SubCmdr's UTR's, Non-Pros (NP), and Sugar Babies (SB)

[SubCmdr]

When I first joined this board. I advocated the benefits of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. Individuals in the forum (some who are still posting here today) told me I was crazy, because if I went to Sosua and Boca Chica I would think differently.

It took me two years before I went to Sosua and Boca Chica. The girls in Sosua and Boca Chica were not more attractive than the girls in my harem in Santo Domingo este. They did not give me better sex. Nor was the cost lower.

All these years later, the situation is different for me. But not because of Sosua. I changed. The girls of Sosua that are in the streets, in the clubs and in the restaurants on average are no better than 5, 6, 7's on my numerical scale. If you are already on the North Coast Puerta Plata and Caberete has hotter girls. I pull them in using Tinder and personal connections when I am up there. Now that I have my regulars in place after all these years I only pay 500 DOP more than my first trip up there. I have upped my offer for new talent but that has not worked for me. Not a single chica that I made a higher offer for a tryout has performed to the level that made the team.

Santo Domingo este remains a better overall location for me. It will always be my base. Even though I actually like Santiago better. But having Sosua as vacation option that works for me gives me an opportunity to change things up and enjoy a different lifestyle when I choose. There are so many opportunities throughout the Dominican Republic. I advise that everyone explore other areas in order to find what is actually best for you. If you learn Spanish your exploration with be more fruitful.

Apologies for the double post.

[SubCmdr]

You are right paying high prices can make it impossible to do more trips.

The union is too strong that's why santo domingo is now my first option in DR. The SD market depends on the local. At some point the prices in sosua won't make sense. There is a chance that two years from now, no solid girl will agree to $100ST, and $150 all night.

When I first joined this board. I advocated the benefits of Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. Individuals in the forum (some who are still posting here today) told me I was crazy, because if I went to Sosua and Boca Chica I would think differently.

It took me two years before I went to Sosua and Boca Chica. The girls in Sosua and Boca Chica were not more attractive than the girls in my harem in Santo Domingo este. They did not give me better sex. Nor was the cost lower.

All these years later, the situation is different for me. But not because of Sosua. I changed. The girls of Sosua that are in the streets, in the clubs and in the restaurants on average are no better than 5, 6, 7's on my numerical scale. If you are already on the North Coast Puerta Plata and Caberete has hotter girls. I pull them in using Tinder and personal connections when I am up there. Now that I have my regulars in place after all these years I only pay 500 DOP more than my first trip up there. I have upped my offer for new talent but that has not worked for me. Not a single chica that I made a higher offer to has performed to the level that made the team.

[Tempoecorto]

Although barrio means "neighborhood" if you are familiar with Dominican Culture then you know how the word is used by Dominicans. You will never hear a "blue blood" Dominican referring to sectors of Naco, Arroyo Hondo and Piantini as a barrio. If they live in one of those sectors you will hear them using the name of the sector.

This is absolutely right. The word barrio (as Mr E correctly stated means nothing but a neighborhood) has a somewhat different, um, negative connotation that I noticed in the DR, first time in Santiago, perhaps because of the Yankee influence or because of the Dominicanyorks?? The girls who lived in fancier parts would shirk from using the word barrio or would correct me.

[SubCmdr]

Yours is a valid point: the word "pro" is certainly a misnomer. In a regular world, we use the word "professional" to describe people who know how to perform a job well, skillfully and do so. In the ISG universe, the word "pro" refers not at all to the such skills but rather to the frequency and as Grown Man rightly commented, the quality of the job performed is inversely proportional to the frequency of doing the job. No wonder then, that we all avoid "pros" here. But now that the definition is clear, and we are all on the same page, let's not quibble over usage of the word "pro."

I'm with you Mr. T. Let's not quibble over the usage of the word pro.

Unfortunately there are those among us with a desire to be right and to prove others wrong. They instead choose to play word games. They want to teach me the meaning of words. When we all know what they mean and how they are used. That is why as a "man in the arena" I choose to ignore the critics. If they spent as much time sharing useable intelligence I think that would probably be more helpful to new people.

Most who have spent extensive time in the Dominican Republic have built our network. You shared yours with me up north. I took the base you gave me and built on it. Now, I need at least seven days to run through all of my repeats before I would even need to add a new girl into the rotation. But I will still grab them off the street because I like doing that. And those 2 or 3 AM booty calls are a blast. It is so different than on the online planning that has to occur here in Santo Domingo este.

[SubCmdr]

I have never had a bad experience in a casa in the Dominican Republic that I have visited. In fact, contrary to what others report, my experiences have been outstanding. Even as a new tourist fresh off the plane I had no problems with hiring girls for social / sexual experiences in Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este. I did have problem with a girl that took the bus to see me in Santo Domingo my first trip. She was on her period. But she sucked a good dick. Now my casa experiences are dated in Santo Domingo. I have not been to one since the pandemic hit and they shut them all down. But still you could meet a girl at one privately if you made an appointment. I know this because I lived in the Dominican Republic throughout the pandemics and lock downs. All the casas are all up and operating again. I personally would not recommend Foxys or Oasis. For me there are so many better options better options right here in Santo Domingo este and I don't have to be bothered to cross the bridge.

There is a reason I use "Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este." If you know your geography. Then you know they are two separate independent municipalities that are separated by the river Ozama. Although barrio means "neighborhood" if you are familiar with Dominican Culture then you know how the word is used by Dominicans. You will never hear a "blue blood" Dominican referring to sectors of Naco, Arroyo Hondo and Piantini as a barrio. If they live in one of those sectors you will hear them using the name of the sector. Now if they are joking among themselves you might hear them say "mi barrio" making the claim and representing. But since I don't hang consistently with those sorts of people I can only guess at that.

As far as finding girls in Santo Domingo / Santo Domingo este while being new to both cities, I think that Spanish speaking abilities will make a big difference. But now there is so much action online. And you can use google translate online and in person. Today that is my preferred way to find new girls of all types. Pros, semi-pros, non pros. When it comes to sex for money gentlemen, do not make it complicated. Ask for what you want and then set a price or negotiate.

I still like making a cold approach now and then when there is a hot one right in my face. But I have moved so far past the normal activities of a sexpat that online is a better use of my time than being a party animal in the street. All the stuff I got going on makes it hard to even find time to fit new chicas into my schedule anymore. Which is the way things should be. A "man in the arena" needs to be on his purpose. The beauty of operating in the Dominican Republic on a full time basis is that you can do that and satisfy your needs when you like. It as far away from "sex prison" as you can get.

[Tempoecorto]

Exactly. So there needs to be different terminology to describe the chicks. In your case the amateur is the real pro. And in many cases the chicks that guys are calling pros really suck, and not in a good way.

Yours is a valid point: the word "pro" is certainly a misnomer. In a regular world, we use the word "professional" to describe people who know how to perform a job well, skillfully and do so. In the ISG universe, the word "pro" refers not at all to the such skills but rather to the frequency and as Grown Man rightly commented, the quality of the job performed is inversely proportional to the frequency of doing the job. No wonder then, that we all avoid "pros" here. But now that the definition is clear, and we are all on the same page, let's not quibble over usage of the word "pro."

[Mr Enternational]

So far in this game I have learned I am more likely to get GFE from a chica that does not sell her body 24 hours a day for a living.

Exactly. So there needs to be different terminology to describe the chicks. In your case the amateur is the real pro. And in many cases the chicks that guys are calling pros really suck, and not in a good way.

[GrownMan1]

It is a matter of degree. But guys are trying to justify it as a matter of frequency instead. You don't get a "degree" just because you show up to class everyday. You get a degree for showing proficiency. Being a professional is not explained by how often a person does something, but how well a person does something.

There are cats that are down at the basketball court everyday, twice a day. That does not make them professional basketball players. I have a double bass at home and if I strum on the mf everyday that does not make me a professional bass player. But folks want to say someone is a professional pussy seller using only the basis that she sells pussy everyday. Nah son.

I see your point Mr E. I just want to quiver a little with you. We are not talking about people who pursue education To become more marketable. In this case of course the more educated a person is the more they're proficient in their profession. We're talking about the P4 P game. The same rule does not apply.

In this game it's not the proficiency of a chicas sexual activity I'm interested in, but the frequency. Based on what you saying anyone can be a professional as long as they excel in their proficiency.

Many of us who are more concerned with GFE tend to prefer chicas with lower volume.

I understand to some guys it doesn't matter and that's cool. In a place like Sosua it shouldn't matter if all you doing is sports fucking.

What makes you a vet is not how well you handled yourself in Sosua. It comes from the duration of times you've came to the area. Duration correlates with making better decisions however it's not always the case. Many times we see newbies handling themselves better than some of us vets.

I myself pay per performance however a Chicas duration and sexual activity plays the biggest part of her getting an interview or repeat.

So far in this game I have learned I am more likely to get GFE from a chica that does not sell her body 24 hours a day for a living.

[Mr Enternational]

But in the end it is a matter of degree.

The same way as in sports a girl can be a prostitute on a professional or amateur level.

As I have said before, I see it as pro meaning prostitute and non-pro meaning non-prostitute. Because in my mind don't matter what title she has; I am either required to pay or I am not. But it appears most other guys see it as meaning professional and non-professional, or in some cases semi-professional.

You said it yourself. It is a matter of degree. But guys are trying to justify it as a matter of frequency instead. You don't get a "degree" just because you show up to class everyday. You get a degree for showing proficiency. Being a professional is not explained by how often a person does something, but how well a person does something.

There are cats that are down at the basketball court everyday, twice a day. That does not make them professional basketball players. I have a double bass at home and if I strum on the mf everyday that does not make me a professional bass player. But folks want to say someone is a professional pussy seller using only the basis that she sells pussy everyday. Nah son.

[OldKool]

I think what the women think they are. You have the girls hooking every day they know they are pros. Then you have the weekend hustler. In there mind they are semi pros. Then there the there the baby needs new shoes. Will give it up so I can buy these shoes. In her mind she is a hero putting out for her kids. In my mind as well.

I am a tennis player. Coco Gauff is a tennis player. That is where the similarities end. Ms. Gauff is a professional. I am a amateur.

If you take the dictionary definition of a prostitute you can pretty much place any girl in that category. And that makes all men users of prostitutes. But in the end it is a matter of degree. And the definition that anyone else has may not work for me. Furthermore I don't even care how someone else defines their sex partners. LOL!

The same way as in sports a girl can be a prostitute on a professional or amateur level.

[SubCmdr]

I am a tennis player. Coco Gauff is a tennis player. That is where the similarities end. Ms. Gauff is a professional. I am a amateur.

If you take the dictionary definition of a prostitute you can pretty much place any girl in that category. And that makes all men users of prostitutes. But in the end it is a matter of degree. And the definition that anyone else has may not work for me. Furthermore I don't even care how someone else defines their sex partners. LOL!

The same way as in sports a girl can be a prostitute on a professional or amateur level.

[SubCmdr]

Remember,

The costs you are going to get quoted The Sue are going to be higher than the ones I have put in the UTR section. Also realize that inflation has hit hard here. I live on the South Coast.

Hair cut at new place within walking distance of my apartment is: 300 DOP. In Sosua I was quoted 350 - 400.

I have suggestions for your preferences. Although on Dr. Rosan in The Sue there are many massage places where you can get your mani-pedi, massage your dick sucked or full sex. Massage with dick suck 2500 - 3000. Massage with full sex 3500 - 4000. Get them to come to your room after your shift if you want better prices.

The girls roaming The Sue are available from 1500 - 5000 pesos. You just stop who you are interested in talking to. If a girl is not selling they will tell you that. There are bars and restaurants where they are available. And of course during the day they are on the stroll on the beach. The streets at night. Pro Tip. Ahnvee late at night and The Playa Chiquita Casino (near Ahnvee) after midnight for girls at an entirely different appearance level (with the prices to go with them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Fo3H8rvrQ

Check out Grownman's Boom Boom Room for my latest intel. Enjoy your visit.

For more new guy advice:

Thanks for your excellent advice. I've been reading your posts and I'm incredulous that these haters would bust on you. You are literally casting pearls before swine.

[YyzTravel]

A curious thing I find from all the experts and vets posting up in here. They never mention the importance of dance in the non pro culture of Republica Dominicana. Where others are obsessing over "that shit girls wear on their heads" the real useful culture information of Republica Dominicana seems is over looked.

"Bachata*is a genre of Latin American*music*that originated in the Dominican Republic in the first half of the 20th century with primarily African rhythms and also remnants of Indigenous and European musical elements, representative of the cultural diversity of the Dominican Republic population. "yeah a googled that shit you off island mother fuckers).

Looked this up today. Holy shit. This is going to really help. Took like 10 min to get down the basics, now just need to practice a bit. Thanks, Sub!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhHGdBBF7Xk

[Naked Gunz]

When I have been in a colmado on a date or made a cold approach, I have never failed to impress on the dance floor when this gringo negro can actually get out there and be stepping with style and not on her feet. So, get on youtube. Learn a few steps. When you are actually in a colmado and you want to chat up a hot young chica that you fancy use "teach me to dance" as an ice breaker and amaze them at how fast you pick it up. I had a girl tell me dancing is just horizontal sex with your clothes on. That may give you a small idea of the importance of dance in the non pro scene.

Yeah I have to agree and that's why women love good dancers the world over. At 60 I do pretty good getting pussy pretty much anywhere (except in the US where I don't try anymore since I'm invisible at this age, and they just ain't worth the work) because I like to dance. I did well in Sosua my one time going there by dancing bachata -throwing your leg back behind you- with NP.

[SubCmdr]

A curious thing I find from all the experts and vets posting up in here. They never mention the importance of dance in the non pro culture of Republica Dominicana. Where others are obsessing over "that shit girls wear on their heads" the real useful culture information of Republica Dominicana seems is over looked.

"Bachata*is a genre of Latin American*music*that originated in the Dominican Republic in the first half of the 20th century with primarily African rhythms and also remnants of Indigenous and European musical elements, representative of the cultural diversity of the Dominican Republic population. "yeah a googled that shit you off island mother fuckers).

When I have been in a colmado on a date or made a cold approach, I have never failed to impress on the dance floor when this gringo negro can actually get out there and be stepping with style and not on her feet. So, get on youtube. Learn a few steps. When you are actually in a colmado and you want to chat up a hot young chica that you fancy use "teach me to dance" as an ice breaker and amaze them at how fast you pick it up. I had a girl tell me dancing is just horizontal sex with your clothes on. That may give you a small idea of the importance of dance in the non pro scene.

I will will continue to be a man in the arena because it is not the critics that matter. I will keep posting until COVID-19 gets me.