Seeking Arrangements

[Voodoo Jones]

Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."

[AmericanPi]

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

Girls that favorite me I assume are garbage because hot girls have plenty of options on the site. Too many to respond to.

I also learned that girls who don't pay can respond to messages but they just can't initiate. So girls who message you first are honestly probably scammers or pros.

[DramaFree11]

Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

I am on the plane as we speak, leaving MTY on the way to CDMX.

[TedFerguson]

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.

Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

[Voodoo Jones]

So this one Medellin woman favorited me and I messaged her. She asked "what are you willing to offer?" and because I know never to discuss money on the site, I gave her my normal response of "mutual benefits and let's meet to see if we like each other". Now I probably messed up my usual wording because she assumed I just wanted to have a dinner date without going back to my hotel. Again, I watch what I say so I don't get banned and my usual responses have worked. They know what I really mean and we talk specifics after I get her number. But this one had the audacity to ask for 200 K just for dinner to "make sure it's worth her time".

The fact that she listed an amount on the site gives me another reason to not even reply. I could ask for her number and try to clear things up, but she's already fucked things up.

Otherwise, things are going well on the site and I'm getting more results than in Bogota. I only met up with 3 Seeking women in Bogota (didn't want to over schedule, which I now know was a mistake), but they were all great experiences. One of them I saw 6 different days over 2 trips and we still text time to time.

[The Cane]

I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.

But I don't have a public picture. Making it all the more reason why I feel I should ignore anyone who favorites me without even looking at my full profile. They're just "speed favoriting" trying to suck in and scam a sucker.

[CarloRogue]

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.

For a counterpoint, I did quite well with SA in the Philippines. As anywhere else, if you only pursue the 9's and 10's (and there are some stunners on there), you have to be aware that they already know their worth and are pursued accordingly. I met several sweet young ladies there, more of the GND type, but they can be just as fun (sometimes more so) and usually more down to earth. Now I also can't resist taking a few shots at the dime-pieces, but I keep my expectations low (I did, and minimized the time wasted).

[Voodoo Jones]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?

I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.

[Elvis 2008]

Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

LOL. Good one, Ted. I wonder if you would have had better luck with some of the Paraguayans in BA.

I felt like Venezuelans had much the same attitude. Here you had two countries that were previously rich and then became poor through political management, and there was this like no negative attitude towards stealing / scamming. Thing is unlike Venezuela, Argentina has one of the greatest oil finds in the world AND great agricultural land. They should be rolling in dough but you just know that somehow the country will stay poor while some president puts billions away in some Swiss bank account just like Chavez did.

For what it is worth, I did not find that attitude in Peru or Paraguay. The best looking Paraguayans I saw were in Bolivia, and I heard a lot moved to Chile. I doubt Chile has that scammer attitude of Argentina / Venezuela though I have not been there.

The two great civilizations of Latin America were in Mexico and Peru, and the Peruvian women like the Mexican ones are great in the world of art and in the kitchen. And while they do typically max out at a 7 looks wise, I remember having one who was an 8 in a massage parlor there and a 9 in a strip club. They could have been Colombian women. I did not ask.

Still, you are not going to have that degree of fuckery in Peru. The women in Peru are sweet, very sexual, and talented. They just do not look that good. LOL. Mr. Enternational famously does not really pay much heed to looks and that is why Peru may be his favorite country. The only other caveat is that prices on hotels and food in Peru are more in line with the USA than Mexico or Colombia.

So Ted, if you are willing to sacrifice a little looks wise, Lima, Peru is an interesting place. Thing is the temperature is moderate but there is a lot of fog and not much sun.

I had a Paraguayan SB in the USA whose pic is below and besides her near perfect figure, she was horny as fuck. Santa Cruz, Bolivia has about the same climate as Medellin, but the people in Bolivia are much nicer. There are a few strip clubs there and there were several Paraguyan women I met with figures similar to my sugar baby.

So I go to a strip club and find one with a figure like this and pull her to my place for a few hours. We are in the cab, and I usually can get a feel for a woman by how horny she is in the cab. Well, this gal grabs me by the neck launches her tongue down my throat and with the other hand grabs my hand and forces me to play with her pussy.

We go at it twice in two hours in my hotel and I am beat. I can still remember that tight, tight ass and her screaming while I grabbed her hair and banged her from behind. I missed the read on this on though. She would have stayed and fucked me all day long had I invited her to, and I could have had her bare. Oh well.

The nicest hotel was actually a condo complex called Buganvillas. One of the things I noticed in Colombia with sugar baby prospects is how much more willing they are to hang out if you have a nice hotel. My favorite was the Marriott in Bogota with its great restaurants, indoor pool, great gym, and nice bar. Buganvillas was like that. The gal would have stayed just for the pool and bar.

And the food is fantastic. You can grow anything in Santa Cruz, and the steak I had there was the best I have had in all of South America.

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.

[The Cane]

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

Well now that I think about it, with the one smashing success I had, she was getting slammed by contacts and was almost ready to quit the site. She didn't favorite me until after we started talking. Hmmm. Just thinking of strategies for how to make it better if and when I decide to try it again. I mean some tactics are easy. If a girl tries to tell me she's from my town, but I can see that the last time "she" was on she was coming from Morocco (and she's too stupid to use the site tools to hide her location), then that's an automatic block. I guess I'm trying to come up with a set of rules I feel confident with in order to decide relatively quickly who should be blocked immediately without question. Blocking somebody who favorited me without even looking at my profile seems to be a good one. Was just wondering if you had seen that, and how you handled. You have a lot of experience with SA, and I always appreciate your input and perspectives on it.

[Steve 9696]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

[MiamiBoy1]

Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia.

Great report, Ted! Thanks! What are the asking rates or the rates that you paid?

[The Cane]

While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.

I understand what you experienced and can empathize. Venezolanas used to demonstrate a lot of that same "tude" as well. Not anymore after they and their entire country have had their "economic asses" handed to them. Not so arrogant anymore!

[TedFerguson]

Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia.

While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.

Some specific examples:

- First timer on the site. Unreal body, acceptable face. I was the first foreigner she met (she's never been outside Argentina). Super bitchy over WhatsApp. In person we had a pleasant conversation to start, then she downed one drink, smoked a joint, downed another drink and then another joint (all in 1 hour). Proceeded to lay down and practice for the Oscars before announcing she had to meet a friend for dinner. This to her was a successful meeting, as she texted me the day after and a week after that. Nope.

- Girl who's aunt died. Worked as a "dancer" in Spain and the US. Lives 1 hour outside the city. Messages me that she'll be an hour late but is only coming to the city to see me. Then she says she has to drop off clothes to sell with a friend on the way. Ends up being about 1. 5 h late (but at least announces it). Overall good conversation and good in the bedroom. We make plans for the next week. She cancels due to period, then says she might be able to come, then cancels. But makes plan for the next day (which she then cancels again). I end up seeing her eventually and she's too high to find my apartment.

- Girl who isn't comfortable going to an Airbnb. Cancelled 2 x beforehand, second time due to family issue with appeared legit. Decides to mention she's only comfortable meeting at a hotel a few hours before the 3rd meeting (which of course, was cancelled). I ended up offering to meet her socially and pay for her Uber (nope). Then I offered to give her a gift for just talking, which she happily agreed to, before I realized how stupid that was and that she was just an 8 with a dysfunctional life. I asked her why this hotel requirement was only a thing here, and if people are that bad here. Her answer was yes.

- Girl who spent a bunch of time in Cancun with other Argentines. Good communication up to the meeting, polite. Pictures aren't heavily edited upon seeing her in person. But not comfortable meeting outside the apartment because "she doesn't go out with just anyone". For the record, I'm in my 30's, fit and decent looking. We start with a nice conversation which goes on to the theme of her wanting a French bulldog. She then proceeds to spend the next hour talking on WhatsApp with people selling French bulldogs. I shit you not. We were talking about which one she liked most and what her favorite dog names were.

- Working girl 8 who was decent. One positive result of the interaction is she mentioned Seeking has a lot of weirdos here. Maybe that explains the preconceptions.

None of the girls above looked like they had spent any time at the gym recently, and the excess fat from the poor diet shows. While the asses are big, they're just fat asses. Brazil spoils one in this respect. As was said earlier, lots of 8's, but no higher. Also, more blondes than I like.

The food was also crap. Fruits and vegetables are flavorless unless you go out of your way to shop for organic produce because people here are too cheap to pay for quality. Delivery services often stopped working due to low pay because people are too cheap to pay them to deliver.

Criticism aside, I did have a solid 8 who I saw weekly throughout my time here. She was never more than 15 minutes late and usually left me satisfied. And in the last week I met a smart, young girl from Mendoza who didn't have the agitation of the BsAs girls which suggests the emotional issues are worse in BsAs. Both of these girls however had a palpable negativity.

One positive thing about visiting here. You'll save a lot of money with the economic issues in the country and all the cancellations from the girls. If you do come, stay at a hotel and make sure you get your pesos at a larger western union branch because small ones don't do big withdrawals. And be prepared to put up with a mountain of shit from all the dysfunction in this country.

[Ggekko2009]

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.