Pattaya Reports

[ElMexicant]

Last night did some rounds with another Pattaya vet. Pin Up, Sky Fall (where we both had been banned years ago), Fahrenheit, Sensations, Palace, and Sapphire. Simply put. Walking Street GoGo bars are still only 30% of what they were in 2019. Prices a bit higher, quality of girls much much lower. Newbies and those who don't frequent often, won't know any better. Those who are seasoned or come every year, will. Perhaps this is how it ends, unless there is an alien invasion. Especially, with all that's going on in the world with Russia, Ukraine, NATO, China, Taiwan, USA, North and South Korea, Japan etc. We already had Plague, War, Famine, in such a short time, and now just waiting on the final Horseman riding on the pale horse. Toast to new beginnings?

[Ehs183]

Of course those Indian mongers won't stay at park Hyatt bro when cheaper options are available all over. I have decent amount of money on me but still I won't pay huge bucks at park Hyatt.

And the serf race don't control anything. Marx's diagnosis of the problem is spot on in das capital but his solutions are BS. Even in communist countries the workers don't control anything. It's always the elites running the show who control everything be it communism or capitalism. So the future serf race won't be controlling nothing but fighting over low paid jobs to feed themselves and maybe get enough money to monger around.

Well, I don't pay the big bucks either when I stay there or anywhere else decent. I accumulate 1 M+ hotel points, 700 K+airline miles, and 500 K credit card points per year off of client travel. Plus having lifetime top tier status gets me some pretty nice upgrades. The real issue is that the proletariat / plebs (who lets face it, many of which aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer) are very easily manipulated to turn against their own self-interest through nationalism, racism, religion, and a myriad of other "ism's."

While some of the Indian mongers might be pretty flush with cash, watching them try to negotiate down a beach road freelancer from the normal 1000 be is embarrassing and strikes me as loser cheap.

[Chimpo Chinn]

Huge Beer Bar complex opened without much Fanfare at end of Walking Street.

Light system alone cost 20,000,000 baht.

Mind Boggling.

[CaliGuy33]

Much of ths is post covid turmoil and it's still going to be another year before the situation stabilises. I don't expect the bars to have a good high season as there won't be a great wave of visitors returning yet, many have to make their plans a year ahead and therefore covid weighed heavily as a risk so they might have abandoned their trip.

Then there are the girls who were looking for alternate work online during covid, I think that sites like Onlyfans have peaked in popularity this year and are now facing decline as people are able to travel. So as there's less money online then more will return to the bars. But not soon enough.

China is still under lockdown so you won't see their tourists and Indians are coming in to replace them. They won't feed the same amount of money into the city.

And finally, don't forget the global recession due to covid and the russian invasion of Ukraine, people are going to spend less and holidays are often the first luxury to go or else cut back on. But eventually the recession will drive more girls back to the bars as companies cut back and there's less work..

The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.

Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.

I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.

[Explorer8939]

There have been reports here claiming that Pattaya is going downhill since the board began. It's an easily explainable syndrome: a guy goes to Pattaya the first time and is totally impressed. But, after a series of visits, he gets used to it, and starts to notice some imperfections.

I had a lady over for drinks yesterday, and she got hammered. After a while, she started begging me to do a BJ, but I declined, as I had another lady coming soon. That led to more begging and grabbing my dick, so I finally gave up and let her have her way.

So, I can't complain about Pattaya.

[Shukracharya]

Of course those Indian mongers won't stay at park Hyatt bro when cheaper options are available all over. I have decent amount of money on me but still I won't pay huge bucks at park Hyatt.

And the serf race don't control anything. Marx's diagnosis of the problem is spot on in das capital but his solutions are BS. Even in communist countries the workers don't control anything. It's always the elites running the show who control everything be it communism or capitalism. So the future serf race won't be controlling nothing but fighting over low paid jobs to feed themselves and maybe get enough money to monger around.

I haven't seen those 1000's of sub-continent mongers actually spending a whole lot of money. I don't seem to see any of them at the St Regis or Park Hyatt when I am in BKK. I do see a few at the Hilton or IC in Pattaya. I guess most of them are Airbnbing it and maxing out occupancy.

I have made my living and soon to be comfortable early retirement (53) off the aforementioned labor arbitrage. You might want to brush up on your Das Capital reading a little. That "serf race' of the proletariat controls the means of production and will most likely have the last laugh.

[GrapeMan]

Hey people. I'm a long-time visitor of this forum though probably posting for the first time!

I and my girlfriend will be visiting Pattaya in November. I have visited Pattaya in past years but this will be the first time with a female partner.

She's the adventurer type and doesn't mind adult entertainment so I have the following questions:

1. Are there any Adult Entertainment venues (nude clubs, dances, sex shows etc) that are welcomed towards couples and safe for girls? Just like we have Sauna clubs and FKK clubs in Germany and Sex shows in Amsterdam, any similar thing in Pattaya? In short, any adult place where we can go and she won't be judged.

2. On a similar note as above, massage parlors too where a couple can go and get a proper massage. My guess is, it should be a proper professional massage parlor without the "extra services" otherwise the ones with the extra services would have guys ogling and drooling over any lady customer. Any particular Area or SOI for such parlors?

3. Finally, she is also considering to include a third wheelie during our adventures (Threesome to be precise) - both the females and males. Though females are fine, Her type in the boys is the cute, little girlish ones (She hates the manly bulls, sorry guys!) to which I believe, the ladyboys of Pattaya would perfectly fit. I personally haven't invited any ladyboy to the hotel in my solo trips earlier but I've heard that they might be rowdy, pushy, or even criminals. Any suggestions to try that out safely and smoothly and select the right type of ladyboys?

1. No one judges shit in Thailand for a tourist, do whatever you want. This is not the west. These girls and people do not care one bit about you or your girl, only your money. They are judging the fat 65 year old english bloke and laughing in thai at him about who is going to take his money to fuck his fat ass, and how much they will scam from him in having him buy ladydrinks. For you and your girl, they don't care at all, they're happy you're not some obese old shithead, if any judgement happens, its positive, they want to hang out with someone more fun, and a couple is great, more money, easy drinks, you're all set. Gogo bars are just girls in bikinis or topless standing there 'dancing' on stage. By that I mean they have a ton of girls standing on a platform in the middle of the room just moving a little bit with dead stripper eyes. The bigger, more popular clubs have more of a dance club party feel. Gogos overall aren't as exciting as you may hope they would be, its not a vegas strip club, its a showroom for cars you can drink at. Couples are absolute fine and normal, but iits not a western style strip club or anything like that. As for sex shows, FKK, etc. This is absolutey not how Thai sex industry works, none of that exists, not even remotely. Pattaya has "beer bars" where its a shitty bar filled with girls you can F and then Gogos which are bars where girls stand on stage and you can pick one to take home, plus freelancers on the street, which are cheap.

2. There are regular, normal massage parlors, or 3 on every block in thailand. Literally everywhere.

3. Don't know the ladyboy situation, not my thing, just make sure you get one that is willing to do what you want and be explicit and upfront about what you and your girl expect to happen-- Same goes for a regular girl. Be very specific. As for the pushy, rowdy, and getting a bit wild in the club, much more than girls, yes they have this reputation, but also have long lists of fans from across the world, so its just part of the act they do. I don't interact with them, so can't give any better advice other than they are sex workers and will do sex things for money.

[Downandup]

A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.

Much of ths is post covid turmoil and it's still going to be another year before the situation stabilises. I don't expect the bars to have a good high season as there won't be a great wave of visitors returning yet, many have to make their plans a year ahead and therefore covid weighed heavily as a risk so they might have abandoned their trip.

Then there are the girls who were looking for alternate work online during covid, I think that sites like Onlyfans have peaked in popularity this year and are now facing decline as people are able to travel. So as there's less money online then more will return to the bars. But not soon enough.

China is still under lockdown so you won't see their tourists and Indians are coming in to replace them. They won't feed the same amount of money into the city.

And finally, don't forget the global recession due to covid and the russian invasion of Ukraine, people are going to spend less and holidays are often the first luxury to go or else cut back on. But eventually the recession will drive more girls back to the bars as companies cut back and there's less work.

As ever the world changes and everyone has to adapt. From what I have seen in the first six months of this year is Pattaya is on it's way back after a heavy blow and this high season will not be as good as many.

I'm still returning! After all, everywhere else has been impacted in much the same way. I have not been back to Germany for a long time and may not return for even longer as the costs have doubled and service is down. Don't forget that Pattaya at 66% of normal is still far better than many other places at this time.

[Explorer8939]

I had a silicon enhanced curvy lady at my condo last night. She came over for a quick drink at 6 pm, left at 2 am. I had to fuck her in two holes to get her to leave. She claimed she grossed 100,000 baht a month if she didn't work hard. But she pissed all of it away on her family, surgical procedures, and bad choices for boyfriends.

I had had another silicon enhanced curvy lady at my condo earlier in the day, but she was a dud. She had a barfine the night before, a young guy, and he literally fucked her all night long. So she was barely there when she came to my condo. I had invited another lady, a bit of a Tomboy who had the hots for her, but either the curvy lady was too tired, or she didn't like the Tom. Yes, they both got naked and there was lots of hand play, but it was mild. The curvy lady left early, the Tomboy refocused on me, but before I could do the deed, the Tomboy passed out. No problem for me, I had fucked the Tomboy's sister a few hours earlier.

I have a series of ladies lined up for the week, all different types. Young, old, some horny, some just go through the motions, some like to play with other ladies, it's exhausting.

The key advice is to get social media contacts for the decent ladies when you visit Thailand. Don't bug the ladies when you go back home, but let them know when you are coming back to Pattaya. After a while, you will build up a rotation.

[Chimpo Chinn]

Agree with you 1000% at martinflevo.

Pattaya can never get back what it lost.

The best of the girls got out of there and kept working anyway they could.

Many went to Phuket or Bangkok, and found they could get OK money, then went online InstaHo's, OF's, chaturbate etc and are now making way too much to want to work bars.

Sadly as you said Pattaya got fat and bloated on prices and volume like you said thinking that bars where goldmines.

Covid showed them different and now they are more millstones around their necks.

The only way forward for them is to up prices to meet their costs.

Pattaya will survive, but ir will be reborn differently, and a painful rebirth for those invested there.

Chaturbate usually pops when when I watch Ayu Sakurai vids. Upon picking Thai Girls category all I see is Butt Ugly Thai Girls with Very tiny amount of viewers.

Then you see attractive Chinese Girls. Lots of viewers which must mean lots of money.

The good old Looks Matter when selling Sex.

Many of you see Girls making money hand over first. I just don't see it. I need more convincing.

[AggieDad1]

Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.

Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.

The reset will happen. Bars are a commodity business. A commodity business is heavily influenced by the business cycle. In the long run commodity businesses break even. People make money in commodity business by buying at the low point and selling at the top. The current business environment is headed downward. After the end of "high season" you will see a lot of bars close when they realize that they did not make enough money to live through another "low season". The girl problem is a whole different issue. As some have pointed out before it is a combination of demographics and increased prosperity in Thailand. Young girls have more options than before. So Pattaya will change. Your guess is as good as mine as to what those changes will be. China is a big wild card. If the Chinese go crazy and start a war over Taiwan all of Asia will suffer.

[BionicMan]

Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.

A perfect scenario for US would be if 20-40% of the bars just go bankrupt. Less bars will bring balance to the Force. Of course every bar owner would say "we just need more girls". However this is NOT going to happen anytime soon because for that you need....?
More tourist and everybody know the situation in their own home country with inflation and all.

A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.

Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.

What is needed is also the return to more affordable air tickets. They have been sky rocketing +30% at least. Add the western problems, inflation, utilities +50/100% and people seriously question whether take holidays. No matter how cheap LOS is. It is still a minimum 2-3 weeks to be away and overseas.

[ThaiGoodTimes]

Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.

For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably be gone.

What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).

So you basically pay for some stools and furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam.

Too many bars. No tourist. So all those bars are now fighting over the girls they need in their bars to get those few customers inside. One barowner led the way and start to offering 1 K a day to ladies and guess what? With 3 times the minimum wage by just SITTING in a bar? There is zero incentive for chicks to fuck. So yes. Some still do fuck. But more and more don't need the cash.

Another side effect is that barfines are getting insane. They need to cover the higher salaries of the ladies..

Agree with you 1000% at martinflevo.

Pattaya can never get back what it lost.

The best of the girls got out of there and kept working anyway they could.

Many went to Phuket or Bangkok, and found they could get OK money, then went online InstaHo's, OF's, chaturbate etc and are now making way too much to want to work bars.

Sadly as you said Pattaya got fat and bloated on prices and volume like you said thinking that bars where goldmines.

Covid showed them different and now they are more millstones around their necks.

The only way forward for them is to up prices to meet their costs.

Pattaya will survive, but ir will be reborn differently, and a painful rebirth for those invested there.

[MartinFlevo]

Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.

For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.

For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.

What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).

So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam.

Too many bars. No tourist. So all those bars are now fighting over the girls they need in their bars to get those few tourist inside. One bar owner led the way and start to offering 1 K a day to ladies and guess what? With 3 times the minimum wage by just SITTING in a bar? There is zero incentive for chicks to fuck. So yes. Some still do fuck. But more and more don't need the cash.
they just need to LADYDRINKS..

Another side effect is that barfines are getting insane. They need to cover the higher salaries of the ladies. AND compensate for the loss of ladydrinks for the woman.

Pinup? 2500 barfine. Windmill? 2000. Later in the evening it drops.. but it says enough..

So switch to TF? Well. As you can see yourself. Less fish and most are old / ugly or a combination of those. You won't find the hotties there at the numbers you saw them before. Why? The hotties make enough with other sources of incomes (onlyfans etc).

What should happen?

A perfect scenario for US would be if 20-40% of the bars just go bankrupt. Less bars will bring balance to the Force. Of course every bar owner would say "we just need more girls". However this is NOT going to happen anytime soon because for that you need....?
More tourist and everybody know the situation in their own home country with inflation and all.

A healthy reset would be needed. Less bars. And maybe more in the future when things have settled down.

Anyway my 2 cent. Lets agree to disagree.

[Jacobz]

Thank you brother. I totally understand and appreciate your concern.

However, I have different dynamics with my girl. We have been together for 6 years and have already done it plenty in our country. It will just be the first time in Pattaya.

As for the frame, I myself am muscular and well built. It's just that we both enjoy the cute girlish boys. It's not me getting cucked. I equally enjoy those guys.

I totally respect your experience though. The same has been my experience about the regular girls and couples. We though, are not regular couple.

I can't tell you about the places but I can tell you for a fact your relationship isn't going to last long via getting so bold and adventurous with your partner.

If you are going to have a third wheel make sure it's a female only. Hold your frame bro before it's too late. But I'm called old fashioned in my of thinking so I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here but my experience tells me women prefer guys who hold onto their masculine frame and lead. So get a female third wheel don't get kuked on purpose in front of her. She will keep doing that to you again and again then if you let it happen once.