight experience with local German girl, I think it is still worth it. Just my 2 cents.

[FastMdSter]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?

500 euros was average for Germany last month.

[Steve 9696]

Beginning to wonder what prices are REALLY like in say Germany. Seems they should be low when you can fuck a girl in FKK for 100. But not seeing that. When poking around a few weeks back seemed like they wouldn't budge off 500. Got a bit of a fattie in Copenhagen for 300 last minute.

Had a good convo with a Munich girl off and on for few days. Seemed a pro but didn't bother me. We finally got to dollars and I offered 250 and she blocked me! Guessing like 400 Or 500 is required? Not going to be doing that with FKK down the street.

Can anyone with experience comment on pricing in the big German cities?