Seeking Arrangements

[Ucgdx]

Anyhow point is it's not all sunshine and roses. This week I was 2 for 3. Going to give Liz a 1. 5 because it was epic. Middle girl ghosting zero. And last girl a. 5. It's tough out there fellas. (Depending on geography).

That's a crash and burn? I'd call it a good week, with 1 great fuck, 1 ghost, and 1 hot starfish BBFS.

What were the prices you paid, and what ages and races were the girls?

And yeah, since you ignored the girl's 2 texts (asks for money), I'd expect that she'd ghost you. She probably got lots of other guys pre-paying her, and odds are she never showed up for those dates.

[Steve 9696]

So I know I write on here about all my homeruns. Including recent epic date with reg Liz. But the remainder of the week was crash and burn in a Midwest city.

Day 1 I had a date planned with a girl from two weeks back. Great convo leading up to it. All the usual girlfriendy signs. A couple days before she says she's going to get her nails and brows done because she wants to look nice. Clearly an indirect money ask which I ignore. We keep talking. Day before the date she says she feels like shopping to look nice for me. Again ignore. Day of date I go to confirm. Silence. Two more texts later in day. Ghosted.

I hadn't thought much of it at the time when she did the money asks but in retrospect having been ghosted, she was looking for a sucker to send some cash. Well avoided that bullet but no date. Boo.

So next night I start poking around and get three girls on the hook. One I really dig her face and things go well and we book a date for that night. She shows up and is a pretty girl and well built but I'm not that attracted. Still no question I will fuck her. I mean I'm not going to send a pretty girl home. Really interesting girl. Tattoo artist. Competitive swimmer. Personal trainer. I mean what's not to like. But I don't feel the vibe.

Nonetheless we go to the room. Kinda awkward interactions. Kissing but not tongue. It just feels off. At some point she moves to the bed and we try to get it going but it just feels off. I kiss her neck work her pussy a bit but it's kinda starfish. So I roll on my back to at least get BJ and she starts HJ. And is there about 6 inches away but just HJ. Fortunately as an experienced guy I put the cards on the table and say hey. I can feel there's no chemistry here it can happen. And she's kinda like what do I mean? And I say well you know blowjob and sex. I can do a handjob myself.

She says she was surprised how hairy my dick is (it's not, relatively speaking) and that put her off. Then she says but it really sucks that I called out tonight because it's usually a good night (indicating she needs the money). So I say well do you want to try and do BJ and sex or just call it a night. She says no let's try. So she gives s credible BJ. We do some Steve 2 and she's at least slightly wet. Eventually doggie cowgirl and mish. The sad truth is I came pretty fast because she wasn't super wet and it was high friction. Sad. I asked her if she was ok at one point and she said yes but serious starfish fuck. No more than ten minutes max.

And then having shot on her tummy (surprised she went at it bareback with condoms literally on the nightstand) we called it a night. So I got a shot off but it was weird and awkward. Am I glad I did it versus skipping a night? Dunno. Kinda a toss up.

Anyhow point is it's not all sunshine and roses. This week I was 2 for 3. Going to give Liz a 1. 5 because it was epic. Middle girl ghosting zero. And last girl a. 5. It's tough out there fellas. (Depending on geography).

PS. This just in. I asked for some constructive feedback and she replied. I thought it was a physical thing but actually not. She said she felt I wasn’t listening to her at dinner. And I said the neighborhood wasn’t too good and she was really insulted cuz it’s way better than where she comes from. So she felt a bit disrespected. Ouch. Made me feel kinda bad but I am glad she was honest. I can def improve knowing this.

[Gfefan]

BCN is where I met one of my all time favorite SBs. Paid 250. She was more about how I treated her (respectful) than how much I paid. She explicitly said that.

Dinner at a nice place (cost me 100), then drinks at a bar (about 40). Making out in cab on the way, fucking like dogs in room (I think we fucked thrice), then some wine in room. Went for a shower together and we fucked again in shower this time finishing CIM, and cuddled all night to sleep. Woke up next morning with a hard on and we fucked again even before brushing. Took her for breakfast, back to room and one last fuck. Gave her 250 and she was super happy.

With inflation now, maybe 300.

What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

[Elvis 2008]

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

No, and part of the reason is because everyone outside the USA uses whatsapp. Telegram has gotten a little more popular because it is supposed to be harder to break than whatsapp.

Whatsapp is encrypted, but I would be surprised if the USA government has not been given the keys to break it by Facebook / Meta. My guess is that few other countries have the keys. If someone else knows otherwise, please enlighten us.

[AmericanPi]

Outside us I use Telegram or Whatapp, both linked to phone numbers that aren't my real number.

Inside US I use one of the many burner fone number apps you can get on Apple Store.

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.

[Dj Tan]

There is an auto-renew option. Whatever you payment method if your subscription expires and you haven't paid then you are lapsed. You can see but cannot message. You cannot even read your previous messages. So if you plan to expire, you need to have extracted any contact details.

But for me, I always delete the profile once it has expired. Messages keep coming and the desire to repay and read new messages is too tempting.

Thanks.

Maybe that's why, you removed your profile completely. I already turned autorenew off but only disabled not remove my profile, thinking in case I want to re activate it later; then SA recharge my card after 1-2 months, really pissed me off since I am already in relation with a girl at that time.

Other than that SA is fine.

[Tiny 12]

Question for the membership -- Do you use burner phones when dating sugar babies outside the USA?

Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.

Great post Elvis. Ggekko2009 and DramaFree had some good pointers, and you tie it all together. Like I said in another post, you have good common sense and an ability to think out of the box. I never would have thought to throw money in the hallway, where the woman would show up on cameras picking it up.

My life was seriously screwed up for several years as a result of dating sugar babies in the USA. I won't go through the whole sad story as I might out myself if someone who knows me read this. I did end up thinking for about 6 months that I might have a child, who turned out to be imaginary.

Your point is well taken. The risks in the USA must be greater than outside the country.

[AmericanPi]

What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

I always go about 25 pct higher than what's needed because I need for things to be locked in firm. It's a catastrophe if a girl changes her mind and I lose one of my precious Days.

I was going for 20-25 year old girls that were 8+ and finding that offering 400 euros was very well received. So my sense is 250-300 would be good.

[Voodoo Jones]

BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.

What's the average rate? I don't look for women who charge by the hour and I prefer the first meeting to be a few hours at least.

[SfoCowboy]

BCN and Madrid rock. You get a good set of chicks at a reasonable cost.

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

[Voodoo Jones]

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option.

Damn, that sucks. I saw other people not recommend Manila: not enough candidates and they ask for way too much. I'm going there again with friends and was hoping to spend a few days by myself, but looks like I'll change it up.

So true about the lockdown. I had 3 of the most beautiful girls in my life during lockdown. I would have never had a chance with them if it was not for Covid. 2 of the 3 now have boyfriends in Europe.

"Boyfriends"? Sugar daddies, sure, but not boyfriends. These women are still having sex with other men while getting their rent paid by someone they see maybe every few months.

[AsianPursuits]

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.

There is absolutely no reason to use Seeking in Manila.

Filipina are so easy to meet and fuck that you don't need Seeking. Just use DateInAsia or Filipina Cupid or Tinder etc. You will have a girl within an hour of setting up a free account.

Also, an overnight freelancer girl expect to tip P2,000-P4000 per night, that's USD45-90/ night not the crazy Seeking girl asking prices.

[Elvis 2008]

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

A question for gentlemen who use Seeking in Colombia and Mexico. Do you have safety concerns, with respect to using the site? It seems like you'd be a sitting target, advertising or exaggerating your income and net worth in countries where kidnappings, murders and theft aren't as uncommon as they are here. I've used Seeking in other countries, but not Latin America.

Tiny, first time I went to Bogota, I was in Hotel Ibis. Lobby is like Best Western, and rooms are like Motel 6. Neighborhood was okay, and I never had any issues, but women were not impressed and wanted money up front.

Then I upped my game, and I went to upscale hotels, wore a suit, and met the women there. With that atmosphere, it was kind of gauche to mention price, and in Mexico or Colombia, it was never meet and greet and then sex the second meet like in the USA. It was let's get it on now. So I would be banging these women within a hour of a meet.

And when you meet them in the nice hotel, you have cameras everywhere and probably better security than USA hotels. Still, there were issues but not the kind you mentioned but with women and they had to deal with what American men fear.

One Mexican woman was saying while we were having sex, "You know I can have you arrested" as if I was raping her. So I stopped, got my wallet, opened my hotel room door, and threw the money we agreed upon on the public hall floor where I assume there were cameras and shut the door behind her when she went for that money. Good luck with that arrest now honey.

But I had known that Mexican police do not take these dumb comments seriously from a previous incident. I saw a girl who is 22 but looks young. We get it on, and she goes home, and she claims her "cousin" stole her phone. The "cousin" pretended to be her mother, and texted me that her "daughter" was underage, and she is going to the cops unless she gets payment. I ignored the texts. Girl comes back on a few hours later, apologizes, and now asks for more money because "cousin" stole her money too.

Truth is age of consent where this happened is 18 in CDMX but other parts of Mexico, the legal age is 13. What I learned is that it is unless men trick or wrongly coerce these young girls and there is an irate parent then maybe the Mexican police will react, but most times they could care less. My take was that if you met a woman on seeking the police would laugh it off unless there was objective evidence something really bad happened.

So Tiny in that way, these countries may be safer. With the Kobe Bryant case, a woman consenting to sex but regretting it the next morning was considered rape and the police went full press on him, and it would not surprise me to see some American police departments send a SWAT team after me with just the allegation of having sex with someone under aged. So you can imagine these scams may work on some American guys then, but all in all, I think you are actually safer where P4 P activity is legal / tolerated.

All that said, I think it is best to get used to one hotel and operate out of it. It also helps to get to know and tip the staff. They are your first line of defense and something you will not see here is security literally bringing a woman to your room. That happened to me once in Colombia and once in Mexico, and I have to admit that I kind of thought that was cool. "Here is the pizza you ordered sir and here is the red head for desert". Now that was some good room service.

[Ggekko2009]

Gents, we tend to circle around the same cities in these discussions. Yes Mexico is great.

What are the other excellent cities are rich, teeming with sugar babies?

Often I find myself in some part of the world and I look to see what cities are close by and how many girls are in my target age on Seeking. So far very few cities have hundreds (which means probably a few dozen active).

What amazing cities with lots of action have you conquered?

I'll go first.

Barcelona was surprisingly strong. Not as strong as Cdmx but I had zero problem lining up dates.

I was just in SEA recently and tried to use SA in both Manila and Jakarta. Manila is a dud and not a good option. I have slightly better luck in Jakarta. However, I only manage to meet two girls since a few were so flaky with their schedules. I had a great time with one of them, which I wish to repeat but she simply did not have the time since she was deluged with work during that time of the year, while the other one was just ok, but I would probably not repeat.

[Tiny 12]

My SA experience in Bogota has been great so far.

I have never had any issues with being a target on SA.

Many thanks gentlemen. Great practical suggestions Ggekko.