Seeking Arrangements

[MiamiBoy1]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.

I have normally been paying 350 k for 3-4 hour dates, and 400 k to 500 k for TLN. I always try to keep it around $100 or below, this is my comfortable budget and like Elvis said, most girls wouldn't complain. Of course, I also have other costs, like taxis, restaurants, etc but I don't really care about them, since having a great time is my priority, and going out in MDE is really affordable even if you go to a high end venue. I like value too, this is why I prefer MDE over CDMX, because in CDMX similar quality girls are double that rate.

Occasionally, I get quoted 600 k to 1 million COP, but usually pass because I don't like when girls quote me numbers, I'm not interested in hardened pros or spoiled hookers. When it comes down to price negotiation, I give them my comfortable range, take it or leave it. Read my recent post in the Bogota thread about it.

[DramaFree11]

Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.

Elvis, so true, those guys on the MDE page complain about everything. I think if the sex was free, they would still complain. Good luck in MDE, remember safely first, MDE can be dangerous. You can read my thoughts about MDE, they are not good, I will leave it that.

[Chicago85]

Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more..

Thank you very much Elvis. I appreciate your depth of insight here as well as on the Medelln forum and agree that guys are often comparing apples to oranges (and even bananas sometimes). $100 is not a lot of money for me, but I unfortunately have that ingrained Midwestern trait of wanting to get value for what I pay LOL. Of course doing bareback, multiple pops, and the girl being gorgeous is worth all of that (and up to $140). I'm also here for 3 weeks on this trip so was trying to be thoughtful in feeling 'the goring rate' out first. I was in Panama City a few weeks back and paying $100 to $140 there and felt fine as it was 'the going rate'. Very hot women too.

Since I wrote one girl came back and was fine with 300 k, but still waiting on the others. I think I'll try 400 k with them as you suggest and for a couple of the really hot ones that I haven't discussed price with yet will propose 500 k ($100). There are a few that are older and very into that game that I just know to avoid... one well travelled prepago from Costa Risa suggested that we do a Guatape helicopter tour, mountain top dinner, and I pay for TLN on the first date as an 'exclusive romantic package' (crazy).

Some part of it may also be that it's earlier in the week. I've found girls become much more communicative towards the weekend as they arrange their plans and try to fit in a trick.

[Elvis 2008]

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

DF, you have an interesting take on the one versus many issue, and I am not advocating for either way. Being with five women versus one sexually is more fun, and it prevents the sex from getting tiresome for sure, and it almost always is exciting.

The hard part is how many women are really worthy of commitment. What I mean is how many women are there really who are not going to let you carry all the weight of the relationship? All this feminine bullshit aside, I am in an industry where the pay is set by third parties including government, and the government sure as hell is not paying men more then women. Still, men make more because they take on the harder jobs and work longer hours. The issue I have found is women do not want to be treated like WGs but often they act just like them if not worse.

So finding someone attractive, good in the sack, and who wants to contribute to a relationship sadly is so rare for most guys it is not an issue. It is best to keep 5 women around and if one acts up, you boot her and move on to another.

What is different with you and Steve is he is married and the benefit of you going deep with one women are really not going to benefit married men. With a married guy, a woman is going to perform possibly really well, but there is a piece of her that she is going to hold back. I know married guys do not want to hear that but it is true. Yeah, you can not tell women you are married or lie to them but if they find out and they do invest their heart in you, they are probably going to move on when they learned you lied to them. What I am getting at though is when an extremely talented and hot woman totally gives herself to you and trusts you that is the best sex there is.

And married guys have a legitimate relationship they can always go to. Single guys do not, and you think it does not wear on you but it does. Even if you try to make it out that the women are not WGs, and you like them, the WG image with your five or so women does bubble up from time to time. And the women know you are seeing other women and may say they are okay with it, but they would all prefer to just be with one guy because of the stigma it puts on them. If they got bills to pay, and you are spending money on other women, that can be hard for them to take.

Also, you have to hide what you are doing from your family and friends to some degree and to customs to some degree. Mr. E says he tells customs when he was in Colombia he went for pussy but I think that is a bad idea. Like with the women thinking they are WGs, I would tell myself, "Eh, it is not that big of a deal", but it adds weight. Men are always saying they can handle stuff and handle the stress, but often, I notice what a weight it is when the pressure and stress are no longer there.

And it has been a relief not to hide what I was doing. Instead of saying I am going to Mexico or Colombia for an unknown reason, I can tell everyone I am seeing my GF. I have not had to hide from family and friends what I have been doing, and there have been connections made between my family and friends and hers. We are driven by sex so you might not think this matters, but it has mattered to me. There is a kind of stress and shame when you going up against societal norms, even though we deny there is, and it has been nice to have that gone.

I am not saying one way is better than the other, and no guy should go the route of one woman only just to do it. There are just too few women especially today worthy of commitment. A guy's happiness is way more important than societal norms. I just wanted to bring up the pluses and minuses as I have seen them of having five women versus one.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised..

Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.

[Chicago85]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.

[Steve 9696]

Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.

Doh almost forgot my duo with two totally newbie college girls in Cinci who were true lesbian lovers. That was the most epic sex on planet earth. BJ while DFK. Double BJ — one on balls and one on shaft. Fucking one doggie while she two fingers her friend in a frenzy. Learned a ton about female anatomy that night! 😂 That was true epic sex. No emotional connection whatsoever with me. Tons with each other. And of course Seeking for the win once again!

[Steve 9696]

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.

[Elvis 2008]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

Steve, I have been on and off in this hobby for 30 or so years. I have done the Penthouse pet, Playboy bunny, the #1 escort on big doggie, the girls on the restaurant calendars, and been to every sex mecca save for Germany. At first, every time I got laid it was great. Then you start looking for better sex. You think the next one will be better than the last but often it was not so you repeat with a WG who was good looking and good in bed, and often it is better the second time than the first.

If you think about your life and performance, wouldn't you say money is a minimum motivator? That is when men say, "Well, he is going to have pay me a thousand dollars to do that" right? Then there is pride, and the best WGs have pride in their work, but you know when people say family is #1? What do they mean? IMO "Family is everything" transcends money and transcends pride because it is based upon duty and commitment and love for that person or group of people.

At some point, you are going to find a woman who is a top ten type in terms of looks and sexual performance, and the chances of getting better pussy the next time are crazy small. The reality is that if you are interested in better sex, you should try to go deeper with a top ten woman. If you are fucking for an ego / notch count, then you are going to move onto the next one but if you have been at it for a while and looking for great sex, you probably are going to be disappointed by the next one.

So it is a natural transgression for guys interested in better sex to move onto a sugar baby style relationship, and as everyone who has been a sugar daddy will tell you, the sex is usually way better with a SB than with a typical WG.

Thing is you really cannot tell guys about how being a sugar daddy is better. They kind of have to had their fill of the WGs.

But even with the sugar babies, particularly the American ones, the woman's character would finally show it self. The women would get too greedy, want the same for doing less, or just had mental health, drugs, or financial issues. The one SA American woman I met and I thought I would be more serious with was a hottie with a job and two kids. She was cute and great in bed and fun and then we went in her car one time. There would be some kind of alarm and she had to blow into a machine. Yeah, she had so many DUIs, a judge required her to take frequent and random breathalyzers. Sigh. And that was the best one I found in the USA.

So thing about paying for sex and seeing the WG is that it is an emotionally safe way to have sex. You do not need to know about breathalyzer alarms and there seemed to be always something like that (but maybe it was just the sample I was looking at). Whatever the case may be, the women abroad were IMO all in all of much higher quality character.

I guess the thing that is damaging about WG sex though is that you are training yourself to always be thinking to yourself it is sex for money. Always. The mantra with Colombian women here on ISG is the hot women all want young Colombian men their age. Okay, except I had a few calling me every night and had some making themselves sex videos for me. And when we do have sex, they secrete white cum I can see and smell and then they squirt so much they wet the bed.

Any monger who hears this usually says the same thing. Don't believe she likes you. She wants your money and all those orgasms were fake except I was there and whoever else was saying otherwise was not. It kept happening so much and so many women told me that they liked me that I actually started to say "Maybe they really do like me. " It was crazy how much reassurance I needed from women who said they liked me. Crazy. Again, it was easier and safer to just think all they wanted was my money.

And who says women want young guys anyway? I am more mature, wiser, better in bed, and more secure. I have so much more to offer women now than in my 20's so why would the women want these guys in their 20's, these millennial types? Ugh.

That is what is destructive about seeing WG, maybe the most destructive of all: you train yourself to think that all women are the same and only interested in money and you convince yourself that is all you have to offer.

For me, all the marriage stuff and I am a one woman guy was just bullshit fed to men to follow. I am not sure the men really believed it but after getting married they would have kids and it was the love for their kids and not their wives that kept men from straying. It was IMO kind of a dirty trick.

Unlike when I first got married, I know I can fuck women who are as hot on the planet as there are. I am choosing not to now, and the reason like you just said Steve is the sex will not be as good. When you have a top ten girl in terms of looks and performance and you go deeper, you get to the ultimate motivator. She acts like you are family.

I am sure people may have said I was a sex addict or pleasure freak or whatever but I just had a strong desire to have my sexual wants and needs met. In this one area of my life, until now, I really was not that satisfied. I do not want to see other women because the sex probably will not be as good.

For what it is worth, outside of the guys like yourself Steve, I am not sure anyone else has been on this journey. Maybe some rock stars or athletes have been, but they are not going to talk about it.

I have to keep this part of my life hidden but I really wish other guys could really know and understand what I have been through with my sex life and really get IMO what it is like to really be able to have all the different kinds of sex and women you want.

I know I am not missing anything anymore.

[DramaFree11]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

[NeilGeorge]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

That's why people get married. You have found the secret of a happy life. Every one else is simply searching.

[Steve 9696]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

[AmericanPi]

I'm used to paying on the generous side and getting premium girls. Like 18-23, super cute.

You think 400 quid gets you that in London or at that point are you trading down to 7. 5's?

I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 and accepted 400 . And a much more "college girl type" said 300 right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

[AmericanPi]

Riga.

Interesting.

Had not considered there.

If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

Megija (22) - 150 Euro per encounter (few hours).

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...1-a4bcb974d501

We have been sexting and she seems fun. She even has an free Onlyfans if you want to check some of her pictures (she sent me some naughty ones in Whatsapp).

https://onlyfans.com/madlenaxoxo

Chanel (30) - We agreed in 400 Euro for the week (2-3 times).

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...c-b8706f547d7a

We have been chatting a lot. She seems legit.