Medellin Reports

[Osteoknot]

Gawd knows I can flog a dead horse into dog meat. Done that many times, here.

Your responses tell me a lot. I learn some. I get to see who I believe has some actual experience at this mongering game, perhaps even a little enlightened, open-minded, perceptive, and non-judgmental.

The responses I enjoy the most, as I have said many times, is when a "lurker" comes out of the shadows and makes a constructive comment. That is fun for both parties.

I posted earlier that this was not a serious topic but there is one very serious aspect to it. A point that so far no one has mentioned even briefly in passing.

Chica safety. Every theft I originally described involved either a gun or a knife. Except for the one chica in front of her apartment in Castilla and she got hurt the worst of all of them, rolled by a much bigger, tougher, stronger chica. The robbers in Medellin will shoot you in the face for simply uttering the word, "no" and nothing more. If you take home one message, remember that one.

These phones represent checkerboard pieces in my life. I am not here to impress anyone. There would be a problem if I were engaging in some of the behaviors I described and couldn't pay my mortgage. That's not what is happening here.

Helloooo, McFly! The asinine part to my behavior is that I was putting these chicas at real risk of real physical harm. Girls about whom I care, some of them deeply. That is the core issue.

I was shaken to my core when the chica who got robbed twice once by gun and then by knifepoint showed me a stun-gun she bought to defend herself. I broke down and started crying in front of her which I am prone to do anyway because of my brain injury called PBA which can make me very emotionally labile, at times. I told her she was more likely to get killed or injured from trying to use the stun gun than prevent any actual theft.

I have a friend in MDE who bought his hot novia a moto. Now she's a paraplegic due to a moto accident. He's a stand-up guy, he still takes care of her. I am not sure if I could handle it as well as he does. There is a parallel issue here when my novias are getting repeatedly robbed of phones that I bought them by perps using guns and knives.

This is why I have decided to stop the madness and not continue to repeatedly buy these chicas the iPhones they want, and instead get them the phones that will still get the job done, even if it's not their first choice. You guys did help me with this, here. All of you. Thank you for that. I am not making a financial decision but a chica safety decision. I agree the best Xiaomi Redmi phones are solid with a camera that will rival anything on the market for much cheaper.

Some random gratuitous fotos, celebrating perhaps a wiser man, me: The chica on the moto is Catgirl, my Numero Uno.

[Paulie97]

There will be others complaining about you do or mocking you for not paying what they pay. You don't know those anonymous people and you shouldn't care anything about what they say. Do what you want to do and don't worry about what others say. If you are happy with the outcome, keep doing what you're doing. Be true to yourself and pay what you want to pay.

As for overpaying, money is not same for everyone. If Bill Gates came to town and paid a girl $2000 US for two hours, you would say that he overpaid and is a sucker but Bill Gates wouldn't see it that way. He had a great time and the girl went all out for him. For Bill Gates, $2000 is nothing and he would probably feel guilty just giving her $50 for the great time she gave him because he has so much money. Not everyone coming to Medellin is pinching their pennies and living paycheck to paycheck.

If you want to give away new $600 phones by all means do so. The critiques are simply aimed to introduce doses of reality for the reading audience who may be considering but aren't yet committed to these practices. That phone isn't liable to last more than a month before it's stolen, pawned, or sold. Plus it's very doubtful that it will get you much more in the way of service while in many instances it will frame you as gullible and worthy of disrespect. Charity is good though, but even Bill Gates would do well to look elsewhere for that. I'd rather put a bulletproof vest on a Ukrainian. And not everyone who refuses to buy $600 gifts for hookers is pinching pennies, far from it, so scratch that one.

P.S. The Bill Gates P4 P analogy is forced. Billionaires aren't in Medellin hitting up hookers on the street, in clubs or in Facebook. If they buy sex at all they are ordering them up for their yachts in areas like the south of France. But even if they were in Medellin there's no point in paying $2000 an hour or 20 to 40 times the going rate, even if you want her to put in some extra effort. We don't see billionaires going to car lots insisting on paying 40 times the sticker price just because they have more money than they'll ever need. You can bet your life they don't "feel guilty" for paying sticker price. Plus such typically isn't in the DNA of the super rich as they didn't get that status by throwing $ away. It's usually the pretenders that toss money around to draw attention to themselves, are constantly telling everyone how well to do they are, and you'll find plenty of these giving away new IPhones to hookers. But again, knock yourself out and "don't worry" about what guys like me say if your mind is already made up. On that point we are certainly on the same page. Wink.

[Mtndew704]

That means you bought a phone for a chica who you did not trust in the first place and I would recommend against that. Read what Vitrea wrote, again. He says it better than I did.

Phone theft and black market phones are an epidemic in Medellin. That is one of the main functions you see the policia doing during random stops. They are checking for stolen phones using the IME number. I have posted about this before and have been with a chica who was with me and Catgirl during a routine policia check, and then carted off to jail because the super-cheap phone she bought from a vendor off the street did not show her as the registered owner.

Like Vitrea, I am not suggesting anyone else buy these chicas two cups connected by a piece of string. I have often said, the happiest mongerer is what I somewhat disparingly refer to as a "wet mudhole fucker" because they are satisfied with the least, but that's not me. Don't fault me for what works for me. I am having too much fun. Well, I was having fun until I returned to Pussy Prison.

I have never given a chica a phone. I'm also aware of the epidemic of the cell phone black market. Which is why I bring extras everytime I come down to offset my vacation costs.

[Osteoknot]

But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.

That means you bought a phone for a chica who you did not trust in the first place and I would recommend against that. Read what Vitrea wrote, again. He says it better than I did.

And BTW, super majority of robbery stories are true. It is extremely common in the barrios. It is so common that the girls get sad but not angry. Please don't assume that girls are lying. Some do sell their gifted phones and that is out of pure desperation. Like if they are getting thrown out of a place or someone in hospital etc. I had couple of girls tell me after they sold the phones I gave them. They were too embarrassed to tell me before that they need to sell a gift. For many of these girls, a good quality phone is almost their entire net worth. Parting with it is not easy.

Phone theft and black market phones are an epidemic in Medellin. That is one of the main functions you see the policia doing during random stops. They are checking for stolen phones using the IME number. I have posted about this before and have been with a chica who was with me and Catgirl during a routine policia check, and then carted off to jail because the super-cheap phone she bought from a vendor off the street did not show her as the registered owner.

Like Vitrea, I am not suggesting anyone else buy these chicas two cups connected by a piece of string. I have often said, the happiest mongerer is what I somewhat disparingly refer to as a "wet mudhole fucker" because they are satisfied with the least, but that's not me. Don't fault me for what works for me. I am having too much fun. Well, I was having fun until I returned to Pussy Prison.

[Osteoknot]

Unlike chicas with whom I have developed long term relationships, GZGTZ (Ground Zero Go-to-Girl) was new this last trip, pure puta, great sessions, never came to my hotel room, and accepted payment below FMV (Fair Market Value). I will include a few fotos.

She Whassaps me every day since I left a week ago. After a day or two, she starts saying that she has no money for food. I ask her what happened to all the money I gave her from our sessions and she said she used it to pay off debt. And get a new tattoo, I noticed.

I tell her no, not one peso. Not so amazingly, the next day she tells me her birthday is the following day and asks me if will I gift her? A lot of new girls will try this basic ploy especially if you repeat on them. Pretty obvious little con but worth it for them to try it in case they catch a beginner or a softie. I tell her to send me a foto of the front and back of her cedula (government ID) which is what you always want to see before considering any birthday "gifts".

She says she will but after two more days the cedula is a no-show. I ask her why and now she says her sister has it. I tell her is she ever wants to see me again to stop treating me like a stupid gringo. I tell her the only chance she has of seeing another peso from me is in person, after sex. She asks when? I tell her I don't know. She is not a chica I can trust, yet, if ever, and she gets treated accordingly. She writes she will wait for me.

[Vitrea]

I totally agree that what I do is rare and nor am I not saying that others should do what I do. Not at all. Like I said, it is my long game strategy. I would guess that less than 5% of the members here are into the long game. So for most people what I wrote may be irrelevant. It is just information. I didn't know anyone that does what I do until I read Osteoknot's post. This is a discussion forum so I was just sharing my own thoughts and tipping my hat to him.

The girls I am extra generous to are friends and not girlfriends. I actually tell them, . "Amigos con beneficios" and they get it. I have another life outside of Medellin. I am too busy to get involved in their private life. They can fuck who and when they want. So no illusions or delusions there. I do expect them to be somewhat available the days that I am in Medellin. I expect them to learn English and I give them resources and coach them. 30% follow through but I don't hold it against the ones that don't. I give them life advice if they ask. I have IG or FB as backup in case of number changes or robberies. And BTW, super majority of robbery stories are true. It is extremely common in the barrios. It is so common that the girls get sad but not angry. Please don't assume that girls are lying. Some do sell their gifted phones and that is out of pure desperation. Like if they are getting thrown out of a place or someone in hospital etc. I had couple of girls tell me after they sold the phones I gave them. They were too embarrassed to tell me before that they need to sell a gift. For many of these girls, a good quality phone is almost their entire net worth. Parting with it is not easy. And l don't care what a friend does with my gift as long the friendship lives.

BTW, The principal message in my post is friendship before gifts. "You give gifts to friends. You don't become friends because of gifts. " - Vitrea. Ja ja.

If it gets to the point where they are serving up themselves plus their friends to you for nothing but taxi money then a one or two year old Iphone might be a decent investment. That's very unusual in this game though, graduating from paid to "free," or all the sex plus their friends that you want for an Iphone. I'm confident this is very rare though, regardless of any anecdotes we may read here. Gifts are just that in the mind of a Latin hooker. You get a "mucho gracias" most likely then are charged the same for any sex going forward while they will become much less shy about asking for more gifts, material or monetary.

There's also the issue of them dropping off the radar as many lose their phones and pick up new numbers or abandon their FB accounts in lieu of new ones. Would suck to give away a $600 new IPhone then find yourself unable to reach them. Plus how long do you think that phone is going to last? If it's not stolen (big if) then in most cases it won't last beyond the next crisis at which time it's sold or pawned. Most have a crisis a month if not more.

Lastly, though there are always rare exceptions to all rules, the typical guy who thinks these girls are his friends is abundantly deluded. "This one is different," no, she almost surely is not. And yes, guys like myself who don't roll that way have a lot of fun like many others but avoid some avoidable headaches. Girls may like some guys who give them whatever they want, but they don't respect them. And even any personally liking will go down the shitter the moment the goodies stop flowing. So that's the other side of the argument, that has a place in an open forum as well.

Enjoy gentlemen.

[Vitrea]

Do you need to know spanish really well? I can get by on very elementary level. Do some girls speak english there?

You don't need any Spanish to have sex in Medellin. But basic Spanish is a must to have fun in Medellin. For the first few trips and for many people sexy equals fun so you're good. After that when you become a regular to Medellin, then you'll want to and start to have fun beyond the already amazing sex. And for that you need some Spanish. Of course that is pretty much true these days of Google translate, in any part of the world.

[MoonShot]

There will be others complaining about you do or mocking you for not paying what they pay. You don't know those anonymous people and you shouldn't care anything about what they say. Do what you want to do and don't worry about what others say. If you are happy with the outcome, keep doing what you're doing. Be true to yourself and pay what you want to pay.

As for overpaying, money is not same for everyone. If Bill Gates came to town and paid a girl $2000 US for two hours, you would say that he overpaid and is a sucker but Bill Gates wouldn't see it that way. He had a great time and the girl went all out for him. For Bill Gates, $2000 is nothing and he would probably feel guilty just giving her $50 for the great time she gave him because he has so much money. Not everyone coming to Medellin is pinching their pennies and living paycheck to paycheck.

[Knowledge]

This is what I was trying to say.

Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists. So I don't think it was intended as advice to go to other parts. The actual crime rate is highest in the downtown area. But for crimes targeting tourists of course that would happen in the areas where there are more tourists.

[PolloNegro]

I am posting to the guys who are wondering and wanting to learn what's really available in our Magical Medellin. Asti Out.

Oste really tries to help the new mongers. His stories seem so outlandish that they couldn't possibly be true? I have had the honor of hanging with him many times in Centro. I can tell you he was never in danger and I know danger in centro. The girls who I saw him with and the people who I saw him around posed no threat to him. They really treated him with respect and his is not a big brawny guy, he just knows how to handle himself around people and they respond respectfully to Oste.

I am posting the price of many of the phones in Medellin so that you can see the true value of a phone when you look at it from a Centro Rat's perspective. For kicks and giggles lets say you bought 40 phones into Colombia at a price tag of $1000 usd. Lets say you were able to sell everyone or if you were to trade every one or if you got robbed for a few, would it really matter?

I can personally tell you that I had a girl whom I really liked to keep a suitcase for me, so that I wouldn't have to travel with my suitcase on future trips. I was also testing her to see if she would steal the suitcase. Just as sure as Tuesday comes after Monday, I never saw the suitcase again and the suitcase had 8 brand new cell phones in the suitcase. Was I mad, no, did I bang the chic any more after that? Yes, but I never gave her an opportunity to have access to anything she could steal from me.

Now as Oste likes to say, Pollo, you are a true business man, I we have a running joke between us both. I just like to earn money when it is right in my face. So, imagine for every $25 usd you spend, someone pays you $175-$200 usd and you are saving them more than 50% on the price of the item in Colombia.

I won't beat a dead horse or explain the obvious, but there are some of us who are having a ton of fun in Medellin at a minimal price. I have been traveling to Colombia for 5 years, I now own a home, motorcycle, soon to buy a car, and who knows what is next. I paid attention, learned, paid my dues and stayed within the laws of Colombia and Medellin. If the loss of a couple of cell phones will have your underwear in a not, maybe you shouldn't be in the mongering game. You win some and you lose some. But you don't have to call your friendly board member a lie, because you are not able to accomplish what he is! Pollo Negro is out!

[Knowledge]

My stock response is that classic bit of Colombian insincerity: "que pena. ".

Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.

[Knowledge]

Everyone gets to decide for themselves. In general terms, more gringos means more gringo crime victims. In specific terms there are many kinds of gringos. Some are more prone to becoming victims than others. I believe it boils down to a risk / benefit equation. Certain behavior that attracts attention brings more risk. I'm ignorant of what associated benefit there may be but I am always interested in learning.

So go to the hood then?

[KrunkMan4]

I couldn't disagree more with this reasoning. It's true that opportunists go to areas like El Poblado looking for targets, but throwing yourself into the mix in high crime areas like Manrique and most areas of Bello with little police presence, loads of poverty and plenty of potential perps about for the most part carries higher risk, especially if you are out late partying and like most are unable to blend in. That said there's little stats for this as most foreign victims don't report the crimes. Plus there's little sampling in one respect as few are dumb enough to go up the hill to Manrique to party. Even remotely honest hookers would advise against it.

So moral of the story? Be wary of personal testimonies in monger forums. Many are unreliable, plus some are just in ISG posting for fun, making stuff up, and have never been to Colombia. Plus if true one person's limited experience is insufficient to draw conclusions as they could run out of luck tomorrow.

The whole "machismo" aspect of "I get girls to fuck for free with just my hard cawkkkk". Feels strong in this thread. There are those that seem well edtablished with evidence but like I said before the whole crabs in a barrel feeling between men is quite powerful which I find extremely obnoxious. There will never be a time when the average ham and egger 9 to 5 er in America will be like "lets go to Colombia" Because in any war torn country of the past there will always be dangers and 95 % of Americans or even Western Europeans can't handle an environment without extremely government over regulation to protect them from thier own stupidity and familiarity with a McDonalds to spoon feed them at every corner particularly in the US.

So this idea of needing to keep 2nd teir specific safety knowledge a secret aside from general knowledge is stupid. Obviously, there is 1st tier generalized safety knowledge but in an environment where crime is rampant and to a certain extent idealized. 2nd tier specific knowledge is invaluable.

[Surfer500]

Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money. It is a long game for me which is not so For many guys so it may not make sense for them to start doling out iPhones. I chose who I give to. She has to be pretty, no drama, never cancel on me, be smart. For example I organize parties and one of my steadies takes care of the entire logistics. She sends me photos and I approve some of her friends and invite few more of my own. She then organizes invites, RSVP, Rappi, taxi payments, late night pizza, party supplies and most importantly she keeps an eye on things, and make sure place is clean etc. They stay overnight for the price of ST. There is a real friendship element there and not just about the phone. Phone happens because of friendship and not the other way. So all outlier spending should have some context. I typically buy one or two models down from the latest and they are very happy with that. I bought nearly 20 phones in 5 years..

You sound as though you vetted your girls very well before giving these girls phones, and the pay off is huge.

Makes sense to me, but not everybody has had such luck. A lot of times guys get so enamored with the sex with these Chicas that they want them available, so hence buying them a phone makes sense before they've truly vetted them like you.

I've done exactly what you've done for a few of my Chicas, but it wasn't "I" phones, but a good $ 100 USD smart phone and the pay off has been huge, ie; the long game as you mention.

For guys totally enamored, getting a girl a used phone makes more sense, especially for the ones not vetted.

[Surfer500]

Saturday I decided to spend the night in Provenza with one of my Chicas whom I call Tall because she is tall. I like others her have nicknames as well for my Chicas based on their attributes.

I booked a room in a boutique hotel in Provenza of which there are a lot of them all over the area. I've stayed in several of them and consider a lot of them to be Love Hotel's, not in the sense you rent them for short time, but some are totally set-up for fucking meaning there is a king size bed, flat-screen TV, and aircon. Some of them have lots of mirrors, and I especially like the see thru showers at some of them. Kind of like perhaps Deseo's in Centro over half a century ago as far as the latest and greatest. I wonder some times if any of the mirrors on the ceilings there have ever fallen off, I'm sure they have. I've taken Tall to Provenza before, and the first time she was asking me what the mini-split AC unit was, what the exhaust fan in the bathroom was, and in one new place what the fire sprinkler system was. Of course she loved shampooing her hair, with hot water, and had never used a hair dryer before on her long beautiful hair.

Provenza is a barrio directly above the LLeras area with a lot of really good places to eat. My favorite there is Sombombi, and they hit it out of the park on Saturday. They change their menu every few weeks with some of the same, but always something unique on the menu. Last night I had some killer Sierra along with an incredible salad and a chicken dish. The place is very unpretentious, I've never seen a menu in English, but one or two people speak some English. The patrons are primarily Colombians, and the pricing is very reasonable as most dishes average about $ 10 USD. This place is very different than Carmen's and I think the food is just as good at a fraction of the price.

There are several other excellent places to eat in and around Provenza which I consider the fanciest part of Poblado for fine dining, versus the " dining dumps" in and around Parque Lleras. There's a bridge / intersection directly by the Quebrada that will have hundreds of tables / chairs set outside for dining in the streets as shown in the photo. To get to Provenza you walk up Calle 10 about four blocks up from Lleras and enter the area to the right, there will be a sign.

Forget going to Provenza to monger, you can go to the LLeras area for that.