Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[AssLover945]

I'm perfectly comfortable with that too.

I thought this was about brainstorming what the new money behind a possible reopened Snow White can do to fire up more customer interest and justify reopening the business. It wasn't for me. I have plenty of money for what I need and have so much BBFS+CIP available to me my biggest challenge is scheduling it to maximize my pleasure. Which from what I read is the only challenge most Thai punters have regarding BBFS+CIP.

And for less money and with more attractive girls than the rates paid and the girls I have seen at those supposedly PSE shops.

Virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years is looking for BBFS+CIP and where to buy it from the moment they hit the airport arrival area.

If the Snow White folks want to ignore that reality, can't compete, want to pretend that it isn't something most customers want and leave a ton of money on the table (as well as any and every girl in Snow White refusing to agree to it as his their right), that's their choice and also perfectly fine with me.

If all the so-called PSE shops in Thailand disappeared forever today and never reopened, it would not put a moment's glitch in the steady stream of BBFS+CIP every expat and visiting punter I know is getting from attractive 20's-30's year old girls they meet on TF or Tinder delivered to their door for less than 2,000 baht or perhaps for double that if seen in the flesh first in a gogo bar.

My point is it's going to take some pretty fancy new curtains and cushy new foam mattresses on the cots if Snow White, Tulip, Mango or whatever hope to compete and capture some of that BBFS+CIP trade money being spent everywhere else in town with young ladies who never even heard the term "PSE".

You have some perceptions about ladies being desperate enough to fuck BBFS to get money. Please keep those ideas to yourself. Snow white will continue its policy of protection as always and ladies will insist on condoms. You and your friends (all the expats you met and who want only BBFS), continue to pick up desperate hapless girls for your BBFS DATY. We the other group of sane people are least interested in a girl inside whom 5 wrinkly old guys have deposited their cum since morning.

[Gianni Versace]

Guys its been a while since I've been to a soapy in Bangkok. In the past I have been to Annies (Not a fan) and Cupidy. Cupidy was my favorite back in the day. They used to have discounted rates in the early afternoon. What are the best soapys in Bangkok now in your opinions? No Ladyboys. =(.

[Goatscrot]

Well, maybe it isn't entirely unrelated that we have PREP now. PREP is more effective than condoms to prevent HIV infection. It must be used properly though, daily for the girls being mandatory, while both on demand and daily are effective for punters.

Further a girl who is infected by HIV and on PEP (not PREP), and keeps her viral load under control (near suppression) represents no risks at all either.

So, jumping up and down chanting "use condom, use condom, use condom" is a bit ridiculous IMHO.

I think many of us are more worried about multi drug resistant gonorrhea, chlamydia, and other mycoplasmic infections that don't respond to treatment as opposed to HIV.

[PrincePoldi]

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[HorseTrader]

That should be a board Administrator 's decision.

Exactly! The administrator has made that decision and Eih Tooms has provided the link and copied the important text.

[Allover]

This website gets a lot of heat from everywhere, to the point where it cannot even get a credit card processor to accept memberships. BBFS should be kept private and silent. To blatantly post about BBFS exploits is irresponsible IMHO.

That should be a board Administrator 's decision.

[MomoFarang]

I could not agree more. In my two decades as a member of this form I can't ever remember a time where there was more discussion of BBFS than now. It definitely shouldn't be normalized but perhaps there should be a separate section created for it here in the Thailand forum so those that desire to discuss this can.

Well, maybe it isn't entirely unrelated that we have PREP now. PREP is more effective than condoms to prevent HIV infection. It must be used properly though, daily for the girls being mandatory, while both on demand and daily are effective for punters.

Further a girl who is infected by HIV and on PEP (not PREP), and keeps her viral load under control (near suppression) represents no risks at all either.

So, jumping up and down chanting "use condom, use condom, use condom" is a bit ridiculous IMHO.

[EihTooms]

This website gets a lot of heat from everywhere, to the point where it cannot even get a credit card processor to accept memberships. BBFS should be kept private and silent. To blatantly post about BBFS exploits is irresponsible IMHO.

A vocal minority has succeeded in exhausting the silent majority of forum participants on this topic. Reminds me a bit of the endless nose musings we had to endure a while back, or the poster who repeatedly lectured us on how to sexually satisfy a woman as though his approaxh was the best and only way.

Agreed. Until such time: the ignore function is your friend.

SL.

It's weird how no condom use has become normalized on this board. Based on actually talking to people, I suspect it's just a few individuals here posting relentlessly, not a representative cross section of mongers.

This practice is indeed reckless and harmful to the girls and fellow mongers. I don't expect it to ever stop entirely, but it certainly shouldn't be normalized.

Thailand had a huge AIDS problem in the 1990's, with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. While not a death sentence anymore (to those who can afford and stick to treatment), it's still life-changing, expensive and highly unpleasant. Antibiotic-resistant STDs are no the rise too. Many thanks, BBFS people.

I could not agree more. In my two decades as a member of this form I can't ever remember a time where there was more discussion of BBFS than now. It definitely shouldn't be normalized but perhaps there should be a separate section created for it here in the Thailand forum so those that desire to discuss this can.

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[Sunlover2]

I could not agree more. In my two decades as a member of this form I can't ever remember a time where there was more discussion of BBFS than now.

A vocal minority has succeeded in exhausting the silent majority of forum participants on this topic. Reminds me a bit of the endless nose musings we had to endure a while back, or the poster who repeatedly lectured us on how to sexually satisfy a woman as though his approaxh was the best and only way.

It definitely shouldn't be normalized but perhaps there should be a separate section created for it here in the Thailand forum so those that desire to discuss this can.

Agreed. Until such time: the ignore function is your friend.

SL.

[Goatscrot]

It's weird how no condom use has become normalized on this board. Based on actually talking to people, I suspect it's just a few individuals here posting relentlessly, not a representative cross section of mongers.

This practice is indeed reckless and harmful to the girls and fellow mongers. I don't expect it to ever stop entirely, but it certainly shouldn't be normalized.

Thailand had a huge AIDS problem in the 1990's, with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. While not a death sentence anymore (to those who can afford and stick to treatment), it's still life-changing, expensive and highly unpleasant. Antibiotic-resistant STDs are no the rise too. Many thanks, BBFS people.

I could not agree more. In my two decades as a member of this form I can't ever remember a time where there was more discussion of BBFS than now. It definitely shouldn't be normalized but perhaps there should be a separate section created for it here in the Thailand forum so those that desire to discuss this can.

[Crocodilexp]

I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them.

It's weird how no condom use has become normalized on this board. Based on actually talking to people, I suspect it's just a few individuals here posting relentlessly, not a representative cross section of mongers.

This practice is indeed reckless and harmful to the girls and fellow mongers. I don't expect it to ever stop entirely, but it certainly shouldn't be normalized.

Thailand had a huge AIDS problem in the 1990's, with deaths in the hundreds of thousands. While not a death sentence anymore (to those who can afford and stick to treatment), it's still life-changing, expensive and highly unpleasant. Antibiotic-resistant STDs are no the rise too. Many thanks, BBFS people.

[EihTooms]

I use this tip method to get all sorts of extras. For example.

Me: Do you do anal / allow photos / CIM / etc / etc?

Girl: No I would never do that.

Me: How about for a tip?

Girl: I would try it for $xxx.

Negotiate it from there.

I have found you can negotiate whatever filthy kinky desire you want with a Thai girl for a relatively small amount and she will be happy after because she has earned a bit extra.

Of course. It was always so even with the hottest girls in the business, including for BBFS+CIP, as long you are willing to negotiate longer and pay enough extra. Things I admit I have only so much patience for these days considering the likely result.

It might not go that way with every punter and with every girl. But certainly with every girl for some punters.

The latter statements being so because, as in the pre 2010 Good Old Days of supposedly mostly beautiful Thai hookers as well as today with mostly "horrorfying" gogo girls even in the top rated bars (according to some), the best lookers can easily choose to go with and fuck devoted condom wearing customers who will pay them their asking rate and more any day or night.

No above average looking Thai hooker and certainly no stunner needs to say Yes to anything you, Gilolo, I or any other expat or visiting punter I know or don't know asks of them for the money.

For other reasons maybe. But not just for the money.

[EihTooms]

And when we read posts like this we don't need to wonder why the locals here don't want foreign men fishing in their pond. And why so many establishments in Japan are off limits to foreigners. And honestly, this takes the best looking girls available off the table. Every time I go in the Go-Go's which has been a couple times in the past month I'm pretty horrified by what I see. Even in the supposed better establishments. Guess I understand why those girls feel the need to provide BBFS at this point.

I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them. This is especially true of local punters and from those I know Asian punters in general including East Asians and South Asians. When one uses the local online services, worries about STDs are in many ways minimized because if you get a reputation for trying to get BBFS then you're going to get blacklisted. As I stated before, I for one am very comfortable with this and think it's great.

You're not really trying to suggest that in the Good Old Days you rhapsodise about having all those beautiful gogo bargirls that all came to a screeching halt about 10 years ago all the punters were wearing condoms, even the very old dudes you envied way back when because they had the hottest of the hot girls available?

Seriously?

[Goatscrot]

Pulling percentages out of the air regarding all expats and punters arriving in Thailand is fun. But, as has been stated, it is only a guess.

However, as you see in your quote of me, I was only referring to "virtually every expat and visiting punter I have met over the years. " Of them, dozens, I can only say that when they tell me the girl they took last night agreed to BBFS+CIP, it sure sounds like they finally struck the gold they bought a flight ticket to find.

So far, I have never heard one say anything like, "dammit, that girl I took last night ruined the whole session by forcing me to go bareback. I didn't come here for that"!

On the other hand, several have stated they aborted the mission with this or that lady and had to switch to BJ or HJ because she insisted on a condom for FS. Seems to me the main reason any of them bother to repeat a girl, and many times at that, is because she gave him BBFS+CIP.

So, conclude from that what you will.

Now, even I can't extrapolate that to mean every expat and punter I have met must have BBFS+CIP and only that with every girl they take or their trip is ruined. They can certainly achieve a steady stream of it. But that does not mean it must be that exclusively every time. No more than anyone can extrapolate from what I post that I am getting BBFS+CIP from every girl I meet, want, take, whatever and it must be that exclusively every time. I like BBBJ+CIM, too.

Far from it in my case. I don't think any other poster here has owned up to as many rejections and refusals on BBFS+CIP as I have. I am nowhere near the "75% - 100%" guys who post about such success rates on the Thai forums.

Now, as long as we're playing percentage guessing games, I will still return to only the dozens of expats and visiting punters I have met and known here and state that, excluding the few guys I have met through ISG, only one has ever even heard of places like Snow White, Tulip and Mango. And that one fellow punter only heard of Snow White. He was a fan of the place and would go there every 2-3 days, always repeating the same girl every time. Why? It turns out it was because she agreed to BBFS+CIP with him.

Interestingly, I will also state that of all the expats and visiting punters I have met and known here, including the few guys I have met through ISG, only 1 ever mentioned being remotely interested in scoring and smoking some weed while he was here.

Therefore, if someone had told me three months ago that within 90 days there will be more pop up tables, street carts, trucks and shops openly selling cannabis / weed throughout Thailand than all of the so-called PSE Happy Ending Sex Shops that ever existed in the tourist areas of Bangkok and Pattaya combined, including a booth set up for it on the ground floor of Terminal 21 Mall just a few weeks ago in a Farm Products promotion weekend, by golly I might have said there is no way that would happen and that such an assertion was madness.

And I would have been wrong.

And when we read posts like this we don't need to wonder why the locals here don't want foreign men fishing in their pond. And why so many establishments in Japan are off limits to foreigners. And honestly, this takes the best looking girls available off the table. Every time I go in the Go-Go's which has been a couple times in the past month I'm pretty horrified by what I see. Even in the supposed better establishments. Guess I understand why those girls feel the need to provide BBFS at this point.

I guess the men I know here are quite a bit different than the men you know, as the vast majority of them use condoms for intercourse not only for their own health because they respect the health of the girls and the punters that are going to come after them. This is especially true of local punters and from those I know Asian punters in general including East Asians and South Asians. When one uses the local online services, worries about STDs are in many ways minimized because if you get a reputation for trying to get BBFS then you're going to get blacklisted. As I stated before, I for one am very comfortable with this and think it's great.