Makati

[WestCoast1]

1) Lips bar, formerly Kojacks, bars upstairs and down.

2) Amors bar, Ebro St.

[WestCoast1]

Great report WestCoast1 .

Gracias.

Pics of said locations.

1) Alibi bar (formerly Mixed Nuts).

2) Advert outside of Alibi showing pole dancing. I forgot to mention. One night I saw the pole dancers. One of them was a real chub. I thought to myself: Isn't it just smarter to not include her with the others? Then she knocked one out of the park with technique. I apologize, miss, I mis-judged the book.

3) Ringside Bar, now for lease.

4) The former Go Bananas, now re-branded as Nautica. But not yet open for some months. The sign above says "Go Bananas" on one side, and "Lollipop" on the other side.

5) Blue "X" = Par Avion (upstairs is Lollipop). Blue arrow = Coco Rock. Red arrow = Vane 8 (or V8, former Dimples location).

6) Same, V8.

7) Fyre. Neon Nights. Taqueria.

8) Same.

9) New Dimples location, on Durban St, next to Ritz-Astor hotel.

10) Maison Bar, formerly Bourbon bar.

[Ghost D]

You have come to the right place.

For freelancers, taxi to Malate and go to LA Cafe. Just say that to the taxi driver...

Great report WestCoast1 .

Just to add on the topic of Nightclub, there is Royal Club on 5343St General Luna, which is close to P Burgos street, this has a mix of regular girls and some freelancers. No barfine, but drinks and seating are true nightclub prices as I have mentioned before, it's better to go there with a wingman or two and share the cost of a standing table (bottle of liquor) or get a table if you are feeling rich and want to impress, but you are starting at PhP 12 K+ and can easily spend a lot more for the VIP tables, you can do Royal Club on the cheap but then you are standing at the back your holding drink or if you are on a table you are highly likely be moved if the place is busy. Security is very strict in there as well, you need to both look and act the part inside. In years past I have got both Freelancers and ladies who tried to be my GF there (free but not really free). For high end nightclubs head to BGC.

[WestCoast1]

Any recommendations for nightclubs to pick up girls?

You have come to the right place.

For freelancers, taxi to Malate and go to LA Cafe. Just say that to the taxi driver.

For gogo bargirls, see my report here of the various bars along Burgos street in Makati.

For all Burgos gogo bars: Waitresses and mamas have been re-trained to be aggressive on LD. You buy a girl a drink (she orders a shot). She does not touch it for 2 minutes. Then she toasts "Cheers!" and downs it. Within 2-3 minutes a waitress / mama is at you to replenish that drink. Five minutes from the time it arrives until they are pestering you to buy another. Barfines are typically 3500-4000. Tip requests are the same as before in regards to barfines (hotties mention 5000, fuglies mention 4000). At one bar a new girl, second night on the job and FOB from the province, told me the barfine amount (she was wrong about the amount). However she was completely unaware that she was allowed to ask for a tip from the customer before leaving the bar (nobody explained that to her). She was also not aware of how much of the LD she would get: "There is a commission for me"? Or how much of the barfine amount she would get.

Except for Par Avion and Coco Rock, all bars now have beef-cake bouncers. Body builders, with several on the door and possibly inside also.

All bars close 4 am (as does Cafe Cubana). In Alibi and Par Avion I ran into this: I bought a girl a LD, and they both performed admirably with lap dances or rubbing themselves on me that I didn't ask for. I requested the bill and though I was the only customer at the time in each place, it took the waitress 10+ minutes to either bring the bill or return my change. I handed the bargirl a small note for tip and rose to leave. Bargirl: "You tip the waitress also". What? Ah, no, it was too long time on the service to receive back my change, 10 minutes with the waitress chatting the cashier, I don't tip for bringing a single drink, and she never came back to check to see if I wanted another drink; bad service. "You tip the waitress!" What? Have a good evening, miss. I left. VERY PUSHY, in both places. At other times in Alibi, the waitress is the pushy one.

In another bar there was 1 customer when I walked in, a big-spender with 5-6 ladies (and all of their drinks on the table) in a booth with him. I sat at a table and a mama came over to chat me. I bought her a drink. She seemed genuine and nice. A girl I knew from before pandemic in a different bar came over to say Hi. Real chatty and telling me about life during the pandemic (bad of course). I ordered her a drink also, and both LD arrived a moment later. Both ladies ordered shots. We chat for about 1 minute when I noticed standing at the bar was a mamasan from a previous bar before pandemic, but I couldn't think of which pre-pandemic bar she was from. She waved at me and smiled. I waved back. As my attention came back to the two ladies that I was drinking with, both ladies were slamming down their empty shot glasses on the table. The drinking mama got up and said: "I will right back". She walked over to the big-spender's table and sat down with the other 5-6 girls, raised her hand to get a waitress, and ordered herself a drink on the big-spenders tab (she didn't ask him)!. She never came back. That was quickly a piss-off. What happened to girls spending 10-15 minutes with a customer who bought a LD? I complained to the girl still with me. "Ya. She goes". Suddenly the chatty previous-bar girl went silent. The girl stayed with me for about 1 more minute and said "I go", and walked off. In this bar, there was no chance even for the waitress to pester me to buy another LD. I paid the tab and left.

Lets walk down the street.

Lion's Pride. Directly across the street from the defunct Jools / Horizons. Formerly called WowWow bar. Same interior as previously, with some spiff-ups. About half a dozen plump, late 20's / early 30's, average-at-best girls. Some nights just 3 girls, other nights 6. Closed completely on occasion for a night, for no apparent reason. Not much worth seeing or doing here, except to say that from 2 pm - 10 pm is a half-price happy hour on everything. Beers are p85, LD are 200, and barfine is 2000. After 10 pm, everything doubles.

Junko. Same side of the street as Horizons's, towards Kalayaan (the building prior to the old Mixed Nuts). KTV style, the barker outside explained p500 for 90 minutes of unli drinking (and also consumables). I did not yet partake.

Alibi. Formerly Mixed Nuts (ladyboy) bar, next door to Ringside. No longer a LB bar. Refurbished and downstairs now. Its got a stripper pole, and 3 x per night they do single-gal pole routines. One night I counted 8 girls in a row at the 10 pm show doing a 1-song routine each girl (takes more than 30 minutes for all the girls to hit the that pole). Festive place, lots of new talent, plenty of hotties. Pushy waitresses. When the pole dancing routines stop, several regular gogo girls hit the stage for the old, slow, dull shuffle. I was told there is a hidden nawty area inside to take a girl.

Ringside: Permanently closed, being re-modeled inside (mostly just gutted). The front door (Kalayaan) is sometimes open in the evening, the lights off. Its completely trashed inside.

Nautica. Formerly Go Bananas. Also closed, since at least June. A motorcycle is parked across the front door nightly. Its possible that the former Go Bananas has been halved, and the half that would be towards Makati Ave is now Par Avion bar.

Par Avion. Formerly part of Go Bananas. Great selection of girls, a number of lookers. Pushy waitresses. Sometimes I am the only customer. A young province girl, 22, hot, 3 weeks in the bar, asked to put her number in my phone (remember, before pandemic, trading phone numbers was verboten). We did, and she text herself from my phone. She suggested we meet the following day for a ST before her shift. While sitting with her in the bar, she offered a later ST with 2 pops, p2500. Sweetie why not get a barfine, you are guapa, a barfine pays you twice that. "No customers are taking girls for barfines. Not enough customers". A common refrain. Sounds good sweetie on the 2500 (didn't tell her that tomorrow was my non-girl rest day). Leaving, I got almost to the mexican Taqueria and she txt: "OK for tomorrow? What time?" I was a bit buzzed and walked around the corner to the new Dimples. "Then? Its 3 pm tomorrow?" Walking home half an hour later: "OK 2000 tomorrow". Ah, how sweet it is. Just outside Par Avion, the word 'Ivory' is carved into the sidewalk. I asked the door guys what was the name of the bar. Simultaneously one said "Par Avion" and the other "Ivory". The looked at each other and shrugged. Once inside I asked a girl the name: "Its Nautica". She pointed to the dance floor area, where there is a large ship's steering wheel engraved into the floor. Great, nobody knows the name of their employment.

Lollipop. Must go inside Par Avion and walk back to the stairs and go up. Its the old make-up and changing room area for Dimples I think. Pushy waitress and girls (for tips for massaging you for 60 seconds). A BJ specialty place with a private area just for that. Eight girls and not bad looking.

Coco Rock. Exactly as it was before, but with slightly better talent. 20-ish girls.

Vane-8 (or V8). The old Dimples bar. New interior and layout. "you"-shaped table arrangement around a dancing stage in the middle of the "you". Bunch of beauties. Sometimes they do choreographed stage show. Waitress and mama are NOT pushy, but drink prices can be high. A cheap bottle of water (p15 at 7-11) was p200. Some nights the place is jumpin'.

Fyre. A pool table and half a dozen girls, not particularly attractive. Not sure if the girls are bar-fine-able. You can buy them a LD if you like, or play pool. But not sure if you can take out the talent. Didn't find any worth taking out, only went once.

Neon Lights. Enter downstairs, get frisked by a security guy, go upstairs to a fairly large disco. Jumpin' place. Lots of gogo girls and a dance area. The gogos go in shifts to the dance area to do the old, slow, boring shuffle. About once an hour a separate, uniformed dance troup comes out for choreographed dancing. They are older dancers, mid-late 30's, and not much in synch when they dance. Nice uniforms. Music and DJ is extremely loud.

Jose Cuervo Taquileria. Same as always, has live band many nights, a guy playing guitar and a gal singing love songs (not bad), tex-mex food.

Dimples. Directly across from the Taquileria on Durban St (not Burgos). Next door to the Ritz-Astor hotel. Good size room, way too much aircon and a bit cold. Same mama from the old place (Grace), but almost all of the previous girls are replaced. Plenty of talent. Pushy waitresses if you buy a LD for you to quickly buy another. They have a 'special night' or a party about once a month (dress-up theme). But they don't advertise it. I walked in one night, to: "Westy where is your floral shirt? Its floral night!" I see. I was here a few nights ago, nobody mentioned it. I don't recall seeing a sign outside. So. . .

Maison. Now, walk all the way down Burgos, past Citadel, to Badajos St. Bourbon bar is now Maison (as reported before). After pandemic, last year, it was re-opened more as a restaurant, not a gogo. Complete with a pool table. Then about June they got rid of the table, divided it into two rooms, with a new stage in the far-rear of the place. Lots of chubby girls as GRO. About 6 weeks ago it became Maison, and the wall was removed. The stage is still there. You can still order food with your drink. Some newer talent has been brought in for titilation, but there are still enough chublets for those who prefer la cochina. Pushy waitresses.

Lips. Also on Badajos, previously Kojacks. An upstairs (complete with a pole; saw 3 fat drunk mates trying to ascend that thing one night, and one of them did a decent job of it) with more than 30 girls with a number of lookers. Did not notice many porkers. Downstairs a separate bar with pool table and about 20 girls. The upstairs / downstairs girls switch from one night to another. Waitresses have not been pushy to date. A good party vibe, especially upstairs. This is my fav spot.

Amors. I almost forgot. Its behind Fyre and Neon, on Ebro St, across the street from The Social resto. Between The Clipper Hotel and Alchemy bar (next to Lokal hotel). Completely new since pandemic. It opened to zero fanfare in June. I discovered it by accident. Six girls were sitting outside and dragged me into a completely empty bar. A bartender, a mama, and me. A raised dance stage with no dancers. Mama, how long has this been here? "Two weeks. You are customer number 2". Only number 2? "Yes". Have you advertised? "No". Do you have a FB? "No". All the GRO's were attractive. One beer and out. Two nights later I walked by and it was dark. Another one, GONE. Two weeks went by, and it was open again.

I have not barfined because I have found that the bars are really there to grind money out of the point-shoot guys (moreso than pre-pandemic). Also, in several of the bars, either girls gave me their WA or phone number, or they took mine (right in front of waitresses or mamas), with both our phones out in our hands, and suggested ST a different day. I usually only buy a drink for girls who are pleasing to the eye, so these are attractive girls. All of them dropped their initial price point when I ignored her messages, and several dropped their price twice (in just a few hours). Ignoring the girls and playing the long game sure drops prices, and it also shows from their price reductions just how opportunistic they are to begin with.

I have also not seen any guy depart a bar with a barfine.

[South Blr Paw]

Hello friends.

I will be in Manilla this week for a short trip.

Do we have any nightclubs where we can pickup young freelancers similar to the 5* clubs in Bangkok hotels.

[South Blr Paw]

Thank you.

Can you please recommend some massage places and escort agencies.

I will be there for a short trip this week and might not have the time to venture into the dating sites.

Any recommendations for nightclubs to pick up girls?

https://www.dateinasia.com/search & https://kami.com.ph/111071-top-10-da...work-2021.html.

[Trevor2522]

Hey what is DIA?

https://www.dateinasia.com/search & https://kami.com.ph/111071-top-10-da...work-2021.html.

[South Blr Paw]

Hey what is?

B) DIA?

So I have been in Manila a few days now and here's my take:

A) Burgos just doesn't have the same vibe. Too few customers, few girlie bars, minimal nudity, and very high prices. Very few FLs outside as well. Wasted a few nights but did not pastake.

B) DIA has proven very useful this trip. I write this report as I return after seeing out a 18 yo spinner, who wanted to spend the night, and I'm embarrassed to say, I had to pull out of because I ran out of condoms, did not want to go bareback, and she wasn't ready to let go and for a couple minutes I was weak. She did not look at or count the money I gave. I could not keep up with her appetite unfortunately. What I wouldn't give to be young again. I also just cancelled on another spinner who was supposed to come over after work and spend the night. Can't keep up!

C) PL and Tantan, that have served me well in the past, did not work very well for me this time.

D) Massage agencies. Used a couple. Girls are good looking, young, toned and tall (make sure you make your requirements clear), but expect upwards of 5 k for boom-boom. The massage charges are around 2. 5 k in which you get 90-120 minutes of naked fun.

A few pictures attached.

Will be heading to Cebu. Any leads would be appreciated. Not much activity on the thread.

[Goferring]

So, if I am living with a poor pinay from the province, and she is my one and only girl. I slip her a few thousand pesos each week to help with her family.

Works both ways. Are you a lazy leech if she cooks, cleans and possibly tends to your kids by an ex? I doubt it.

Everyone gives and takes from a relationship regardless of how commercial or serious it is. I don't see any benefit in making generalist, one size fits all statements nor creating strict definitions or categories. Every relationship is different but one commonality is both he and she give and take something.

Enjoy. G.

[Steve Nash]

So, if I am living with a poor pinay from the province, and she is my one and only girl. I slip her a few thousand pesos each week to help with her family. She's 19, never been outside of her berg, and her only previous boyfriend was pinoy and never had 2 pesos to rub together. Will she stay with me if I don't give? Probably not. Is she a working girl?

She is a goldigger (not a working girl but a goldigger) if she leaves you after you stop giving her money. BUT if she stays with you after you stop giving her money then she is not a goldigger.

A somewhat different example. In my home country I dated (monogomy). She spent more than one night per week at my place. I routinely filled her vehicle with gas (way before it was $6 / gallon). Gave her a few gifts. Bought her clothes several times (including a work outfit she had to have, but didn't have money for it at the time). Gave her mom flowers. Helped her pay her car insurance more than once. Her fam was lower-middle class. Didn't really give her cash. Was she a working girl?

Of course she is not a working girl, you are just a generous boyfriend. BUT if you stop giving her any of those gifts and she leaves you because of that then again she is a goldigger.

If one gets married, he typically gives LOTS of money (in various forms) to his wife. A lot more than he would be giving to a girl he's dating, or to hookers. Are married men cheating themselves regarding their wives being working girls? If a girl I am dating and giving money to is a working girl, then I marry her, does her status change from working girl, to wife?

That's why if you are in a serious relationship you should not spoil her with money and make her see you as sugar daddy, because then she will become lazy since she doesn't need to work anymore because she is expecting that money from you.

For example before my wife give birth she was working until her fifth month of pregnancy, she wanted to keep working but I ask her to stop because she was complaining of getting tired easily and her tummy was getting bigger, in that case I have not problem supporting her, even before that I was paying for all the medical (remember this was way before I had decided to get married with her). If she wasn't pregnant that time I will not be supporting her because she can work plus she loves working and having her own money. The last few months she have been going to school, she took a caregiver program and also some medical courses, because once they come to Canada she will be a nurse here (she will have to study 2 years here of course), our plan is for both of us to work hard and buy a house, that's our goal in the next 5 years. Here houses are expensive the average house is 1 million Canadian dollars, so we both need to have good jobs, nurses are pay really good here so we should be fine buying a house in the future.

I think these are good questions. I am not sure there is a solid answer there. The differences between working girl, a pro, regular gals, and so forth are in degrees, not a solid line between them. In addition, people of different cultures can have differing opinions about the matter. For instance in the first example above where I was giving the pinay some money each week for the family. In the culture here, it is expected. The family would (justly) pull the girl from the boyfie if he suddenly cut off the money without good reason. Suggesting to her or her fam that she is a working girl would cause tears and pain (including mine, possibly).

In the second example, the girl in my country. Giving her money would clearly put her in the working girl category. To avoid that, it is given in the form of gifts, often times quietly (nobody will know that I gassed her car, or made a payment of some kind for her).

Location, location, location.

I think you guys are making up new terms because you are visiting a third world country and you are dating poor girls. Which is fine, each person can have their own terms I guess.

BUT for me, in my opinion there are 5 type of women:

1. Escorts / Prostitutes / Working girl / Sugar Baby / Pro or Semi Pro: These are the girls who have sex for money, no money no honey!

2. Goldigger: Someone who is using you for money, she can be your living partner or companionship (with sex or without sex). The difference with the Pro is that the goldigger can have a relationship with you unlike the Pro which is just money for sex. I will categorized your 2 first scenarios as having a relationship with a goldigger.

3. S*lut: These are women who loves sex alot and sleep with alot of guys (they never ask for money in exchange of sex), in a way all of us here are sluts or manWho*res because we love sex so much.

4. Normal girls / Good girls: These are women who are hardworker, independent, or going to school, they will never have sex for money or be a goldigger, some of them even get offended if you give them money for transportation, and the ones that accept money for transportation will accept only when they really don't have money, because if they have they will tell you, you don't have to pay me for my transportation next time, I will have money then. These type of women are with you because they love you and they have feelings for you.

5. Open Relationship girls: These are good girls / normal girls who at first sees you as a future partner but then later on found out that you are not ready for a serious relationship but they accept you anyways because they have feelings for you and they are hoping that someday you will change your mind and love them back (I have lots of these type of relationships, actually I've been in open relationships for almost 20 years in Canada and in anywhere in the world that I travel). Also these girls will never ask you for money, if they do in the future then they will become goldiggers, or even worse working girl. Just remember that in an open relationship you can sleep with anyone and she can also sleep with anyone, you can not control her and force her not to, she is free to dated anyone, that's why is call OPEN relationship. Some of my open relationships in Canada will be faithful to me and not dated other guys but is not good for me because I know they have feelings for me and they are in pain when they heard from friends that I have been with other girls the week prior that I didn't show up. That's why sometimes I rather they go sleep with someone else once a while so they won't be hurt too much. In Philippines I had alot of open relationships too, I would say for every 100 good girls I dated 20 of them became open relationship (20%) because after I told them (usually after the first sex) that I wasn't looking for a serious relationship or that I have a serious girlfriend, they were OK in meeting me again. By the way all open relationship eventually move on from you, it could be after afew months or after afew years (my longest open relationship was 4 years, and my longest serious relationship was 2 years, LOL). I always said Open Relationships are like Cancer, eventually they will catch up to you.

Anyways, now that I'm married and soon my wife and daughter will be here with me this year (hopefully this year, a friend of mine got sponsor in 7 months this year) I will stop posting here since I will be a good boy now, no more single trips which is fine with me, 20 years of open relationships is enough for me, I'm ready to settle down and see my daughter growth by giving her good examples in life, my wife is afraid that my daughter will be like me from the past (a manWho*re), specially since she has my genes and similarities 90% of the time (compare to 10% from my wife). I agree with her also and I hope she doesn't end up like me, that's why I want to change so if she ends up like me, it will be the new me, not the manWho*re that I was.

[CodeName47]

Location, location, location.

On that, we agree. I wrote about what I have seen in the Philippines mostly. I have had better experiences in other SEA countries.

I mostly agree with most of the scenarios you put forward. Money dealt after having a good relationship is something different that I love to do. But on the first visit having a 'GO / NO GO' based on money is something else. It's just my opinion.

Having said that, I prefer to go to brothels when there are no girls found to my taste online. I like Classics, Travel in Jakarta, and a few in Melbourne pre covid. I had a great lovely experience in Cebu in May this year. A great mid 20 years old working in a decent job and no money dealt directly. I did take her to her favorite Japanese restaurants and a few fine dining restaurants on the second / third visit. On my day of departure, gifted her CK perfume. On my next visit, even if she asks for money on my first day, I don't mind.

[WestCoast1]

I call them working girls if I pay as cash in any form, except genuine transportation in their own currency and in reasonably close to a cab fare. I dated girls who are still in a job and genuinely into it in both various countries. Some people have the desire to cheat themselves as f%$king pros and pretend a girlfriend.

So, if I am living with a poor pinay from the province, and she is my one and only girl. I slip her a few thousand pesos each week to help with her family. She's 19, never been outside of her berg, and her only previous boyfriend was pinoy and never had 2 pesos to rub together. Will she stay with me if I don't give? Probably not. Is she a working girl?

A somewhat different example. In my home country I dated (monogomy). She spent more than one night per week at my place. I routinely filled her vehicle with gas (way before it was $6 / gallon). Gave her a few gifts. Bought her clothes several times (including a work outfit she had to have, but didn't have money for it at the time). Gave her mom flowers. Helped her pay her car insurance more than once. Her fam was lower-middle class. Didn't really give her cash. Was she a working girl?

If one gets married, he typically gives LOTS of money (in various forms) to his wife. A lot more than he would be giving to a girl he's dating, or to hookers. Are married men cheating themselves regarding their wives being working girls? If a girl I am dating and giving money to is a working girl, then I marry her, does her status change from working girl, to wife?

I think these are good questions. I am not sure there is a solid answer there. The differences between working girl, a pro, regular gals, and so forth are in degrees, not a solid line between them. In addition, people of different cultures can have differing opinions about the matter. For instance in the first example above where I was giving the pinay some money each week for the family. In the culture here, it is expected. The family would (justly) pull the girl from the boyfie if he suddenly cut off the money without good reason. Suggesting to her or her fam that she is a working girl would cause tears and pain (including mine, possibly).

In the second example, the girl in my country. Giving her money would clearly put her in the working girl category. To avoid that, it is given in the form of gifts, often times quietly (nobody will know that I gassed her car, or made a payment of some kind for her).

Location, location, location.

[CodeName47]

I had a Latina ex here in Canada (we had an open relationship), she was young and hot, and she was from Costa Rica, her rich ex husband who bring her to Canada (they were processing their divorce that time), will go visit her once a month and fuck her, she told me she put up with the sex because if she doesn't he won't give her $3,000 for her and her kids (she had 2 younger kids) and he might get his house back and kick her out.

I only put up with her situation because she was very hot, BUT one day I had to hide when her husband came for his monthly change of oil, that was the last time I saw her, I ended with her after that because she told me in the past that her husband do business with shady people, that time I hide I swear he saw me but he didn't say anything (he was a crazy jealous guy, that's what she told me, so that's why I ended I didn't want any trouble).

Anyways 5 years later she text me and I'm surprise because I forgot her, she tells me that she miss having sex with me on top of her laundry while her kids are sleeping, everytime she pass her laundry machine she remembers me and she starts to masturbate.

Anyways to make it short, I got horny when she was describing me everything, so I said to her: "Let's meet this Sunday I'm free". And she goes: "Yes we can meet BUT you need to pay me now". And I'm like: "Excuse me? We fuck more than 10 times and now you want me to pay you, who are you? I don't recognized you anymore, are you a prostitute now?" She goes: "No, I'm not. I just got tired of men using me for sex only, so now when I go on dates once a week I decided to charge them, but don't worry I will give you a huge discount because you are one of my best fuckers". I was like: "Sorry something came up, I have to go bye".

Is she a Pro or semi-pro?

I know all my friends in Canada when they talk about her, they call her prostitute because she is charging for sex, even one of my friends became one of her loyal costumers, LOL.

I call them working girls if I pay as cash in any form, except genuine transportation in their own currency and in reasonably close to a cab fare. I dated girls who are still in a job and genuinely into it in both various countries. Some people have the desire to cheat themselves as f%$king pros and pretend a girlfriend.

[Poopbunny]

Anyone know what happened to most of the girls at the now closed Plan B?

I thought Plan B had the best looking girls.

I had most of their Viber / WhatsApp contact that I no longer valid, probably due to change of number.

I have a thing for girls with a tongue stud, and one of the girls there did.

[Philosophus]

Thanks all for the feedback.

I think a lot of comments here are about working girls, streetwalkers, or girls in the clubs. I've never spent $1 (that I know of LOL) on any such girl. I would never fuck some P. Burgos girl raw, and if I'm fucking, I'm fucking raw.

I very carefully screen out my girls to (hopefully) ensure they are not pros. I've been mongering 30 years all over the planet so I'm no novice to the game. I find my girls on Tinder, TanTan, and just walking the mall. I've learned that I can meet 18-25 yo girls from Manila on Tinder with a profile that says I'm 40 years old (I'm 54 - most girls I meet think I'm about 35) and just chat them up. I get them into text, and start heating up the flirting with more sexual talk. 7 out of 10 say "no thanks" but the other 3 are intrigued. I let them know I make good money and I drive a nice car and I live in a fancy condo in an upscale part of town. I invite them over to my condo and most say yes. Most don't ask for any money, but some ask if I'd be willing to help them. I've learned that the average female mentality is like this. I'm young and hot and guys want my pussy, so if I can fuck some guy and get a little money, then he's just "helping me out" or giving me a "donation", but I'm not a working girl, I'm not a prostitute. Seems pretty common among that age group these days when they connect with an older man.

The girls I'm meeting on Tinder or TanTan, I know immediately who the pros are because they are super aggressive. I get texts constantly asking if I want company tonight, if I'm busy right now, if I want a visit to my hotel room. I just unmatch those girls. The rest are looking for a long term relationship (unmatch), or they just want a friend or something virtual (unmatch) but then you have the girls who are attracted to the white man. I get them to texting and that's when I get very sexual to weed out the girls who are not looking for a hook up. The group that does want a hookup tends to be the hotter girls who have been Sugar Babies or know that they can get good money for their pussy and they ask for 10 k, 15 k, 20 k. But most are just young and dumb and curious to fuck the white man but also not afraid to ask for "a little help" financially. That's the sweet spot. Young, cute, not a pro, has not fucked many guys, and super curious to fuck a foreigner.

I have a few girls who ask for 3-5 k for help with groceries. I have another girl I see often and she's 7 k, but she is SMOKING HOT, educated, good job. Former Sugar Baby who initially asked me for 10 k per visit, and I said no, we settled on 7 k. A favorite is a girl I met at the mall who fucks me and asks no money, she just loves to be around me. I toss her 1-2 k occasionally to help with groceries. My problem is I get bored easily, and if I connect on TanTan with an 19-year old who is a full-time student, non-pro, super cute, and tosses out 10 k for raw sex with creampie and tells me she's only fucked 1 other guy before but she desperately needs money, I'll happily toss her $180. Is she lying? Maybe. Who cares? She's 19,5' tall, 95 lbs, with pony tails in her little catholic schoolgirl outfit fresh from class and now she's on her knees in a SoGo sucking my cock.

So while I appreciate the feedback that I'm paying too much to the working girls of Manila, I don't think we're talking about the same girls. In my post, Girl #1 asked for 1 k and I gave her 2 k. Girl #2 asked for nothing. Girl #3 is a former Sugar Baby looking for a new Sugar Daddy. She's used to getting good money for her time from her Daddy. She was hot, young, petite, and a great fuck. $180 is fine for her. Would I pay 10 k for some girl walking on P. Burgos Street or working at Dimples? LOL No.

I could not agree more. Thanks for detailed reporting with body data, (young) age and paraphernalia. Lucid writing makes for good reading.