FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[Rocko20]

Catalea is a model type but her prices have gone up and service down. Meanwhile she wears very heavy make up. 200 for 60 min is definitely overpriced. When she was new in business, she used to kiss, some session were longer than agreed 30 min with GFE like experience. She didn't kiss during last last session few months back. Her service is not the same.

Her body is flawless but her face is just so so. Service has definitely declined but is still decent. There are very few girls can keep their service level high over time and I don't blame them. Workaholics are rare in real life. Just move on and find next one.

I agree to an extent. Flawless model body, great face, but her smile is so-so (it's the short teeth that look weird, in my opinion). And she smokes like crazy, as do plenty of other women in the club unfortunately. And the pussy isn't the tightest (sounds silly but you start to notice and compare these things when you've seen the same women so often).

As far as pricing and service goes, let's be fair, she can charge whatever she wants (as can Brenda). However, some women are trying to charge 100 euros for 30 minutes, and that's crazy, because they look far worse. Every woman thinks they're worth 100 euros for 30 minutes and what's worse, they harass you to try to get it. I wish there was a no harassing the customer policy.

Usually it's a package: the GFE experience. Never took it: a girl that offer that type of extra is usually not very good, and there is so many girls that do great services why bother with those girls?

I never took it either. In my opinion, a GFE is taking a girl out to movies, dinner, sightseeing for several hours to all day. Its not 30-60 minutes of laying on a bed. I dont want any extra costs, upselling, ad-ons, kissing, etc. I want the BBBJ, sex with condom, and I will decide later if I want to re-book you.

Hookers are not very good businesswomen. The girls saw an opportunity and increased their prices by 100%.

I disagree, if a WG looks like Catalina or Brenda and provides good service, she has every right to charge whatever she wants. Supply and demand.

But if she provides bad service (rushed, complaining, time watcher, upselling etc), no matter what she looks like, then that is a stupid woman who will not get repeat clients. As well as the ones who get fat and still expect to make money.

[Escape Artist]

You cheap charlies have it all wrong. If the girls were making 2 x, I would be jumping for joy. That means an influx of great talent that will drive down the price. Instead, you are seeing the equivalent of a death spiral of a failing restaurant. Girl are increasing prices because they can't cover their costs. That is desperation. It is like a restaurant during covid increasing prices and reducing portions. That only drives the customers away, exacerbing the problem until failure. I suspect the clubs have increased the entry for girls due to fewer male guest. In the next few years, many clubs will fail. There were already too many clubs which were too big before covid. The smarter punters and girls have moved on to different venues or quit the business. One of the most successful clubs (I don't count the mega clubs) is Golden Time. They kept prices relatively low and service was high. Sure, they had a door policy. But that was to keep the undesirable people out. It attracted rich guys who were spending money on the girls instead of sitting around and eating. Many drove hours from Belgium to visit the club. The working girls made so much money, there was a wait list and management frequently let underperformers go. They listened to customer complaints, made corrections and frequently plowed money back into the business so that things were fresh. It was a perfect balance between customers, management and the girls. The key to any club is talent (looks and service) along with big spenders. The smart Germans always knew that they benefitted from the high spending tourists. This attracted better girls and they got better prices. The cheap punter always complains about prices. Well, there are always lower cost options like street walkers and flop houses. With the coming inflation and dire economy, things will probably get worse. A smart girl keeps her service high relative to the other girls and is constantly busy. That allows her to choose the best clients instead of the other way around. She will earn more because she works more and some guys will actually pay more just to secure a slot. In the past, there were some girls that were in so much demand that punters would offer higher rates or prepay just to get a session. But that only works when there is a lot of money in the room.

I agree with the majority of this post but hold some reservation with a few points. The assessment of the great girls staying busy by keeping up service and selecting their customers is right on however there is a flaw into thinking that would be the norm for more than a few unicorns. Girls like Mandy, Sandra, and Evita of Sharks, Kate of GT and Gold, or Lucy of Acapulco / Great Palast / Penelope are the rare unicorns who practice this work model. It is a pipe dream to think that there would be enough girls like that for that sort of work ethic and professionalism to become the norm.

I sort of concur with the club death spiral prediction except that we can see that clubs can remain open even with slow businesses. Oase, Manhattan, and World have not been packed clubs for an extended amount of time since at least 5 years ago, yet somehow they remain open. My first thought of answering how this can be is that these clubs exist to be more than just a profitable business. Manhattan and World are owned by Hells Angels syndicates so it's easy to guess why these unprofitable to barely profitable businesses stayed open all of these years. Oase is basically a rich owner's playground so being profitable is not the concern. Perhaps Sharks is different since they seem to be a club that reinvest money in itself as evident by the constant renovations. Then again, it's easy to launder a lot of money by writing off renovation expenses by inflating the renovation cost and doing the job cheaply and reporting a higher market-appropriate cost.

[Pessimist]

There are some on here that think they should be paying a figure based on inflation and / or average workers pay increases in the last x years. The simple fact of the matter is the girls can charge what they like. If people don't like a 100% increase then they too can exercise their right to not pay it.

Your last sentence is a bit redundant, no? Yes, pretty much all the guys who stayed away from the clubs have been exercising that right in a way. Only a few thousand mongers attend, several millions stay away.

As freelance girls on their own they could charge what they want but in a club, management has a right to put a structure around pricing. If a girl charged your friend 50 but charged you 100 for the same, you too may get passed. Just one example. One of the things we all liked about FKKs was that there was a known price structure in place. It is a major turnoff to haggle every little bit of service with every girl.

CPI indexing would be silly. If inflation was 2%, 50 becomes 51, then 52 and a couple of pennies and so on. Prices were bound to go up in steps, but whether the right amount is 10 or 20 or 50 or 100, that is up for debate.

[Akibono]

Most EU employees working for a pay check didn't get a 20% pay increase (from 50430 to 60430 is 20 percent) 5-10 years ago. As a matter of fact, they still don't get a 20% pay increase, despite the massive inflation, yet the WGs recently got a 100% pay increase!

So while most European employees barely got any pay increases for many years while still paying ever-increasing taxes to support the socialist spending programs from corrupt politicians, WGs have been living a more or less tax free lifestyle while at the same time hiking their prices because stupid sex tourists were overpaying for standard services by leaving gigantic tips and-or by paying for extras that were part of the standard package.

Another major point it that all those transactions in FKK clubs are in cash only over which those WG pay almost ZERO income taxes. Since a few years WGs now pay some symbolic tax each month because they need to be registered, but this probably is just a fraction of what they actually make. In today's environment how will the German tax ever find out how many rooms a WG does per year? Answer: never!.

You cheap charlies have it all wrong. If the girls were making 2 x, I would be jumping for joy. That means an influx of great talent that will drive down the price. Instead, you are seeing the equivalent of a death spiral of a failing restaurant. Girl are increasing prices because they can't cover their costs. That is desperation. It is like a restaurant during covid increasing prices and reducing portions. That only drives the customers away, exacerbing the problem until failure. I suspect the clubs have increased the entry for girls due to fewer male guest. In the next few years, many clubs will fail. There were already too many clubs which were too big before covid. The smarter punters and girls have moved on to different venues or quit the business. One of the most successful clubs (I don't count the mega clubs) is Golden Time. They kept prices relatively low and service was high. Sure, they had a door policy. But that was to keep the undesirable people out. It attracted rich guys who were spending money on the girls instead of sitting around and eating. Many drove hours from Belgium to visit the club. The working girls made so much money, there was a wait list and management frequently let underperformers go. They listened to customer complaints, made corrections and frequently plowed money back into the business so that things were fresh. It was a perfect balance between customers, management and the girls. The key to any club is talent (looks and service) along with big spenders. The smart Germans always knew that they benefitted from the high spending tourists. This attracted better girls and they got better prices. The cheap punter always complains about prices. Well, there are always lower cost options like street walkers and flop houses. With the coming inflation and dire economy, things will probably get worse. A smart girl keeps her service high relative to the other girls and is constantly busy. That allows her to choose the best clients instead of the other way around. She will earn more because she works more and some guys will actually pay more just to secure a slot. In the past, there were some girls that were in so much demand that punters would offer higher rates or prepay just to get a session. But that only works when there is a lot of money in the room.

[HammerTime96]

Usually it's a package: the GFE experience. Never took it: a girl that offer that type of extra is usually not very good, and there is so many girls that do great services why bother with those girls?

Exactly!

When a WG gives someone the bullshit "my standard service costs 50, but if you want it extra nice with kissing then it costs 100" upsell line, then there is only one possible correct answer: say "no thank you" and walk away!

Her standard service will suck and her 'extra nice' service will suck too, with a high probability that she will ruin the entire experience by continuing to upsell while in the room after the customer has agreed to the 'extra nice' service. She won't care though, because at this point she will know that; a) the customer is a tourist so she will most likely not run into him again, b) the customer is a 'simp' and he will most likely not cause a scene at the reception, and c) she will get paid for the verbally agreed upon 'extra nice' service anyway, regardless if she fucks him or not.

Being a simp: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simp.

[Jon75]

Who do you guys think provide the most GFE service at Sharks?

[Canary]

I just spoke with 2 men in Sauna club Penelope in Dortmund tonight and they told me that as of yesterday the Sharks owners asked the girls to drop their price down to $70 from $100 to try and bring back customers.

Can anyone verify this?

They showed me some comments about it on another German site.

I was in Sharks last week and the prices were still $100.

I'll head back to Sharks in 2 days to confirm.

Well I was at the club earlier this week and took five rooms with five different girls and all charged the new norm of 150 an hour.

I choose well as three gave excellent service, one was good and the other so so.

You can still get a good service at Sharks but you have to select well.

There are 3/4 girls I know that charge the old club rate (100 1 hour) but obviously they are not stunners.

The guy who said the rates have generally dropped was totally incorrect.

[Pessimist]

Actually I doubt that very much. Such a haughty vigilante would certainly have been shouted down. 50/30 was around like forever. A few years ago many girls were actually charging 100/30 to include DFK and DATY. Actually from as early as 2011/12. Very few girls even suggested 75/30, their increases were always by 100%.

Here is a link.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...442&viewfull=1#post2030442.

Read the comments around mid 2017 when the laws changed in Germany. There was tons of discussion in various thread ahead of that change and after. Even at that time, any proposal to increase the price to 60 for 30 minutes was met with a lot of vehemence.

Yes, some girls charged extra for DFK. Not that many for DATY as I recall. I think most mongers either avoided them or took the 50 sessions w / o DFK or DATY. I never paid extra for those. Some girls would include DFK in a 100 for 60 and I was OK with that.

I can see why girls didn't care as much for 10 E and 20 E increments. Even a decade ago, their focus was on snagging Asian tourists who would pay double and triple the rate or upselling quick extras like CIM. Some girls did ask for tips but that's about it. The 60 E for 30 proposal always originated from mongers but there was considerable resistance.

[Turgid]

If someone suggested paying 60 per half a few years ago on this site, a bunch of haughty vigilantes would jump on them and beat up with "you are destroying the market. Shame on you" attacks. Now we are wishing for 75/30 min.

Actually I doubt that very much. Such a haughty vigilante would certainly have been shouted down. 50/30 was around like forever. A few years ago many girls were actually charging 100/30 to include DFK and DATY. Actually from as early as 2011/12. Very few girls even suggested 75/30, their increases were always by 100%.

[Hyperion2007]

I got the feeling both would be billed separately so it would be 200/30.

Usually it's a package: the GFE experience. Never took it: a girl that offer that type of extra is usually not very good, and there is so many girls that do great services why bother with those girls?

[HammerTime96]

If someone suggested paying 60 per half a few years ago on this site, a bunch of haughty vigilantes would jump on them and beat up with "you are destroying the market. Shame on you" attacks. Now we are wishing for 75/30 min.

Most EU employees working for a pay check didn't get a 20% pay increase (from 50430 to 60430 is 20 percent) 5-10 years ago. As a matter of fact, they still don't get a 20% pay increase, despite the massive inflation, yet the WGs recently got a 100% pay increase!

So while most European employees barely got any pay increases for many years while still paying ever-increasing taxes to support the socialist spending programs from corrupt politicians, WGs have been living a more or less tax free lifestyle while at the same time hiking their prices because stupid sex tourists were overpaying for standard services by leaving gigantic tips and-or by paying for extras that were part of the standard package.

Another major point it that all those transactions in FKK clubs are in cash only over which those WG pay almost ZERO income taxes. Since a few years WGs now pay some symbolic tax each month because they need to be registered, but this probably is just a fraction of what they actually make. In today's environment how will the German tax ever find out how many rooms a WG does per year? Answer: never!

WGs want to justify their ridiculous prices? Great, so then let's level the playing field by stationing some German tax office inspectors at the door leading to the girl's changing room, inspect how much cash the WG has in her hand after getting paid, and then let those WGs pay German income taxes and social insurance premiums over every since Euro they make, because this has been the reality for us male customers for many many years!

Regarding the overpaying, I've asked this before, but never got an answer from the 'geniuses' here: why would anyone voluntarily pay more for something? Next time when you buy a t-shirt online or in a shop, look to see if there's an option to overpay. When you buy a $50 k car, would you voluntarily pay $55 k 'because you feel sorry for the sales guy / gal?' When you go to the supermarket, do you tip the cashier 10-20% 'because he / she is so nice?' When you get a $80 electricity bill, do you send them $100 and tell them 'keep the change?' Of course not!

The level of Socialist Stupidity here is mind-boggling. LOL!

[Abox79]

If someone suggested paying 60 per half a few years ago on this site, a bunch of haughty vigilantes would jump on them and beat up with "you are destroying the market. Shame on you" attacks. Now we are wishing for 75/30 min.

There are some on here that think they should be paying a figure based on inflation and / or average workers pay increases in the last x years. The simple fact of the matter is the girls can charge what they like. If people don't like a 100% increase then they too can exercise their right to not pay it.

[Hyperion2007]

I was in Sharks last weekend and nothing changed price wise. As someone wrote prices only ever go up in these places not down. I went with 3 girls I've been with before and none had changed their price, of course they are very unlikely to say to me I could pay less than before.

It was a complete invention, the forum were this rumor originated is primarily for winny little men whose only metric for the quality of a girl is how much money she ask.

I'm sure the bad reports on here isn't helping, before I went to Sharks for the very first time 5 years ago I read reports on ISG and they were all favourable now the reports would put me off. Personally I still enjoy my time there, I tried Acapulco Gold once and just found in boring, Sharks on a weekend still has a good atmosphere.

I am really sad for the english speaking people whose almost only source for information about FKKs is here. You already have some report of people who tried low cost clubs in NRW because of some post here, to go back without one room and stay bored all day in a small club.

Sharks is evidently the best club in Germany right now and it's not in spite of the fact that the girls are expensive, it's because of it. The management should not ask of the girls to lower their prices but they need to get rid of the bad apples that give shitty services.

[Sirioja]

I got the feeling both would be billed separately so it would be 200/30.

When German escorts are for 150/200/60 with FK, DATY fingering and no entry to pay. I will save my money from upselling Sharks girls like I do about Oase, to pay E85 for V8 which make me more hard than average looks.

[Pessimist]

Hookers are not very good businesswomen. The girls saw an opportunity and increased their prices by 100%. Such an increase will obviously have a negative impact on arrivals of clientele especially from foreign countries. A 50% increase would have been wiser. Are the girls making more money now than before the augmentation? If they are then I may be wrong.

If someone suggested paying 60 per half a few years ago on this site, a bunch of haughty vigilantes would jump on them and beat up with "you are destroying the market. Shame on you" attacks. Now we are wishing for 75/30 min.