American Politics

[JustTK]

Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it?.

It wasn't meant to, was it?

You said smthg was not possible based on me using the word "reverse". I showed you how it ws. My example was effectivlety what has happened, regardless of my lack of intention to make it so. Your rebuttal was against federal wage changes. My original question and explanation wwas about real wage changes / different beast.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Be careful out there, many of those putas are fake.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/fl...09/id/1086822/

[Cali Guy]

Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it? It seems rather disingenuous to make up with an example that supports your position. But that's what you do, isn't it? The federal minimum wage was introduced be a Democrat in the late 1930's. Repubs have never actually lowered it, not once. So your example is BS.

The "real world" federal minimum wage ought to be about $21 USD per hour if the minimum wage were tied to productivity which it used to be prior to 1968) although probably quite unintentionally). https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimu...-productivity/.

In truth, the federal minimum wage has been raised 23 times since it was introduced. Can you hazard a guess as to how many of those 23 times Republicans had control of Congress? 2 (two) times. The means twice. It also means that 21 out of 23 times the minimum wage was raised when Democrats had control of Congress. That means that over 90% of the time. Democrats raised the minimum wage and less than 10% of the time Republicans raised the minimum wage. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ery-time-cong/.

I have already said that the minimum wage ought to be higher. And yes, Democrats ought to shoulder some of the blame for that. However, the current crop of Republicans (the "just say no" crowd) has refused to do any actual governing since 2008. They have continually voted against raising the minimum wage to anything near what it ought to be. Please feel free to provide any examples whatsoever to the contrary. That means actual examples where Republican Senators and Congresspeople have said something like "I believe that the Federal minimum wage ought to be well over $15 per hour".

I agree that minimum wage should be on productivity and it is in most republican states. If it were on productivity everywhere republican workers will be making $25 per hour and democrats $5 or less. You are right dead beat lazy democrats should be paid on productivity and many states do pay them that way.

[Cali Guy]

No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.

You are right especially about the illegals and criminals thinking Biden presidency is better than Trump. California proves this point. And yes it is a huge benefit for our enemies like the Taliban and Iran. Biden gave the Taliban $85 Billion in advanced weapons and Biden continues to support Iran even though Iran says death to America. There is a huge possibility that the people who dispute this will be illegals, criminals or foreigners.

[Spidy]

IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.

I probably pay more taxes than Trump does. As do you.

A special message just for you:

https://youtu.be/BJ0vPIo9eyY

As if Donnie J. Dummkopf paid his "real" taxes (...kkkk!). The only taxes I, see him paying, are those commensurate with any tax cheating grifter, which probably ain't much.

Only the QAnon\Repub\Bothsidesists Trump-Humping, "slave-hordes", would believe that Trump actually made money at any of his businesses, to the tune of a billion dollars. Perhaps they took their schooling at Trump University (another failure, BTW).

If Donnie J. Dummkopf (aka.Agent Orange), is in fact now a billionaire, he only become one in the last 4-5 years.

Meaning he become a billionaire, primarily through two (2) grifts. First, from WH under the table bribes from places like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey ...etc, most likely for those top secret/classified documents (illegally obtained), that he left behind in his hotel room while visiting.

Secondly, on the "backs of slave-hordes" of the QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists feckless cult-faithless. With all the MAGA "Save America", "Stop the Steal" or "...If you UNCHECK this (monthly contribution) box, we will tell Trump, you're a DEFECTOR and have sided with the Dems" email campaigns, he was able to bilk hundreds of millions from his gullible donors.

So thanks to the grifting while in office the gullible orange cult-faithless, yeah...I think he's a billionaire, now.

[EihTooms]

No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.

Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover

https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-ec...-since-hoover/

Fact check: Chart of job growth by president shows historic unemployment under Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rt/6177339002/

Trumps Final Numbers
Statistical indicators of President Trump's four years in office.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/

A sampling of the highlights:

-The economy lost 2.9 million jobs.

-The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.

-The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.

-The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.

-The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

-Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.

-Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.

-Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.

-The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

Last Trump Job Approval 34%; Average Is Record-Low 41%

https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/...ecord-low.aspx

[EihTooms]

I think what you actually did was change the subject again. I was talking about federal minumum wage, and you changed the subject, as you always do. Pointing at a few places that have ignored the federal minumum wage and then claiming that's a great thing, just shows how shallow the claim is. I would agree that there are a few good eggs in the Dem basket but as a party they are shlt. Bcos a few good actions by one or 2 folks, pale in to insignificance when you take the actions of the federal government as a whole.

Here are the two previous times you made your point / stated your contention. Nowhere does the phrase "Federal minimun wage" appear:

USA minimum wage a disgrace
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-...ears-ago-.html

Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.

My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?

I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.

Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.

Dems have raised the minimim wage IN THE USA many times over the years, quite recently in fact, in some of the most highly populated cities and states IN THE USA.

[PVMonger]

Trump did have more people working pre pandemic than Biden government has now. People are returning to their old jobs slowly and in democrat states like California it is difficult to get workers because of all the government handouts. California is 70 % democrats and half of them see either deadbeats or on welfare. Biden policies are killing small businesses. It is going to be very difficult for them to raise wages when they are struggling to survive with inflation and regulations.

"Trump did have more people working pre pandemic than Biden government has now." Only in your dreams: https://www.statista.com/statistics/...united-states/.

Why do you continue to fabricate stuff when a 15-secods internet search will turn up hundreds if articles that show that you are full of it?

[PVMonger]

Your pendantry is not a good look PVM. Let me give you an example to show you how it would work:

Minimum real wage is introduced by Dems. Made up figure, lets call it USD 2. Reps get in power and reduce it to USD1. 50. Dems get in power and raise it to USD 3. Reps get in power and reduce it again to 2. 50. Dems get in power and reverse oiut the Rep chaneg back to USD 3. Overall net effect is that Dems have reversed out both Rep cuts (one of them directly) and that real wages have gone up. You can see how it would work now?

Instead, what we got was Reps making big cuts to real miniimum wage, and Dems doing nothing or making insignificant / insufficient raises in real wages.

Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it? It seems rather disingenuous to make up with an example that supports your position. But that's what you do, isn't it? The federal minimum wage was introduced be a Democrat in the late 1930's. Repubs have never actually lowered it, not once. So your example is BS.

The "real world" federal minimum wage ought to be about $21 USD per hour if the minimum wage were tied to productivity which it used to be prior to 1968) although probably quite unintentionally). https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimu...-productivity/.

In truth, the federal minimum wage has been raised 23 times since it was introduced. Can you hazard a guess as to how many of those 23 times Republicans had control of Congress? 2 (two) times. The means twice. It also means that 21 out of 23 times the minimum wage was raised when Democrats had control of Congress. That means that over 90% of the time. Democrats raised the minimum wage and less than 10% of the time Republicans raised the minimum wage. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ery-time-cong/.

I have already said that the minimum wage ought to be higher. And yes, Democrats ought to shoulder some of the blame for that. However, the current crop of Republicans (the "just say no" crowd) has refused to do any actual governing since 2008. They have continually voted against raising the minimum wage to anything near what it ought to be. Please feel free to provide any examples whatsoever to the contrary. That means actual examples where Republican Senators and Congresspeople have said something like "I believe that the Federal minimum wage ought to be well over $15 per hour".

[Canada]

Businesses, workers, jobs creation, wages, national security, the stock market, the health and well-being of the American people, everything is better today than it was on January 19,2021.

No comparison.

No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.

[JustTK]

the report link I provided schooled you..

I think what you actually did was change the subject again. I was talking about federal minumum wage, and you changed the subject, as you always do. Pointing at a few places that have ignored the federal minumum wage and then claiming that's a great thing, just shows how shallow the claim is. I would agree that there are a few good eggs in the Dem basket but as a party they are shlt. Bcos a few good actions by one or 2 folks, pale in to insignificance when you take the actions of the federal government as a whole.

[JustTK]

You clearly wrote "reverse out". When one "reverses out" something, that mean that the "thing" to be "reversed out" already exists. For example, you have a bank balance of $500 USD. A deposit of $200 USD is made. The bank later decides that the $200 USD deposit was made in error. The bank "reverses out" the deposit. What are you left with? $500 USD.
You claim that Democrats could have "reversed out" what Republicans did.

Your pendantry is not a good look PVM. Let me give you an example to show you how it would work:

Minimum real wage is introduced by Dems. Made up figure, lets call it USD 2. Reps get in power and reduce it to USD1. 50. Dems get in power and raise it to USD 3. Reps get in power and reduce it again to 2. 50. Dems get in power and reverse oiut the Rep chaneg back to USD 3. Overall net effect is that Dems have reversed out both Rep cuts (one of them directly) and that real wages have gone up. You can see how it would work now?

Instead, what we got was Reps making big cuts to real miniimum wage, and Dems doing nothing or making insignificant / insufficient raises in real wages.

[JustTK]

"bothsidesist", "neithersideist", "fence walker" or whatever you're calling yourself, it may
behoove you, to "equally" (according to your so called "bothsidesism" doctrine), put that same zeal and energy into criticizing the "Repubs" BMs posts and I'm sure that they will perhaps relieve you of your boredom.

I am not calling myself any of these terms. These are all silly terms that you folks have made up so that you have a label to attack.

I would attack the Reps if they were doing anytihng bad, but since they are not in power. If you look back at my comments, I have only ever said Trump (or Chump, as I like to call him) is a naracissist liar. But, as I have equally said, this should not deflect from the awful track record of the Dems.

[EihTooms]

My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?

I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.

Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.

And your pro Repub "Bothsiderism" contention turned out to be 100% incorrect, as the report link I provided schooled you on the fact that Dems in Dem states and cities have been raising the minimum wage for quite some time despite Repub leadership passionately opposing it.

And then Repub Trump, who is just one of the Repub "leaders" who passionately opposed it, demonstrated his typical hypocritical Repub gall to take credit for minimum wages going up for women and minorities when all data points and evidence shows his crap economic policy and stewardship did not have a damn thing to do with it.

However, it did have everything to do with his pathetic economic under performance relative to the 11 most recent presidents even during the "Best of Trump Times" and then wiping out millions upon millions of jobs when all of Trump's crap economic policies and stewardship came to full Disastrous Repub fruition months before the worst across-the-board hand-off in history to incoming Biden.

[EihTooms]

Yes when Trump was crowing about his economy businesses were doing better. They were paying higher wages and giving bonuses. Under Biden policies companies are not doing good. Inflation and regulations are killing them. If you say everyone was making more money because all the democrat states raised their minimum wages then it is only the Republicans states that didn't. Are you saying republicans aren't getting high enough wages? Why are you worried about republicans states? People in republicans states get paid proportionally higher because they work harder. Why should a lazy dead beat democrat be guaranteed a higher wage for his poor performance?

Businesses, workers, jobs creation, wages, national security, the stock market, the health and well-being of the American people, everything is better today than it was on January 19,2021.

No comparison.