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12-29-22 22:50 #8204
Posts: 102Pp
I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.
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12-29-22 21:50 #8203
Posts: 348PP Experince
Originally Posted by BRCitizen [View Original Post]
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12-28-22 20:13 #8202
Posts: 8Originally Posted by MeoDen [View Original Post]
I try my best to be the first kind. You can't change your face or how old you are. But you can shower, shave, smile more, wear decent pants and shirt instead of cargo shorts. Just show like you're putting a little effort into the whole thing. Without looking too rich. There's a balance to be had.
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12-28-22 12:31 #8201
Posts: 93Originally Posted by BRCitizen [View Original Post]
I think perhaps the best part of your strategy was only focusing on exactly what you wanted. Those prices you paid look fair for GFEs with 10's; they would only be bad value if the women were unfriendly or unattractive. We have to allow for the fact that women who are younger, clearly prettier and just sweeter than the vast majority will know that they can command more.
But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.
You make a good point about how when women won't negotiate that they are quoting a fuck-off price. And it's always better to move on. Tell them what you pay before they can mention prices. Let them know your budget. It's called anchoring.
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12-28-22 08:38 #8200
Posts: 8A counterpoint to all the negativity
So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.
Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.
I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.
With all that in mind, of all the places I went.
Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.
Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.
But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.
Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.
Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.
I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.
As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.
I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.
Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.
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12-28-22 04:00 #8199
Posts: 1343Originally Posted by Thehedonist [View Original Post]
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12-28-22 00:17 #8198
Posts: 6457Too late!
Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
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12-27-22 22:49 #8197
Posts: 533The new monger
I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?
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12-27-22 22:46 #8196
Posts: 533Chinese mongers
I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?
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12-27-22 22:30 #8195
Posts: 268Other factors
Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
As for other areas you mentioned. Thailand and Philippines both have areas outside Angeles City and Pattaya where the monger can go and have success. I was recently in Hua Hin in Thailand and had a good time.
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12-27-22 21:56 #8194
Posts: 212The Handwriting on the Wall
Originally Posted by AxelHeyst [View Original Post]
Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.
To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.
What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.
For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.
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12-27-22 14:08 #8193
Posts: 4Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]
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12-27-22 13:16 #8192
Posts: 78Originally Posted by MeoDen [View Original Post]
It seems that covid may have accelerated the process for girls no longer accepting peanuts for sex (even if they don't have a lot of money) in many jurisdictions. And in any case, they are definitely not interested in blind, innocent service with a smile as we approach 2023. You're right, even though I'm in Thailand right now, these gogo girls are completely blank and disinterested. Even if getting sex is still easy and affordable, for the moment, it's just not the same fun as a couple decades ago. Last night, I just gave up after see more hot girls barely moving and yawning on the dance stage. And the freaking tourist guys were like an alien invasion movie. Look, I'm one too, but I just can't account for the ape-like approach these guys have (and they look like glorified chimpanzees, I must say, LOL).
Better enjoy the last bastions while we can! Unless, by some divine intervention, there are new low-cost pleasure centres waiting to show themselves in the 2020's! Thrust ho!
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12-27-22 05:18 #8191
Posts: 93Originally Posted by Kazeu [View Original Post]
But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.
As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.
When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.
And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.
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12-27-22 05:07 #8190
Posts: 93Originally Posted by JimmyBoy99 [View Original Post]