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[Mongerer88]

The ads are less explicit than before. I don't see how they could be "cleaner" if that purposed law passes. And does it matter which countries Spanish escort sites and forums are hosted? Sure there is a threat of website being taken down law enforcement, but what the chances of that happening? Or the risk of being arrest based on online reviews? Even if it's hosted in another country the Spanish gov could just block internet access as one user in BCN claim they could do. BTW, I read the government delayed the purposed law earlier this month so sex workers can speak out. I said this before, but I think the purposed law, if passed, would be watered down.

In the USA, most of the foreign host countries for independent escort ads and review / discussion boards supposedly make it more difficult for law enforcement to obtain evidence.

It isn't universal. There are still escort websites hosted in the USA Offering time and companionship with relatively explicit language. Usually the lady simply lists activities she enjoys in private life, such as BBBJ.

Blocking a site throughout a nation is something you see in the Muslim World where the government controls all of the filtering. I am not sure that is the case in Spain.

[BaltiX]

The ads are less explicit than before. I don't see how they could be "cleaner" if that purposed law passes. And does it matter which countries Spanish escort sites and forums are hosted? Sure there is a threat of website being taken down law enforcement, but what the chances of that happening? Or the risk of being arrest based on online reviews? Even if it's hosted in another country the Spanish gov could just block internet access as one user in BCN claim they could do. BTW, I read the government delayed the purposed law earlier this month so sex workers can speak out. I said this before, but I think the purposed law, if passed, would be watered down.

[Mongerer88]

I also think you are overthinking.

Escorting, which is time and companionship, ads exist in every country where prostitution is fully illegal, or half illegal. It is legal everywhere for someone to sell their time. If it wasn't, then lawyers and most other professionals would be breaking the law. So those ads include prices.

At the extreme, ladies taking out escorting ads do not mention sexual services. In some ads, they list the types of sexual activities they enjoy, without directly linking them to what a customer is purchasing. Some of the time, the ad just says read my reviews. Of course, some of the time, sex is never even mentioned in the ad, just provocative pictures, and the customer must go searching to find any reviews.

The ads if the proposed law passes, will become less explicit. Not that big of a deal. But:

The lowest end advertising venues may disappear because at the low end of the scene it is difficult to prove who took out the ad. We are already seeing that under the law that did pass. So the lowest end of the scene will disappear, and prices will increase.

Review boards will be an increasingly important source of information, but if Spalumi, Esaschicas, and Sexomercadobcn stay hosted in Spain, they will likely reduce available review and advertisement details. We are already seeing that. Hopefully they will move their servers. If not, detailed reviews on ISG and other message / review boards in friendlier jurisdictions will become even more important.

And as I have said many times, the part of the proposed new law to watch the most closely is property owner / landlord liability. If Spain becomes the first western country to impose civil / criminal sanctions on landlords if the tenant (s) has sex in exchange for money, that could be very problematic. You would think it would fail. Hell, that is so dictatorial that Franco would blush. But who knows with these fucking Socialists.

Everything else is just noise. Other than the landlord provision, if the new laws pass, it will just cause price increases and increase administrative time for both parties. If her ad doesn't specify whether she does BBBJ, you can still ask her via WhatsApp or email. That is how it is in most parts of Australia, where explicit advertising is banned even though prostitution is fully legal in most areas.

Most governments won't pat you on the head and say Good Boy after you exchange money for sex. You can't expect full legality everywhere and forever. People have to adapt to changes.

Well I meant free as in the girls post they will fuck for you for free. They list all their services and then all we have to do is just go on whatsapp and ask "how much for one hour" instead of going on whatsapp and asking "anal? Blow job no condom? Kissing?" which gets annoying fast.

The website could make money and be exactly like pasion, paid ads to go to the top or slumi, paid ads to be highlighted (both sites make a killing $$.

The girls just write they are swingers or whatever as long as they don't write they are escorts or charge by the hour, etc.

Nude pics, explicit descriptions etc. Just make it a swingers site with paid ads.

Maybe a way to get around this idiotic law.

[Andalus Expat]

Well I meant free as in the girls post they will fuck for you for free. They list all their services and then all we have to do is just go on whatsapp and ask "how much for one hour" instead of going on whatsapp and asking "anal? Blow job no condom? Kissing?" which gets annoying fast.

The website could make money and be exactly like pasion, paid ads to go to the top or slumi, paid ads to be highlighted (both sites make a killing $$.

The girls just write they are swingers or whatever as long as they don't write they are escorts or charge by the hour, etc.

Nude pics, explicit descriptions etc. Just make it a swingers site with paid ads.

Maybe a way to get around this idiotic law.

Did you actually look at any adverts before the law took effect? Only a relatively small minority of ads ever mentioned money or a price for the services offered. Two reasons the girls chose not to. They didn't like being pinned down to a price. They were always hopeful of exploiting punters. For example, obviously foreign clients would be asked more than the Spanish because they're believed not to be familiar with general rates. Putting the charges in the advert also told the other girls what they were asking, giving them an opportunity to be undercut.

Personally, I always thought it was a mistake. A girl would get less clients contacting them if the price wasn't advertised. In the same way as you're less likely to enter a shop doesn't display the price of the goods. So the girl advertising price would get first crack at potential clients & increased turnover. Simple marketing psychology. But if putas studied marketing they wouldn't be working as putas, would they?

So no, your idea doesn't get around the new law. The law bans advertising the offering of sexual services to the public.

Swingers sites may get around the law because what happens behind a membership barrier may be regarded as not "public". It'd be a free speech matter. But defining a "membership barrier" might have to be tested in law. Simple registration via e-mail address giving access to all content free would probably not be regarded as any sort of barrier. And once you get onto subscription membership you raise a problem. Most swingers sites are pretty phony now. Most of the membership is hopeful blokes looking for free sex. Heaven knows what the ratio is between them & genuine couples & females wanting to contact men is. The swinging scene just doesn't work like that. Couples & solo females don't have the least problem finding male participants. Generally it's invitation only. The sort of blokes get invited don't need to pay for sex, by definition. So the majority of the gullible membership is just wasting its money.

See the problem? A load of "swinger" sites spring up offering to put you in touch with willing girls. But you don't know what's there because it's behind a paywall. You pay your subscription to find a stack of false profiles of girls don't exist. The difficulty is trying to leverage up such a site from nothing into something both punters & the girls advertising would have confidence in to pay for.

As far as existing swinger sites are concerned the subject's moot anyway. All the ones I've looked are behind paywalls & operating outside Spanish jurisdiction. If you want to contribute something to the discussion rather than just flapping your gums, do a search for Spanish swinger sites then use the Who Is? Domain search to find where they operate from. Should keep you occupied for a few hours & may produce some interesting information. Let us know.

[Jon32]

I think you'll find the legal position on that one is that it'll be an attempt to evade the law. It's why concealing a kilo of charlie in the lining of your suitcase does not make it legal to import coke into the UK.

It does, however, raise an interesting question about swingers sites where, of course, they're doing exactly what you propose. However that may not be regarded as general advertising. Pretty well all swinger sites operate behind paid for memberships. So it's not advertising to the public. In practice, of course, pretty well all of the major swinger sites are operated outside of Spain. So the law wouldn't affect them anyway. I just did a WhoIs? Request on www.parejaswinger.com & that site's registered in Arizona, US.

"Free sex website" Why? Are you proposing to pay for it, personally? I've actually been running one, the past few years. For the benefit of some our local girls I know. Last invoice I got for name registration & server / bandwidth provision was a bit over 100 euros. And that's for a relatively modest data storage & traffic. I'm my own webmonkey, but putting together even a basic website would cost a couple of thousand & maintenance 50-100 an hour. What you're proposing would probably require 10-20 grand to set up & 3 full time staff to cover the whole of Spain. How's it get paid for? It's doubtful the girls could pay. The banking system will likely block any transfer of remittances from Spain to something set up to evade Spanish law.

Well I meant free as in the girls post they will fuck for you for free. They list all their services and then all we have to do is just go on whatsapp and ask "how much for one hour" instead of going on whatsapp and asking "anal? Blow job no condom? Kissing?" which gets annoying fast.

The website could make money and be exactly like pasion, paid ads to go to the top or slumi, paid ads to be highlighted (both sites make a killing $$.

The girls just write they are swingers or whatever as long as they don't write they are escorts or charge by the hour, etc.

Nude pics, explicit descriptions etc. Just make it a swingers site with paid ads.

Maybe a way to get around this idiotic law.

[Andalus Expat]

So, had an idea today about an easy (hopefully) way to get around the new law?

Just make a website for the girls or anyone to post and do not allow them to post any prices or that it's an exchange sex for money.

So a girl will go on there and post she will fuck you for free, post all the naked images she wants, and include all the filters / keywords in the description (BBBJ, Kissing, Fucking, Anal, etc).

But. She posts that it's all free, she just loves to fuck.

Then we only have to go on whatsapp and ask "how much is one hour?

Instead of now asking 100 fucking questions every time.

Thoughts?

Free sex website. Hopefully some entrepreneur reads this LOL.

I think you'll find the legal position on that one is that it'll be an attempt to evade the law. It's why concealing a kilo of charlie in the lining of your suitcase does not make it legal to import coke into the UK.

It does, however, raise an interesting question about swingers sites where, of course, they're doing exactly what you propose. However that may not be regarded as general advertising. Pretty well all swinger sites operate behind paid for memberships. So it's not advertising to the public. In practice, of course, pretty well all of the major swinger sites are operated outside of Spain. So the law wouldn't affect them anyway. I just did a WhoIs? Request on www.parejaswinger.com & that site's registered in Arizona, US.

"Free sex website" Why? Are you proposing to pay for it, personally? I've actually been running one, the past few years. For the benefit of some our local girls I know. Last invoice I got for name registration & server / bandwidth provision was a bit over 100 euros. And that's for a relatively modest data storage & traffic. I'm my own webmonkey, but putting together even a basic website would cost a couple of thousand & maintenance 50-100 an hour. What you're proposing would probably require 10-20 grand to set up & 3 full time staff to cover the whole of Spain. How's it get paid for? It's doubtful the girls could pay. The banking system will likely block any transfer of remittances from Spain to something set up to evade Spanish law.

[Jon32]

So, had an idea today about an easy (hopefully) way to get around the new law?

Just make a website for the girls or anyone to post and do not allow them to post any prices or that it's an exchange sex for money.

So a girl will go on there and post she will fuck you for free, post all the naked images she wants, and include all the filters / keywords in the description (BBBJ, Kissing, Fucking, Anal, etc).

But. She posts that it's all free, she just loves to fuck.

Then we only have to go on whatsapp and ask "how much is one hour?

Instead of now asking 100 fucking questions every time.

Thoughts?

Free sex website. Hopefully some entrepreneur reads this LOL.

[Jon32]

This new law is already fucking things up for me.

I average about 1 or 2 girls a week.

Before, I could go on 2 or 3 sites and in 10 or 15 minutes I can find a few, send some messages and have an appointment.

Now, there are no filters, you can't search for things you want, and the girls can't put shit in the announcement for what they do.

Before what was 10,15 minutes is now an hour or even more because you need to message everyone and ask the same fucking questions.

And even worse, now I have to go on 10 fucking websites and the girls on the sites are not even great (lower quantity, lower quality).

Without the 'free' sites to upload announcements, there is an obvious drop in number of girls posting because they don't want to pay nuevoloquo $4 per day to post a fucking ad.

No free site, and bullshit ads ("I like listening to music, contact me") are fucking everything up.

[The Cane]

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[Andalus Expat]

I think that's what's going on. Awaiting the outcome of decisions yet to be taken? I think it will all stabilise eventually, but whether the current state will ever be the same. I think unlikely.

I was punting in Spain years before internet advertising. Years before internet. Successfully punting. There were classified ads in some of the papers but I rarely used. It was just a matter of knowing the country & good places to go. Certain areas, certain bars, certain clubs, certain houses & flats. And of course the roundabout girls! Streetgirls have become horror stories in the internet years. But that's only because they're the ones can't find anywhere to work or advertise from.

I'm surprised by the defeatism by some of the people on this board. Think creatively. Do you really think hundreds of thousands of Spanish blokes are going to abandon their hobby? All the girls are going to skulk off, never to fuck for money again? These are the people you've been punting off the backs of. All this wasn't laid on for your benefit. Of course they aren't. They'll be some adjusting. Some creative thinking. The players will rise to play again.

Personally, I think I preferred it pre-internet days. OK, it wasn't laid out on a plate for you. But then you didn't get girls sticking up ads full of lies & false photos & sitting back waiting for the victims to arrive. And I'm totally indifferent about the large clubs. They're just indoor streetgirls & managements making a packet off their backs. Whereas the bars were favoured by hookers charged normal bar prices & she took you back to her place round the corner. Where she wasn't paying a trick's worth of money for a night's room rent. Up to you really. If you can only cope with it being like going to McDonalds you're in for a very dry time. If you're willing to move out of your comfort zone, you should do all right. We will.

[Jon32]

There are plenty of websites available for advertising like GirlsBCN.

Pasion was the best, I think 90% of traffic went there I remember reading.

But I guess we have to live with worse ones, better than nothing.

I hope some entrepreneur just makes a classifieds site in another country. Or maybe an existing classifieds site in another country could just open a "Spain" section (not a bad idea?

Esaschicas forum just explained that all future experiences with girls will be removed (they already deleted thousands of reports over the last 15 years). Saying that an experience could / will be considered advertising under the new law.

How fucking crazy is this!

So I guess we will need some entrepreneur to create a forum in another country also (or add a 'spain' section for one that already exists. Maybe portugal?) .

[Jummy1]

I think that's what's going on. Awaiting the outcome of decisions yet to be taken? I think it will all stabilise eventually, but whether the current state will ever be the same. I think unlikely.

I met up with a private chick a few days ago. She told me she normally makes €100 K P / A, This year she's on track to make 150 K.

I don't doubt her at all, she's very popular. And it's all tax free! How she goes about residency I have no idea. I don't ask too many questions.

She's been operating for 10 years on the CDS. So have I. And spent a ridiculous amount of cash. Market forces will always prevail.

What will happen to the club scene is anyones guess? I'the be sad to see them disappear altogether, as I enjoy the clubs scene a lot. But I've worked hard on a little black book for a number of years. Just in case!

[BaltiX]

I noticed that some websites don't show prices anymore, while others do. I also noticed that advertising websites (and some agencies) stop advertising explicit services of each girl. It seems there is confusion regarding the organic law on sexual freedom. I think this is what happens when you let politicians influenced by SJW, woke ideology to write laws. I wouldn't be surprised if the Spanish Supreme Court or the next government throws this law out in the future.

[BaltiX]

Well that's the Pasion advertising site no more. Unless you're interested in buying a used car of your garden dug over. So Spanish putadom is now running around like chickens with their heads cut off, their leading advertising site no more. Slumi still seems to be functional. But for how long?

So. There are still plenty of lovely ladies out there just waiting to be fucked. And no doubt a few amongst you lot would be willing to take on the task.

Problems putting one alongside tother.

There are quite a few of us who live here or visit regularly who do have the skinny. But no way of passing it on, because site rules forbid phone numbers.

So any ideas?

There are plenty of websites available for advertising like GirlsBCN.

[Mongerer88]

Came here to post exactly this.

Also esaschicas Barcelona forum of experiences is COMPLETELY wiped out. Had to be 15 years of experiences written there. They left one or two sections out of hundreds.

This is un fucking believable.

What fucking country do we live in.

Folks, make yourself an old-fashioned Little Black Book, or at least a WhatsApp Directory. Especially since ISG doesn't allow phone numbers in the forum.

We learned this in the USA, although the government relented a bit on some of the interpretations of Fosta / Sesta.

And the lesson got reinforced during Covid, even among the Germans who never dreamed their beloved FKKs would get closed by their beloved government.

Ads and threads can get wiped out, but thank god the girl and her smartphone / email will survive. But you need that phone number and that email.

For her obviously, but also for her friends she will refer you to for variety, and if she leaves the business for whatever young ladies she transfers her book of business to.

Hopefully it won't get that bad. Hopefully the websites will relocate to friendly countries, and hopefully Spalumi will think that Esaschicas is just overreacting and not do the same. But nonetheless make your little black book. You don't have sex with these ladies in public. Laws can't be enforced behind closed doors, but you have to have a mechanism to get behind that closed door. During Covid, the guys least affected in all countries were those who had the phone numbers and emails of escorts.

Anyway, here is my favorite in Madrid. She is The Bomb. She hasn't been running ads and said she has been mostly seeing regulars. Her Esaschicas thread is still up. Trust me, write her name and number in your little black book. Don't WhatsApp her unless you are inquiring now about an appointment. Girls hate it when you bug the shit out of them for no good reason. But someday that number might come in handy. Do the same for every lady who has sterling reviews and that you always wanted to see. Don't assume that every phone number you want will always be easily available in the future. And show loyalty to your favorites. If the system gravitates heavily towards illegality, which I still don't think will be the case, you are safest seeing a nice rotation of those favorites, and friends they recommend, and ladies your fellow Johns recommend backchannel and on websites in friendly countries.

https://esaschicas.com/temas/anastas...%C3%B3n.15352/

Here is the explanation of The Purge:

EsasChicas Statement.

EsasChicas is a transversal, alternative, liberal, guarantee-oriented forum and, above all, very respectful of laws and regulations. In adaptation to the new Organic Law of Comprehensive Guarantee of Sexual Freedom, we are going to adapt to the spirit of the law by carrying out a rigorous and strict interpretation of this Organic Law, a norm that regulates the duties of prevention and awareness in the workplace and equates the victims of sexual violence to victims of gender violence or terrorism. Our forum is against the mafias and trafficking, it supports all those women who work in a dignified way to support their families. Therefore we want to make it clear that:

1) We understand that the threads of experiences with prostitutes not only constitute advertising and promotion of prostitution but even in some cases gender violence, therefore they will be removed from our forum. Although these threads have been created by forum users, we understand that it is our responsibility and therefore we will proceed to eliminate them. The fact that an experience is positive or negative does not exempt from the crime because negative publicity exists, there will be no exceptions to the rule.

2) As of October 7, it will not be allowed in the contact threads to promote prostitution, full nudity, etc.