American Politics

[Xpartan]

The fiction is anyone dying from Covid and that lockdowns that saved them. Tell me genius. How do people theoretically die from Covid and how do you distinguish it from other causes?

I have no idea Elvis. I guess we'd have to ask 1. 07 million dead Americans who have died from Covid how they died from Covid, but I'm afraid we can't.

Trained medical professionals how they know whether or not you have Covid, and they will be able to give you an answer.

The problem is you won't ac.

[Xpartan]

Not at all. It appears you do not understand what homicide is. Or you are only counting the homicides from one country, whiich is obviously ridiculous. 300.000 registered violent deaths alone in Iraq, caused by USA illegal war. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/.

"What does it have to do with Putin's homicidal government?" - nothing directly, You claimed Russia was the most homicidal. I have given plain evidence that is total BS. Even if you just count war, which is only one slice of the cake.

A homicidal government is a government that commits premeditated murders.

Which is why the Russian government is the most homicidal government in the world.

Comparing Putin's war in Ukraine with Iraq is an outrageous falsehood. In Ukraine, Russia strategically and deliberately murders civilians. I'm not even talking about loss of life among military personal both Russian and Ukrainian due to Putin's war of choice.

Deaths in Iraq, as tragic as they are, were a result of unintended consequences -- the civil war that killed hundreds of thousands of people. America didn't do the killings.

While in Ukraine, it's Russia that directly does the killings.

No one is dense enough not to understand this.

Which begs the question what kind of sick game you're playing here.

[Elvis 2008]

Paulie, I destroyed your millercenter link's assessment of Eisenhower's atrocious economy with their own clumsy admission that the USA was in a state of Recession for FIVE of the eight years Eisenhower was in office, including his last year in office, just in time for the usual crap Repub-to-Dem hand-off. And nevermind that 20% of Americans lived in poverty as defined much worse that it is today because, oh well, nobody was paying much attention to those people during the Eisenhower years anyway.

Yeah, Tooms, that bottom 20% were living it up in the depression and during WW2 and the Korean War. Your bird brained binary view of the world neglects to mention that all the major wars fought in the 20th Century happened when Democrats were in control.

And the most celebrated decades of the 20th century were the 20's, 50's, and 80's, all under Republican rule.

And your beloved JFK and LBJ dragged us into Vietnam destroying the 50's good vibe and pushed us to a type of civil war in the 60's. I do not blame WW1, WW2, and the Korean War on the Democrat presidents but given your definition of the rules, I should.

Still, Vietnam was definitely on LBJ and lesser so with JFK. You miss the fact that Eisenhower avoided war, and his administration largely was a time of peace.

And who said you took down Paulie? Those voices in your head at it again? I hope Fairfield Inn has a good health plan.

[Elvis 2008]

I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID.

It is great that you were not hurt Tiny but what about the people who were? Do you have a child two years behind where they should be academically? Have you talked to people who were forced to get the vaccine and harmed by it? How about the people who were forced to get it even though they have natural immunity? Why was that decision made and and who made it?

As for listening, you are not wearing a mask right now right? Why have you stopped? Covid is still around and people are allegedly still dying from it every day. If that has not changed, then why have you stopped wearing one? Because the government told you not to? Why did they do that, science or politics? And by the way, Biden has kept us under emergency rule even now because of Covid after he publicly declared the pandemic over.

And as of now, you still have all these Democratic douches who believe their stupid shit worked versus the virus just running its course. Lockdowns, social distancing, and hand sanitizers were a complete fucking joke. All these were worthless. Given that masks might work, I think you would be a fool not to wear one around someone with Covid. OTOH, wearing them outside is moronic and at the supermarket makes no sense either. Enclosed in a bus or subway with poor ventilation may have made sense but that is about it. Too often wearing masks and getting the vaccine (after the summer of 2021) was not helpful in preventing disease but a sign you were compliant with government.

The emphasis should have been on isolating sick people and treating them versus restricting well people. I will never understand why the monoclonal antibodies, which worked so well, were an afterthought with Covid and the vaccines, which did not work shortly after they were developed, were the end all be all. Steroids and blood thinners were used and were effective as well. Honestly, Tiny, I do not know if anyone really died of pure Covid who was not put on a ventilator.

And there are warehouses full of ventilators that taxpayers paid billions for. How did that happen? I get your saying, "Well, the people who made that decision were trying to do their best. " How do you know that when you do not even know who made that decision and why they did?

The Great Barrington Declaration outlined how we should have treated the virus, and the Dems here have stupidly and wrongly put it down. Fauci and Collins used taxpayer resources and even admitted to using the media "to take it down". Why was it "taken down"? It is pretty obvious to me that Fauci and Collins took them down because they did not want anyone else but them to lead the war against Covid.

And speaking of Fauci, he was appointed God by the Democratic media as a foil to Trump. Yeah, Trump said a lot of dumb things and should have been on top of the virus spreading much more quickly than he was, but I know now it did not matter in the end. Hell, Biden's response and Trump's were indistinguishable outside of the Democrats talking a bigger game (I. E. Being bigger assholes). To this day, the dumb Dems think they can change the earth's climate and cure a cold virus.

With Fauci, you should listen to the podcast of Josh Rogin on Joe Rogan's show. He is a Democrat and gives an even handed non partisan critique of Fauci. But honestly, it made me sick.

And the war on opioids is still ongoing. Once again, the government stuck its beak in the patient's room and demands that it be the only voice listened to and the end result like with Covid was a disaster. Read this article and tell me the war on opioids was not a PR campaign fabricated by the DEA, https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis...n-painkillers..

IMO Fauci planned seizing power, money, and influence if a horrible outbreak occurred. Josh Rogin makes that point that Fauci's zeal to cure a future pandemic may have inadvertently caused this whole pandemic to begin with. What I liked about Rogin is he never came out and said Fauci was bad but he sure left you a bread trail to that fact.

[ChuchoLoco]

Right. But I advocate for a better world in which good guys can exist. As it stands, they are murdered or overthrown bcos they stand in the way of exploitation. There are and have been a few, but few and far in between. Mujeca is the best example I can think of right now. Lead Uruguay t obe the best country in South America. Based on many criteria. Although most USAns seem to think that the economy is the only factor worth considering / discussing.

I have been thinking about Uruguay for about 10 years now. From what I've read it does seem like an awesome place. It's just so far to get to. Have you been there? It would be great to hear a first hand review. But like most countries, they had an evil past. No indigenous left and years of right wing military governments But that is all over now and it seems to be an incredibly progressive country. What all countries should strive for. It was very inexpensive a few years ago but I have heard that is no longer the case. I should just go find out for myself.

P.S. The Rio Plata area it shares with Argentina has a distinctive dialect. Caballo is pronounced cabasho. Just a fun fact.

Agree on what you say. Just wanted to point out what I did. Paz.

[PVMonger]

Calling someone a dumb ass is not an attack? Of course it is.

There is more than one way to censor free speech. Search algoryhtms, factchecks, content warnings, deleting of accounts, de-monitarising accounts, burying of stories, control of media, obsequious media, control of social media, straight up banning of news channels. All this censorship is ok? You just don't like it when other countries do it.

FYI, Donnie the Dumbass was called "the dumbest student I ever taught" by one of his teachers. If that doesn't say "dumbass", I don't know what does.

So according to you, the only way to get "uncensored" free speech is how? By reading blogs? Is FUX Snooze obsequious? Or just left-leaning sources? If Truth Social deletes my account, is that bad? Or is it only bad if Twitter bans me?

[Elvis 2008]

It means, that for Elvis (and me, and most other ISGers, I suspect) the 99% survival rate is a fiction.

The fiction is anyone dying from Covid and that lockdowns that saved them. Tell me genius. How do people theoretically die from Covid and how do you distinguish it from other causes?

And of course, what our enlightened Elvis completely fails to recognize is a thing called long Covid. It's when you ain't dead, but sometimes you wish you were.

Just like you dumb lefties pillared Dr. Malone, who went on Joe Rogan's show and was labeled an antivaxxer, I was vaccinated and probably got Covid and long Covid after. Unlike him, my tests were negative. Obviously, you did not have it, or you wouldn't have made such a dumb comment about long Covid.

Long Covid is annoyance not a death wish dummy. I had a lousy cough, energy was down, and had a type of brain fog for 3 months, but I did not miss a day of work with it. My mother currently has the exact same symptoms I had right now and has also tested negative, and I have talked to dozens of people who say the same thing.

Thing about the cough is I tried tessalon perles for it, and they did not work like they so often do. I was in Colombia and asked the pharmacist about cough medicine. He gave me a gallon jug of cough syrup with codeine in it without my having a prescription, and that did work for the cough.

As for you Democratic douches caring about Covid, give me a break. You cared about being good slaves to the government.

House arrest: Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Imprisonment for questioning the vaccine: Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

Forced quarantine: Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Stripping people of their children: Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents' custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine. That's much more than twice the level of support in the rest of the electorate seven percent (7%) of Republicans and 11% of unaffiliated voters for such a policy.

And the worst of all this is the vaccine stopped working in later summer, early fall of 2021. Yeah, douche, you guys are really compassionate.

[JustTK]

This is true but the USA is made up of mostly of Europeans at least at one time and it is carrying on the traditions of the Colonial Powers. There really are no good guys and there never has been.

Right. But I advocate for a better world in which good guys can exist. As it stands, they are murdered or overthrown bcos they stand in the way of exploitation. There are and have been a few, but few and far in between. Mujeca is the best example I can think of right now. Lead Uruguay t obe the best country in South America. Based on many criteria. Although most USAns seem to think that the economy is the only factor worth considering / discussing.

[JustTK]

First, I never attacked Donnie the Dumbass. Rather, I attacked the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass. There is (supposedly) a difference.

And if "free speech" is censored, how come I was able to find the articles on the internet? In countries where "free speech" is really censored (North Korea, Iran, Belarus, China, Cuba, etc), the internet is isn't even available.

Calling someone a dumb ass is not an attack? Of course it is.

There is more than one way to censor free speech. Search algoryhtms, factchecks, content warnings, deleting of accounts, de-monitarising accounts, burying of stories, control of media, obsequious media, control of social media, straight up banning of news channels. All this censorship is ok? You just don't like it when other countries do it.

[JustTK]

Now you're playing dumb, I see!

What does covid deaths have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their domestic murder rate have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does their death penalty have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

What does all that word soup have to do with Putin's homicidal government?

Not at all. It appears you do not understand what homicide is. Or you are only counting the homicides from one country, whiich is obviously ridiculous. 300.000 registered violent deaths alone in Iraq, caused by USA illegal war. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/.

"What does it have to do with Putin's homicidal government?" - nothing directly, You claimed Russia was the most homicidal. I have given plain evidence that is total BS. Even if you just count war, which is only one slice of the cake.

[JustTK]

Give us some fact-based substantiation that refutes the facts cited in the Factcheck.

Here is one example of Factcheck getting it wrong:

https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-faceb...b-leak-theory/

The buried the lab leak theory, the buried the Great Barrington Declaration. YT is still censoring anything and anyone that says the vaxes don't help reduce transmission.

[EihTooms]

I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.

Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!

Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.

https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ

Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!.

Glad to see at least you are providing some useful substantiation links. Unlike most other pro Repub posters here.

That is an excellent video. And, as we now know after the fact, it was 100% accurate. Don't know how I missed it at the time.

They caught ironclad video evidence of Trump admiting that his "herd mentality / herd immunity" plan would produce millions of deaths vs the vaccines followed by ironclad video evidence of him promoting that very plan.

But where is the "crap" part to which you referred? It isn't about believing anything. It's about seeing and hearing what Trump actually said.

Of course, I could again and again provide the substantiation links showing Trump spending nearly all of critical Trump's Pandenic creation year of 2020 promoting and enacting his plan to kill "millions" by assuring the world that his Pandemic's virus is "disappearing, we've got it under control, it will go away without a vaccine. " A vaccine he sends a loud and clear repeated message that no one should bother inventing or taking.

But that would be overkill in light of your excellent video link showing and proving how he did it in real time.

Thanks for saving me some time. Now, back to choosing which cute 20-22 year old girl I'll allow to come over to pop her legs or mouth open for my load tonight.

[Xpartan]

Let's begin with a simple fact that the mortality rate is pointless.

Why? Because in February there were 3,000 deaths daily. Today, it's "only" 300+.

Which is why making any kinds of conclusions by the current 1% mortality rate is dumb. The mortality rate is not constant.

The case fatality rate isnt constant: it changes with the context

Sometimes commentators talk about the CFR as if its a single, steady number: an unchanging fact about the disease.

But its not a biological constant; instead, it reflects the situation in a particular context, at a particular time, in a particular population.

The probability that someone dies from a disease doesnt just depend on the disease itself, but also on the treatment they receive, and on the patients own ability to recover from it.

This means that the CFR can decrease or increase over time, as responses change; and it can vary by location and by the characteristics of the infected population, such as age, or sex. For instance, older populations would expect to see a higher CFR from COVID-19 than younger ones.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

[Deleted by Admin]

There is no such thing as a 1% fatality rate.

Some people are young and healthy. For them, the CFR will be miniscule, much less than 1%.

For older people who are reasonably healthy it'll be higher.

For older but fully vaccinated people it'll lower.

For older people who're not healthy higher.

For old people with systemic diseases the CFR is far above 1%. In May 2022 the mortality of people over 60 years old was 4. 5%. But for the subset of those who are fully vaccinated it'll be lower..

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9125886/

It means, that for Elvis (and me, and most other ISGers, I suspect) the 99% survival rate is a fiction.

And of course, what our enlightened Elvis completely fails to recognize is a thing called long Covid. It's when you ain't dead, but sometimes you wish you were.

Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have "Long COVID".

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/n...2/20220622.htm#text=Overall%2 see%201%20 in%2013%20 adults, long%20 COVID%20 than%20 younger%20 adults.

But what the hell. None of that matters as long as they can enjoy throwing shit at the same people who've been keeping them alive.

[Tiny 12]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...nesty-pandemic

The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.

Unlike the douches here, the Atlantic seems to realize they were wrong about Covid and people are still pretty pissed about it. Of course, that is not why I liked the story. I loved this epic response to the Atlantic.

Heysorry you lost your job be / see of the vax that doesn't work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn't have a funeral and your brother's business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problemsbut let's just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?

It's too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this countrylooking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streetsbut it was a confusing time for everyone.

Hey I'm sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children's lives.

OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You're welcome! Let's be friends.

That only thing the statement above lacks is a microphone dropping.

I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.

Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!

Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.

https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ

Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!

There are people out there who still believe this crap! And who still say those who didn't get vaccinated shouldn't get medical care for COVID! They're probably the ones who still wear masks outdoors as a sign of their political correctness and moral superiority, but get pissed off when people suggest they stop smoking or wear condoms. There were about 20,000 of them in the college town where I lived during 2020. Well, our COVID mortality rate AT THAT TIME was indeed lower than some places, but the STD infection rate was also among the highest in the country.

[EihTooms]

Who said that? You hearing voices again?

And how is this good for you? Do you work an entry level job? Are you working the front desk at a Fairfield Inn? I thought you would this uber rich millionaire living it up in Thailand? Or maybe you meant to say you thought you were.

For those of us who do not have voice ringing in our head, there is a thing called supply and demand. Entry level jobs go to 18 to 21 year olds, and this time frame corresponds to the end of the dot com era. When families are hit financially, they have fewer kids and for the next decade or so, there is an undersupply of entry level workers, people who will be 18 to 21. If there are the same number of jobs but fewer workers, those workers can be picky and demand more pay like they have done.

Oh, I was just preemptively providing the usual No Substantiation Repub / pro Repub Bothsider response to good news about Biden's historic roaring economic recovery. In this case, it was good news that Trump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction Inflation has clearly not been bad enough to prevent classic Dem stewardship from continuing to create plenty of jobs, and higher wage jobs, to reasonably deal with it.

As a USA citizen who pays and does not pride himself in dodging USA taxes, owns rental property in one of the great states that make extraordinarily high contributions to the USA and world economies as well as maintaining a meaningful investment in virtually every industry and public company in America, naturally a solid, growing, expanding Dem economy in historic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction is "good for me."

My question is, why wouldn't that be good for you and other admitted and wiggly Repubs?

Yes, I know all about wage-triggered inflation. If you don't or can't deal with that then best you always and only vote Dem from now on and tell all of your Inflation-hating friends to do the same. Then Repubs won't be in a position to Crash the USA economy, wipe out millions upon millions of jobs and produce the kind of horrific results that require proven Dem recovery measures that inevitably will produce some notable inflation.

I realize Inflation can be kept low the preferred Repub way; by either producing one or two Great Repub Recessions in a single term or, as in at least one example, produce enough smaller ones to result in the country languishing in a near constant state of Recession for FIVE of a Repub's eight years in office. But my wallet, my portfolio, my rent rolls, my tax dollars' use and my country, the USA, fares much, much better when Dem stewardship produces far superior results than that.

As the above has been proven here time and time again to be the Dem vs Repub results with a multitude of substantiation links to the data, historic and current actual record on the most important economic metrics.