Jakarta

[Pouet017]

As told previously somewhere in this forum, I finally arrived in Jakarta at the end of September for a few days.

Thanks to Zanny's map, I tried some massage salons and clubs and New Sari Ayu was the one which I spent most of my evenings (subject of this report).

The first time I went to S. A (short name used by the girls) I was quickly grabbed by a mamasan who take care of me: she instantly proposed to find a girl "slim, young, big boobs" (obviously the standard search) : 400 K rupiah for 1 girl, 1 hour, 1 shot.

OK for this search, told mamasan that I'll get a beer (1 M rupiah for a big bottle of Bali Hai) and make a round: all girls (about 30 to 40 girls) were packed in a small area. Go back to my seat and mamasan showed me a perfect search match: slim, young, big boobs.

Google translate is the saviour: after small talk using my phone, share my beer with the lady, we go upstairs. Girl and service were good, she seems to appreciate spending time with me, moaning and shaking seems not to be fake.

Reproduced the same pattern from 2 to 3 times per evening during 3 evenings: beer, share beer or pay a drink to the lady, talk with google translate, upstairs, tip the lady from 100 K to 200 K (depending how the service was).

I also had some nice talks with the barmans (with google translate) : very friendly and discussions let me some rest after a session with a girl before renewing the experience.

I usually buy a small Bali Hai beer for 46 K rupiah and let the remaining 4 K in the tips box. Before leaving the bar, I give a bigger amount in the tip box because they were very friendly: they sometimes share with me their meals to let me taste indo eating's.

About the ladys, usually young and nice looking, most of them appreciate time spent with me, one of her told me that I gave her her 8th orgasm (very funny situation, because she was so shy at this time that she took time to write it on my phone with my google translate app).

Another unusual situation, one of the ladies likes me so much that she proposed me a date: we spent some time together (speaking all the time with google translate: I looked like a deaf and mute person), ordered food in my hotel room with GoFood and have s*x multiple times. Much more like a sugardating than a regular dating, but I'm ok with that.

She told me that I began to have a reputation among the girls; they called me "Perancis" (is my first name, Perancis is French in Bahasa).

Haha, Jakarta was fun, so sad to leave this city.

[Tacoma101]

I arrived at KC around 8 pm. Entry was smooth. Clean place. Modern.

They put a sticker over your camera lens on your phone to ensure no pictures. *.

78 k entry. Pay upon exit. They issue a a card to charge for everything, including the girls.

First floor pool tables. 8 chicas lounging or with guys. Some looked good. Most seemed bored. I got the impression this was where the girls went that were on their periods haha. *.

Hotel second floor. I didn't see any of the rooms but I was told by one chica that they are very clean.

Massage and theatre third floor. I was told this wasnt used anymore.

Third floor is the club with a lot of tables and music. 30 plus women, dressed well, lounging around, all on one side. Super super reasonable prices for food and drinks. Food menu is limited though. Beer selection is light as well. Lots of choices for bottles. Maybe 5 dudes on this floor at 8 pm.

Waiters and all workers super friendly. Basic English. Cocktails around 240 k.

You sign receipts for everything you order. Love that.

The club level is somewhat smoky. I'm sure it gets worse with more people.

Mamasan roams around and will bring a girl or a group of girls over for a line up at your table. She was quick to use her translator.

Don't expect the women to speak anything beyond very basic English.

A group of 5 dancers with matching outfits, danced. Lingerie. Danced a million songs and didn't get naked. Lame.

Live music on this Tuesday night. Maybe every night?

By 10 pm the girls remaining on the couch look worn out from sitting all night smoking and just scrolling on their phones.

Super passive ladies on the couch. * I really only talked to one chica and she said there are categories of women. The dancers are the most expensive to take to the room. 1,250,000. The other categories are 350 k and 1,100,000. I didn't confirm this with mamasan. *.

Only the dancer category is obvious as they are dressed as a group. The Mamasan will tell you which category a girl is in. No clue what the system is but it seems shady.

I asked the chica I talked to if she changes categories and she said yes. **.

On this night 2 sets of 5 dancers*.

Chica said most girls have worked there 2-3-4 years*.

Closes at 2 am, google wrong*.

I left just before midnight. 700 K total damages with food and a lot of beer and drinks for the one chica I sat with but didn't take to a room.

Misc.

Community comb in the bathroom. Nasty.

DJ looks like he is working out of a buffet table. Haha.

MTR2- Bar around the corner.

Beers more expensive.

But it's much more of a party scene. Girls free to roam and drink and a cool female DJ.

Smoky AF.

Enjoy.

Taco.

[Member #3088]

You seem to have touched upon one of the paradoxes of our craft here. Whilst we are happy to spread our seed far and wide. The other side is generally known to be searching for security, money, babies, happiness, travel and shopping experiences.

Could there be something in your profile that doesn't explain sufficiently what you are hoping to find in Indonesia? Or are you able to satisfy some of these whilst making clear that the babies and marriage might be contingent on a number of other things falling into place.

The truth is, you guys put in all this "thrill of the chase", preliminary work and it all goes out the window when you land because it's always a dynamic situation on the ground. If it keeps you happy go hard but it's mostly all blah blah blah.

OS has a strict policy of "Try before you buy" for any ladies who may wish to procreate with his magnificent genes. You may wish to communicate this a little more clearly to your keyboard liaison's.

Hope that helps.

Yes, mostly blah blah blah that is hard to disentangle from real intent. Indonesians are masters of mind reading and evasion, and this is well nigh impossible to explicate via texting. Even with many years of experience and fluency in Indonesian, it can be hard to have a meeting of minds. Nontheless, having engaged in several LTRs here, the sex is astonishing -- self-lubricating pulsating pussy sensational BBBJCIM, etc, a dream not attainable in US, Australia, or Europe for someone of my age. And how much of what we get from western women is 'blah blah blah'? A lot, really, but advertised as 'honesty'. Superficial, at best. At least Indonesian women have the self awareness to know that are negotiating, and re-negotiating with the likes of us. And if many of us are often out-gamed and out-played, the pursuit is great fun, as always incisive OS notes.

[SteveMat]

Has anyone tried Blowart at Kelapa Gading? How are the facilities, the girls and the service?

Here are some of my thoughts.

1. Almost impossible. The scene is too spread out. Check out Zanny's Jakarta map and you can see why.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...062800591&z=12

That being said, Mangga Besar area is a good central place and you could be in walking distance of a few places like Hotel Travel and DK Mabes. Classic and Malio would at least be an ojek ride.

Some budget hotel suggestions, Sparks Hotel and Hotel Permai. Novotel Gadjah Madah or Grand Mercure Harmoni are western quality. Harris Vertu is also nice.

2. There aren't any western style strip clubs in Jakarta. Or Thailand / AC style go go bars. Ladies typically sit around on couches or chairs and wait to be picked. You can also bring them to a table, buy them a drink and chat with them. They don't make money off the drinks like they do in AC or Thailand. So take them upstairs and fuck them or cut them loose.

Malio Hotel and King Cross use to have all nude dancers, but I think those days are gone. Classic after a certain hour has drink **** type roaming dancers where for 50 K they may pull out their tits and let you feel them up for a few minutes. Malio still has the drink **** ladies too for 65 K in the club area in the back. The dancers on stage at Malio typically aren't completely nude anymore. But at least you can look at dancers. Classic may also still have some dancers to look at after a certain hour. They usually rotate between a band and dancers.

3. A lot of the fucking in Jakarta is on site. You can book ladies out from King Cross, Travel, Classic etc. But it tends to be a lot more expensive than the on site options. For example. 1 on site fuck at Classic is either 350 or 385 K. I booked out a lady from Classic recently I think for 7 X 350 K till 8 am the next morning. I got my money's worth. Almost any of the mainstream places here talked about should have a BO (booking out) if you click with the lady and she agrees to go with you. Talk to the mamasan for the price. It will vary depending on what time it is. It gets cheaper later. I would at least take the lady upstairs once though to see how you get along and how the sex is. I wouldn't just start with the booking.

4. Avoid karaoke and the nightclubs then. But you could still try options like Basque or Bats (if they are open) and just just talk to the ladies and ask them how much they want. Lots of freelancers there.

5. This isn't the ripoff coyote dancer scene on Soi Cowboy in Thailand or Fields in AC where you run in cherry girls who don't barfine. If there are ladies at a place in Jakarta, they fuck and that is why they are there. Some may be onsite fucking only. But you can fuck. But a lot of places have BO if you ask and are willing to pay.

Blok M is dead as far as I am aware. If the's Place in Blok M is still around (I haven't been there in years) they have dancers and a private room in the back where you could get frisky with the ladies. But I would not go to Jakarta to spend time at Blok M.

Mangga Besar is where you want to stay with a trip out to Kelapa Gading and King Cross, MTR2, Vermouth, Sumo etc.

Also check out one of the Blowart places if you want a BBBJCIM.

[Goferring]

Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali..

Check your PMs. Speaking Bahasa would widen the field but will not be a show stopper for you. Personally, I would be targeting the more civilian / part-time end of the market. SA, and to some extent Tinder, generally have the more beautiful but far more commercial end of the market. This not only affects price expectations but also service levels, especially when she knows you are stuck with her and have very few options to return / exchange her once in Bali A quiet girl, who has never seen a plane seat before will be awe struck and say thanks in all the right ways. A girl who has seen numerous Business Class flights to Dubai, not so much.

Civilian options are Indonesian Cupid, Facebook, and even food halls in malls. Don't discount simply meeting girls in malls, food halls, McDs etc. Indonesians are amazingly approachable if you are reasonably out going, respectful and chatty. Asking a girl to help showing you around or translating can be a great ice breaker / leg opener.

Enjoy. G.

[Aster14]

Hello all, currently planning a trip for Jan 2023, and am considering adding Indonesia to the list for 5 - 7 days. I've been reading through the Jakarta and Bali forums, was wondering if the seniors can offer any advice / recommendations.

Seems like the activities are generally more decentralized and online in Jakarta compared to BKK. Would you guys strongly recommend against staying in central Jakarta? I'm currently looking at the JW Marriott or Hyatt as I have status with them, but they seem quite far away from the locations mentioned in this thread.

Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali.

Any other advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

[Ggekko2009]

If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always be high class escort courtesans, etc. Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, Kingcross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
The Rate of US$300 that we area talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie stars, celebrities. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted is coming from reputable site for professionals.
I am very familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??

I don't disagree with you on some aspects. I have mentioned that it depends on what kind of girl one is looking for. There are the down market like KI or Classic where girls sold and work out of contractual bondage and from the kampung. Then there are freelancers and the sugar babies from the city. Since you speak Bahasa, then I assume you know more about Jakarta than originally thought and know what I am talking about. The rate expectations have definitely increased significantly since covid. Also, I don't think $300 will get one anywhere close to any movie stars and celebrities, LOL. Also, wealthy Indonesians usually tend to keep their own sugar babies locally.

[Adindas]

Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.

I know it is a common practice that Indonesian people do not use protection when they visit a brothel, spa, or RLD in Indonesia all the time Indonesia. I also know that the majority of the girls in the brothels, spas, or RLDs, night clubs never ask for it when people do engage in unprotected sex, BBFS - CIP.

Some foreigners are engaging in BBFS. CIP as they might forget about the risk of getting life threatening infections. But the point here is that HIV testing is for both parties, not only for the the men but also for the girls.

Also differentiate between getting regular test for STD like Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, etc are not the same with getting HIV test. These tye of disease infections could easily be recognised even without doing testing. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get regular HIV test, there would be many more people would want to engage in unprotected sex without hesitation.
I never heard that sex workers in Indonesia get regular check for HIV. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get HIV test regularly there should not be any problem to do BBFS.

[Adindas]

I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.

If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always high class escorts, courtesans, etc. But Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, King-cross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
The Rate of US$300 that we are talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, which you see a lot of them in the shopping malls. She is not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie star. celebrity. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted before is coming from reputable site for professionals.
I am familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??

[Ggekko2009]

Many international tourists come to Jakarta do not do their research thinking that it is reasonable to pay $300 a night as they are comparing to what they would have paid in their own countries. Many of them are just coming once in a few years or even once in their lifetime. These people are actually destroying the market. It is not good for everyone.

https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries...lary-SRCH_IL.0, 7_IM1045_KO8,16. Htm? CountryRedirect=true.

The average salary of an Engineer in Jakarta is IDR 8,100,654 per month in the Jakarta, that is equivalent to $540 a month. Also keep in mind that is an engineer Job, Not average job that could be done by ordinary people without a proper skills and higher education. Also you will still need to deduct it with income tax. So $300 might be a month salary for ordinary worker. The inium salary in Jakarta in 2022 is Rp4.573.845.
https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-62154251 (use google translate)
So For $300 a night it is mad to think that average Indonesian will ever consider that. They are very lucky if Indonesian people would ever want to pay for half of it $150 a night.

I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.

[Ggekko2009]

Thanks for the link.

The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.

Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.

[Adindas]

If you want to protect yourself, you need to take holiday PrEP like I did. I mentioned it in my trip report. A certificate can be faked, and it doesn't make sense for a short time holiday fuck.

I had a good massage from a few chicks, one at Halomas Aloha and another at Sugar Spa. But if you really want a good massage, best to go to a place called a Refleski, essentially the menu will have "reflexology" or "full body" at these places. Reflexology is like 75% of the time a foot massage, in a chair, then the chair goes flat and you get a bit of a back workout and head massage and body stretch. Full body is more expensive and has a proper massage bed but is too pricey for Jakarta.

Can read about PrEP and and massages and see a map of Refleski places on my map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/ed...TA&usp=sharing.

I was in Jakarta a few weeks ago and have to write up my second trip report. Coming soon.

Thanks for the link.

The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.

[Llantarnam]

Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?

I was looking at visiting Thailand for an extended period and looked at HIV testing so that I could chose a girl and bareback her for the duration. I believe that the latest tests can pick up an infection after about 10 days, so worst case scenario it's covered up for 10 days and then uncovered all the way.

[CallSignRomeo]

I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??

Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?

[Adindas]

I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

In other countries such as in Germany, the organisers will arrange a quick HIV test on the spot before they allow people to join the BBFS - CIP party. It costs EUR30, so presumably the true cost must be around that.

When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??