Phnom Penh

[RakSopheni]

I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.

There are a few broader trends that can be laid over the granular observations of changes on the ground- I think the most profound of which is the rise of local economies in the Asian region. For example, a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines will reveal a scene that has become completely dominated by Korean clientele, and one can see the handwriting on the wall that the Chinese monger in Cambodia, and the Indian monger in Thailand are ascendant and will gradually come to dominate those cities as the Koreans now do in Angeles.

Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.

To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.

What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.

For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.

[Thehedonist]

Care to tell us that destination?

He's not mentioning it in the post but I guess he's talking about San Paolo in Brazil.

[Volterra]

Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.

Gentlemen (Meo Den, Kazeu, Axel, RakSopheni), thanks and I'm in agreement. It's the typical 'gentrification' effect of the mongering community, and I also sense (though don't have the current deep knowledge of Cambodian society) that there are deeper social reasons, as Axel points to. My wider dismay and alarm (greedy and lust driven, FinDom style, I confess), is that I may be missing the chance to jump on the few remaining bargain boats just as I start to gather my retirement pennies and plan my post-career party.

It seems that covid may have accelerated the process for girls no longer accepting peanuts for sex (even if they don't have a lot of money) in many jurisdictions. And in any case, they are definitely not interested in blind, innocent service with a smile as we approach 2023. You're right, even though I'm in Thailand right now, these gogo girls are completely blank and disinterested. Even if getting sex is still easy and affordable, for the moment, it's just not the same fun as a couple decades ago. Last night, I just gave up after see more hot girls barely moving and yawning on the dance stage. And the freaking tourist guys were like an alien invasion movie. Look, I'm one too, but I just can't account for the ape-like approach these guys have (and they look like glorified chimpanzees, I must say, LOL).

Better enjoy the last bastions while we can! Unless, by some divine intervention, there are new low-cost pleasure centres waiting to show themselves in the 2020's! Thrust ho!

[Meo Den]

Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".

Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.

[Meo Den]

Care to tell us that destination?

Did you read his post?

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Snip. I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.

Care to tell us that destination?

[Axel Heyst]

To Meo Den, Volterra, and RakSopheni, I am not here to argue with you guys. I loved PP from 2000 up to 2009. I met some great girls in Phnom and had amazing times with them. But sadly, PP has been going downhill since around October 2011 when the hostess bars were first raided by the local cops. It was nothing more than a shakedown, but after the bars reopened is when the BMD (buy me drink only) hostess girl phenomenon began. So, I was kind of happy when Darling Darlin first opened its doors because DD FL girls were better coiffed than the average hostess bar girls, I did not have to buy them drinks or pay a barfine, and every girl at DD was there for one reason and one reason only; to get picked up and shagged by a client. The only negative was the outrageous price, so my MO at the time (2014 to 2019) was to hit DD later at night and only if I struck out at the hostess bars earlier in the evening.

Anyway, my point is that there are several causes leading to the current situation and the demise of what was once only a few years ago one of my favorite destinations in Asia. I agree that the internet has been very detrimental. But the influx of noveau upper middle class NE Asians tourists is another major factor. And perhaps the most important factor of all is that our little playground was segregated from the beginning meaning our dens of iniquity were set apart from the places local Cambodian men went to have a good time.

I can only tell you guys that wherever there is no separation of locals from foreign visitors you will still find a vibrant and healthy nightlife scene. The local men keep the girls in line and prevent them from being spoiled. Of course, the destinations I am referring to do not have the same volume of tourists as Cambodia or Thailand. When large number of foreign mongers "invade" a country, they will inevitably begin to affect the local mongering scene and the foreigners will wear out their welcome fast.

I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.

[RakSopheni]

Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya!

Very well stated. I had a positive experience in PP pre-pandemic which inspired my recent return- but I can unequivocally relate that at the moment the juice is not worth the squeeze. If you have a few days on a visa run, sure check it out- but only out of a sense of morbid curiosity. Do not plan a sex-trip with Phnom Penh as the centerpiece. Only exception would be if your dick no longer works and you just want to engage in mindless tedious conversation via google translate with young semi-literate rural Cambodian girls.

[Kazeu]

Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".

I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.

[Meo Den]

I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.

I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.

[Volterra]

I'm going to chime in on the PP scene since there seems to be lots of disagreement on relative advantages / disadvantages. I just cut short my PP stay and hightailed it to Pattaya (where I'm happily feasting for Christmas now), because the PP girl scene was NMCOT at all.

PP is a lovely city in general. Very chill, lots of character, Cambodians seem super nice, lively but reasonable pace, streets are busy but not too loud and drivers not too aggressive. I stayed up near Independence Monument on st 278 for 4 days then at Sun Moon near bars 4 days. The daytime vibe is really nice, and nighttime markets, nightlife, etc. All vibrant. I'm thinking of moving there in a couple years, I liked it so much.

Except for the girl scene. I'the have to agree with recent pessimistic (yet realistic) reports by RakSopheni. I understand some guys have a good time with girls in PP, but I think it only works for old Cambodia hands (who know the scene left and right and have long established contacts with mamasans etc) and newbies who gravitate toward PP style hostess bars.

I'm not one of them. First, I honestly didn't find PP women that attractive. The real lookers were mostly Viets (asking astronomical prices on wechat and in Pontoon, freaking little scoundrels. , quoting $300 LT /$150st and barely budging). I just didn't feel my LB very tantalized at the sight of most local girls. And while non-WGs were very friendly, if not a bit shy, those engaged in the trade were of a different DNA, deceptive, combative, aggressive (and can't speak a word of English).

Walking past the loads of bars at night, even if there were big packs of girls in front, they were doing nothing to make their places inviting. Most of them are not very fit, they were more interested in playing on their phones (except for a brief moment where they'the try to scream at passers by), and they were mostly just littering the outdoor bar tables with their take away containers that they'the eat from and not bother to clean off, leaving no where for customers to sit.

My biggest agreement with RakSopheni is the change in motivation. It really is all about milking guys for drinks. Sure, some guys here report "success," but I'm half suspicious that they may not be totally reliable. Or maybe some are just lucky. I'm not a newbie to mongering and have learned over the years that persistence will eventually pay off. But that wasn't the case in PP. I'll recount just a few of the many fiascos during my recent (failed) 8 day PP "binge. ".

First there's the ol reliable Air Force bar down on 104. I went in around 9 pm on a Friday night. There were 2 younger regular western customers outside and I was the only customer inside. This chubby 38 year old (obviously mamasan though she claimed not to be) called a lineup for me and I chose the sole young good looking one to my table. She was 19 and from the provinces, couldn't speak a word of English, but she was one of the finest girls I met in PP. I could barely keep my hands off her young thin body, Chinese looking face / milky skin and long black hair. But chubby mama was there "translating" for me (as I learned through my trip, they also help train and control price levels for the less experienced staff), itself extremely irritating (and confirmation that not speaking Khmer will not help your chances.

I'm not one of these guys who wants to engage in endless BS chatter with bar girls, so I got right down to business asking about bar fines and girl prices. The girl was immediately apprehensive about the BF prospect, and what became the familiar refrain of PP excuses starting raining down. "Oh I live an hour away. , have to get up early. , too many customers coming. " When I pushed it, she quoted BF $15 and 80 for ST. I would have countered with 40 if I was interested in ST but I want to wake up and fuck these girls at dawn. So when I asked for LT she repeated the excuses and it was clearly going nowhere. She wasn't going to LT me at all and wouldn't consider ST til much later in the evening. The only prospect was to go into the BJ room with pool tables for quick one, but I was already put off and decided to get the bill. Freaking chubby mama charged me $6. 50 for the lady drink and $2. 50 for my Cambodia beer. BS! When I ran into regular guy in the toilet he confirmed should normally be $4. 50 for LD. I complained to chubby mama but she kept insisting it's what she always charges. "Ask the regular customers outside!" she said. "I already did. " And I informed her that I'the pass on the unfavorable experience to my fellow dudes (which I'm doing here). So farewell Air Force chubby mama, and best wishes for success in your empty bar!

Another night was Cyrcee, which seems to be a favorite among many here. I have to wonder who really wrote those glowing reports, because it was a double joke to me. First, it's totally out of the way from the rest of the scene (which could be positive to some) but I went on a Thursday and it was closed (after making the effort to go there). Went back around 11 pm on Friday and it was completely empty except for grumpy French boss and a handful of homely looking girls. The thecor is nice, but the problem is that there is only the bar stools, so when you sit down you're attacked by the most aggressive ones next to you, and once you get rid of them, you can't get a good look at the others without turning around and staring awkwardly (which they would inevitably see as an invitation). So after drinking 1 beer without conversation, I went to the toilet as an excuse to get a look at the others. Wow, what a disappointment. The best one was a slightly overweight girl in her low 20's wearing jeans (I remember because I saw her later that night at Pontoon). A 6. 5 out of 10 at best. Maybe an occasional customer will get lucky there, but I saw nothing at all and promptly left, bored out of my skull.

Back around sts 130/136, I went into a couple more places, making sure that I asked about drink prices / bar fines / availability to take girls home with each mamasan I encountered. What I ended up getting was a pack of repeated lies and excuses. "Oh yes you can take any girl home!" they assured me. Then when I picked out the only 1 or 2 I found at all attractive and young, "Oh sorry, she's with another customer" (that customer immediately leaves empty handed but she sends the girl to a different customer who's arrived after I already made my request).

I managed to buy a drink for nice looking 19 year olds (after getting assurances from mamasans) at a couple places like Same Same but Different and Su kho, but through the conversation, it became more baiting and manipulation, followed by excuses. "Oh sorry, I have applied for a new ID and haven't received it yet so can't register at your hotel. " "Oh sorry, she's having her period tonight. " BS after BS after BS.

Pontoon late night wasn't much better. Good looking ones were mainly looking to swindle desperate guys, often working in packs to prop each other up, but most were just half attractive leftovers that I had seen earlier at hostess bars.

These are only a few of the jokes played on me, vastly outnumbering my successes (themselves not memorable at all). So after a week of uninspiring shadow boxing, I decided "f. K it, I'm going to Pattaya," and poof! Here I am getting Mr. LB eaten alive at cheaper prices and with better looking girls than PP without even trying.

There are some new challenges in Pattaya that I'll write about later, but the main concurrence I have with RakSopheni is that the PP hostess bars are more like Western strip clubs without stripping and without dancing. The girls seem to have little / no incentive to leave with customers. Or should I say it's more like all the empty chasing I used to do with civilians all those decades from 20's to early 50's, only now I have to pay for their lady drinks before striking out. (And I used to be more successful picking up civilians).

I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.

PP may be a good scene for certain guys who gravitate toward certain types of places, or for those who have a longggggggg time to learn the PP game, but if you only have a short precious vacation to fill up your score card, you'the be taking a big risk spending it in the Cambodia capital, if love or something like it is what you mainly crave. Luckily, I have almost a month this time, so I cut my losses, jumped on a cheap flight to Suvarnabhumi, 75 minute taxi to Pattaya, and the beauteous routine of the late December Gulf of Thailand coast: sleep til 11, coffee on my balcony looking at the sea as I dick around on the internet and respond to the dozens of new offers I've gotten from girls on my mobile, 1 pm swim in my quiet clean pool in the sunshine, exploring the outskirts on my rental motorbike, napping and coffee at 5 as I make multiple evening dates, feasting on amazing Thai food for $2. 50 before deciding which of the numerous choices I'll pursue after dark: Go go bar? Walking Street? Soapy massage? Upstairs quicky on Soi 6? FL at live music bar / Coconut Bar beach / Thai Friendly? Milfy bar girl from beer bar? BBBJ at gentleman's club? Last night I wasn't even horny (having pounded a hot 25 year old to oblivion the previous night and yesterday morning), so I was just chilling with a beer at a quiet bar until some newly arrived bar girl in her ms santa's outfit caught my attention and drew me into Christmas eve / morning of rock them sock them all out fornication.

I'm in the same mood tonight, but I'm taking a set of Magnums and a vitamin V with me, knowing that unexpected evil lurks around every Pattaya corner.

Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya!

[MarquisdeSade1]

I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

I've tried watching a few of his videos, hes unbearable.

From what I've heard him say, he always quotes the highest imaginable rates.

Which tells you how much the "ladies" desire him, but what I find so objectionable about him.

Is when he says with a really shitty tone, if you don't pay it someone else will.

Yeah maybe somebody that's a fat drunken loser like him!!

His videos are garbage, I have always given him thumbs down.

Youtube would be better without him.

[Joe Talon]

I'm only in Phnom Penh for a short while. Stayed at Nagaworld 2. I didn't have much time in the city and I flew in late so I just checked-in and took a Tuktuk to 136 at around 10:15/1030 PM. Started from the east end near Riverside and walked in to take a look. I did walk past 7-11 to check those bars, but didn't see much there. I turned around walked back and stopped at a bar that I don't remember the name of. It was between Ostex bar and Alaska bar on the same side of the street. The place looked like it had the most amount of girls there so I went in. The inside is pretty narrow with a bar on the right, seating on the left and a bigger table / setup near the back.

Sat with one girl who I thought looked better from afar and we didn't really click, so I asked for a change. Next girl was at least more touchy / feely. She had a light brown skintone with dimples and had small tattoos all over her body. She didn't really have a punk rock chick vibe, she was more a sweet GND with some tats and a nice butt. She said she was 22. I sat with her and then mamasan for a while before I asked about price. She quoted me $15 BF /$100ST. Tried to negotiate but doesn't seem like they would budge from $100. Seems like from the reports here it should be half that but they kinda just scoffed at my counters to $100. Not sure if they really won't take less or what not but my options were go to another place and haggle down to. $80? Or just take what I had now so that's what I did. I think if she was much older I'd probably just declined.

Tuktuk from 136 to Naga 2 is probably like "$1. 50" or 6000 Riels. Guy wanted $3. But he gladly took $2 so yeah take that for what you will. If you want you can probably get it for 6000 but to me it's $0. 50. Not going to haggle like a local for that.

She actually had no street clothes so she just went to my hotel dressed the same as the bar. She had a strapless dress on but I'm guessing it's already pretty obvious anyways, no one really cared. The elevator we got in had 2 WGs walking out so I'm guessing this is already a very typical sight for them.

Anyways, we did the deed, she liked me kissing her neck and ear and sucking her breasts. She blew me only for a little bit but I was fine with that since I wanted to get the deed done. Did mish, tried doggie but it wasn't working out well so we went back and finished in mish. I paid her and she left.

[RakSopheni]

I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.)

I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

[Buhuiba]

I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.) I've been in PP on and off for several months now. I've been with many many very cute bargirls. I've been paying between $40 and $60, sometimes st and sometimes LT. Often enough, probably more often than not, I have the girl give me those beautiful words, when I ask what she wants, "it's up to you." In which case I generally give $50. After which, I get smiles and an exchange of whatsapp numbers, and no end of follow up texts. These are bar girls, if I went with a freelancer I would expect to pay less. I cannot imagine why anyone would pay a hooker $200 in Cambodia.

But hey, it's not my money, and I'm not pressed for time. Maybe a big spender would also pay $20 for the tuktuk ride that the tuktuk driver would be happy to accept $2 for, though the driver is also happy to find a sucker. And good for the driver.

Anyone new to Cambodia, your target price ought to be around $50, however hot and beautiful the girl is. With some girls that will get you LT, with other girls maybe not. My current girl, my regular, I've been with her for a while now, I am giving her way less than that. But, for her, I'm dependable. And I dependably give her orgasms, the sex is good on both sides. So there's that.

It's your money, but if someone asks radically more than that, you are being suckered. Like the tuktuk driver asking $20 for a ride that anyone else would pay $2 for.