American Politics

[Paulie97]

This is a good point, and perhaps the reason death rates for younger people went up substantially during COVID. Crime rates went up to. Staying at home sitting on one's ass is not the natural state of man. It can cause mental as well as physical problems, that in extreme cases can result in suicide.

Anyone who committed suicide over Covid had serious personal issues before Covid came along. As I correctly said from the beginning, it was to be a two to three year event, based on other pandemics throughout history. The aim was always to reduce deaths and hinder the overflow of hospitals while vaccines and effective treatments could be developed. This naturally wasn't accomplished with perfection, but a lot of locales found a pretty good balance.

[Tiny 12]

Again with the "Great Barrington Declaration"?

That worthless piece-of-trash "declaration" mentioned herd immunity no less than 5 times. And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID. There have been about 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide in the almost 3 years since the pandemic began. There are about 7 million people in the world. Even if the number of cases have been understated by half, that's still a 20% infection rate, far less than the 80% required for "herd immunity".

A "cold virus"? Really? You can't be that ignorant to believe that SARS-CoV-2 is a rhinovirus (the virus that causes most colds). It isn't. I could cite medical articles that say that SARS-CoV-2 is not a rhinovirus but you wouldn't believe them.

"Died of pure COVID"? Ahhhh yes, the old standby of the Moron Brigade. You doofuses believe that anybody who had a PEC (even a hangnail) and COVID died of the PEC and not COVID.

PLEASE. 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide and 7 million people in the world? Your numbers are off by three orders of magnitude. Your percentage, 20%, is in the ballpark of 2 X (official infections)/(world population). However, that's meaningless, with regard to what you're trying to show. There are a lot of people who had COVID and who aren't counted, because they weren't tested, or just used a home test. Well over 60% of Americans have COVID antibodies indicative of disease, and over 95% have antibodies from disease and or vaccination. I believe I've read estimates that 98% of Americans have some immunity.

And correct, this is like the flu so there is no herd immunity. But immunity through infection is considered by some researchers and doctors to be as effective or more effective than vaccines. At this point in time vaccination mandates don't make a whole lot of sense. Because almost everyone has some immunity, and a lot of the unvaccinated are as well or better protected than many of the vaccinated.

[Tiny 12]

Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.

This is a good point, and perhaps the reason death rates for younger people went up substantially during COVID. Crime rates went up to. Staying at home sitting on one's ass is not the natural state of man. It can cause mental as well as physical problems, that in extreme cases can result in suicide. People weren't getting timely medical care because the hospitals and doctors weren't doing nonessential procedures.

My knees are shot because of COVID. My gym closed for several months, and afterwards I cut back on gym usage even though I felt pretty comfortable there with my KN95 masks. I did a lot of running instead, like every day, and the rest is history.

[Elvis 2008]

And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID.

This is a classic Democrat bullshit line "every reputable expert" means all "experts" towing the Democratic douche party line.

The guys who wrote the GBD were professors from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford, had prominent cosigners, and had nearly a millionaire other people sign off on what they wrote.

Here is a list of these people.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.

Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.

Co-signers.

Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners.

Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.

Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.

Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George's Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.

Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.

Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.

Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.

Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.

Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.

Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.

Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.

Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.

Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.

Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.

Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.

Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.

Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.

Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.

Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.

Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.

Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.

Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA.

Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England.

Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England.

Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England.

Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen's University, Canada.

Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.

Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.

Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England.

Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.

Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India.

Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA.

Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA.

Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand.

Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Dr. Stephen Bremner, professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England.

Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA.

Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA.

Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.

Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany.

Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel.

Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England.

So here we ago again. Just like Xpartan, we have PVM, another Democratic douche who thinks quoting MSNBC makes him look smart.

[EihTooms]

Was not Trump.

Yep, even before he created Trump's Pandemic with economic decisions that led directly to him leaving office with 3. 1 million fewer jobs in America than the day he took office, Trump was a weak job-creating so-called potus compared to any Dem, especially Biden.

And that is even with the horrific economic headwinds Trump left behind for Biden to deal with and overcome.

U.S. payrolls surged by 261,000 in October, better than expected as hiring remains strong

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/jobs...ndroidappshare

Even with the reduced pace, job growth has been well ahead of its pre-pandemic level, in which monthly payroll growth averaged 164,000 in 2019.

'I will be the greatest jobs president that God has ever created: Trump.
June 16, 2015

https://nypost.com/2015/06/16/i-will...created-trump/

LOL. This one is particularly good for a laugh coming from Mr. Infrastructure Week X Four Do Nothing Years:

Trump vows 25 million jobs, most of any president.
January 20, 2017

https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/20/new...ges/index.html

The only specifics he mentioned in his inaugural address were building new highways, bridges, railways and airports "all across our wonderful nation."

Trump has outlined the rest of his plan on his website and during the campaign. In addition to infrastructure spending, he wants a massive tax cut for businesses and individuals, a rollback of regulations and renegotiating trade deals and actions, especially with China and Mexico.

Well, Sleepy Joe Brandon sure kicked Trump's butt on that one too.

It is astonishing how dumb people are who fall for typically pro-Repub MSM's spin that "Republicans handle the economy better than Democrats" and that the topic of the economy favors Trump-aligned Repub candidates this time around. Or that it ever ought to favor Repubs without MSM's herculean efforts to spin it that way, really.

[Elvis 2008]

Trained medical professionals how they know whether or not you have Covid, and they will be able to give you an answer.

No, trained medical professionals say that people die with Covid or had Covid related deaths. The media and some members of government change died WITH Covid to died FROM Covid and idiots like you lap it up. For those of us who actually use our brain, there is a huge difference between correlation and causation.

Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.

I have no idea Elvis.

So I imply you are ignorant, and you admit it. Xpartan, JustTK is right. Why have a discussion with someone who I suspected and now admits to being ignorant? When I ask you how people die of Covid, are you really so stupid as to not look it up?

And I know what you are going to do with the information I gave you above which is nothing. In your pea brain mind, what I said is not objective information. You will just wave it away with a hand, "Eh, that is just Elvis. ".

Do YOU have a medical professional who says person X died from Covid and here is why? Hell, you already admitted you do not and what is worse is, you imagine that all these professionals are on your side. So the reality is that you think everyone else is crazy while YOU are the one who is delusional. You are just allied with people as ignorant as you are.

[JustTK]

It appeared to be something about Facebook. And you referenced YouTube.

What about refuting the facts cited on that particular Factcheck link I posted, the one that triggered a series of posts insisting we shouldn't believe what we read on Factcheck or produced by other fact checkers?

I didn't realise you were asking about a specific fact. Which one was it? Or was it about Youtube in general? Youtube, where videos carry warnings and accounts are blocked if a content creator tells the truth that COVID vaxes do not help prevent the transmission of the virus?

[JustTK]

Real MPs speak out about NATO terrorism and the hypocrisy of the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eGslPCto0

Imagine if other MPs around the world and especially in the USA showed this kind of courage and honesty!! The world would be a much better place. This is what 'American Politics' should be about. Not endless Biden / Trump / economy name calling.

[PVMonger]

It is great that you were not hurt Tiny but what about the people who were? Do you have a child two years behind where they should be academically? Have you talked to people who were forced to get the vaccine and harmed by it? How about the people who were forced to get it even though they have natural immunity? Why was that decision made and and who made it?

As for listening, you are not wearing a mask right now right? Why have you stopped? Covid is still around and people are allegedly still dying from it every day. If that has not changed, then why have you stopped wearing one? Because the government told you not to? Why did they do that, science or politics? And by the way, Biden has kept us under emergency rule even now because of Covid after he publicly declared the pandemic over.

And as of now, you still have all these Democratic douches who believe their stupid shit worked versus the virus just running its course. Lockdowns, social distancing, and hand sanitizers were a complete fucking joke. All these were worthless. Given that masks might work, I think you would be a fool not to wear one around someone with Covid. OTOH, wearing them outside is moronic and at the supermarket makes no sense either. Enclosed in a bus or subway with poor ventilation may have made sense but that is about it. Too often wearing masks and getting the vaccine (after the summer of 2021) was not helpful in preventing disease but a sign you were compliant with government..

Again with the "Great Barrington Declaration"?

That worthless piece-of-trash "declaration" mentioned herd immunity no less than 5 times. And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID. There have been about 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide in the almost 3 years since the pandemic began. There are about 7 million people in the world. Even if the number of cases have been understated by half, that's still a 20% infection rate, far less than the 80% required for "herd immunity".

A "cold virus"? Really? You can't be that ignorant to believe that SARS-CoV-2 is a rhinovirus (the virus that causes most colds). It isn't. I could cite medical articles that say that SARS-CoV-2 is not a rhinovirus but you wouldn't believe them.

"Died of pure COVID"? Ahhhh yes, the old standby of the Moron Brigade. You doofuses believe that anybody who had a PEC (even a hangnail) and COVID died of the PEC and not COVID.

[EihTooms]

In Trump's own words:

Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus.
Oct. 25, 2022

https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-...091902598.html

Talking to Woodward on March 19, 2020, Trump said Barron, then 13, asked what was going on and he answered: I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.

Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.
March 23, 2020

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...dc-embed-quick

President Donald Trump loves to blame China for the coronavirus pandemic, but new information surfaced over the weekend that the administration eliminated a position last July that potentially could have helped the US get an earlier jump on a response to the crisis, suggesting the president may need to place blame a little closer to home.

The Trump administration told the United States embed at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that the position would be defunded, causing her to leave her post in July 2019, according to a report from Reuterss Marisa Taylor. The embed helped train Chinese public health experts and served in part as a liaison between Chinese officials and their counterparts in the US.

With the administration planning to discontinue the role, the embed return to the US about five months before China began to see its first Covid-19 cases. Under normal circumstances, the embed likely would have passed information about the novel virus to US officials. Instead, Chinese officials were able for weeks to conceal the virus and the threat it posed, leading to a delay in the worlds response to what was then a matter of great concern and is now a pandemic.

Hence, "Trump's Pandemic" and the millions of deaths, the global economic and supply-chain collapse, the massive job losses, the current hyper-inflation, everything that resulted from Trump's disastrous economi decisions, his horrific economic stewardship and his criminal negligence of National Security. Problem is, any Repub would have made exactly those same disastrous decisions. That's what they do for a living.

Even Trump admitted "the world wouldn't have a problem. We could have stopped it easily," had it not been for Trump and his disastrous decisions going back long before 2020.

[EihTooms]

Here is one example of Factcheck getting it wrong:

https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-faceb...b-leak-theory/

The buried the lab leak theory, the buried the Great Barrington Declaration. YT is still censoring anything and anyone that says the vaxes don't help reduce transmission.

I couldn't read your link because it was blocked by a subscription / registration required pop up. It appeared to be something about Facebook. And you referenced YouTube.

What about refuting the facts cited on that particular Factcheck link I posted, the one that triggered a series of posts insisting we shouldn't believe what we read on Factcheck or produced by other fact checkers?

[Xpartan]

You are so blind, its not worth having a discussion w you.

Says every man in the world who has lost an argument.

[ChuchoLoco]

Access to funds is often conditional upon actions aligned w USA strategy. You can't be an "enemy" of the USA and still get access to funding.

And mostly funds are tied to preconditions such as speniding those same funds on develpments managed, staffed and powered, you guessed it, by USA companies.

So true again and for those that are not familiar with the term, it is called Neo Colonialism. A couple good books by a guy who calls himself the Economic Hitman. John Perkins. Just look at Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua in Latin America.

[JustTK]

You've got some good points. I'm not sure I agree about the IMF and the World Bank. Those two institutions have helped out a lot of poor countries. Although, yeah, there's been corruption with World Bank programs in particular.

Access to funds is often conditional upon actions aligned w USA strategy. You can't be an "enemy" of the USA and still get access to funding.

And mostly funds are tied to preconditions such as speniding those same funds on develpments managed, staffed and powered, you guessed it, by USA companies.

[JustTK]

And finally, since I have a large nose, N95 masks make me more appealing to women. My typical outfit when trolling bars is a mask, aviator goggles, a sleeveless T-shirt and Bermuda shorts. Women can't resist that!

Ah, I knew that I had seen you some place before! Your not on of those that needs DFK.

Haha.