General Info

[Expat American]

Here's an example of the rising cost from pre-pandemic. I used a voucher from a cancel flight which amounted to $3,500.00 usd. That ticket was for lax-bkk-stopover in mnl, then back to lax. Business class. Then the pandemic hit. For this past flight just going from lax to mnl and back was around $4,500.00 business class. The voucher was only good until the end of January so barely made it.


Hotels. I'll put in the proper section.

Transportation. Thanks to DG8787 for information about private transportation but because I changed my original plan, I took mostly public transportation. Here are some prices for Beeway Travel that I didn't use but might help someone who wants private transportation. Mnl to Angeles is P $3500. From Mnl to Subic is p $6500. These are door to door service. I took the victory liner from pasay to Olongapo whick took about 3 hours and 45 minutes. I used grab taxi when available but in Subic, there is no grab taxi. From the Olongapo terminal to my hotel in Barrio Barreto was P $300 in a suv taxi which was way better than using a trike. From Subic to Angeles I used the van service from the Thumbstar hotel. I believe they started this route not to long ago. The cost for the van was p $995 and took about an hour. You do need to make a reservation for this service. Almost forgot, this is not door to door but one of the stops is in front of Phillys restaurant. My hotel was the Central Park so got off there and basically a block and a half walk. Finally from Angeles to mnl I took the Genesis bus from sm clark to terminal 2. My hotel in mnl was the Okada so terminal 2 seem to be the closest terminal. The cost was p $410.

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So you were happy to fork over $4 k for a biz class ticket but the $150 for a comfortable ride from point to point was too much?

[Beavis]

I just got back this past Sunday. I originally was going to Manila and Angeles city but after reading Beavis excellent recap on bars in Subics, I changed my plan. I had nine nights and this is how I used them. 1st night in Manila to get acclimated so didn't go out. Next three nights in Subic. Then three nights in Angeles and the final two nights in Manila. The last two nights I spent just relaxing, eating like a pig and gambling a lot. No playing around but still had a lot of fun.

Here's an example of the rising cost from pre-pandemic. I used a voucher from a cancel flight which amounted to $3,500.00 usd. That ticket was for lax-bkk-stopover in mnl, then back to lax. Business class. Then the pandemic hit. For this past flight just going from lax to mnl and back was around $4,500.00 business class. The voucher was only good until the end of January so barely made it.

This portion will be for newbies. If you are a USA Passport holder, all you need to enter the P. I. Is your passport, e-travel document which is very easy to fill out and your vaccination card or electronic proof. No need to fill out any paperwork on the plane. They scan your e-travel (green) then to immigration which took about a minute. They take a picture of you and they asked only one question. When do you depart. My suitcase came out fast and immigration was a breeze.

Hotels. I'll put in the proper section.




Transportation. Thanks to DG8787 for information about private transportation but because I changed my original plan, I took mostly public transportation. Here are some prices for Beeway Travel that I didn't use but might help someone who wants private transportation. Mnl to Angeles is P $3500. From Mnl to Subic is p $6500. These are door to door service. I took the victory liner from pasay to Olongapo whick took about 3 hours and 45 minutes. I used grab taxi when available but in Subic, there is no grab taxi. From the Olongapo terminal to my hotel in Barrio Barreto was P $300 in a suv taxi which was way better than using a trike. From Subic to Angeles I used the van service from the Thumbstar hotel. I believe they started this route not to long ago. The cost for the van was p $995 and took about an hour. You do need to make a reservation for this service. Almost forgot, this is not door to door but one of the stops is in front of Phillys restaurant. My hotel was the Central Park so got off there and basically a block and a half walk. Finally from Angeles to mnl I took the Genesis bus from sm clark to terminal 2. My hotel in mnl was the Okada so terminal 2 seem to be the closest terminal. The cost was p $410.

My plan was to have fun with the girls in Subic and Angeles so I'll put those reports in the proper section. In mnl I didn't want to mess with the traffic so decided to just relax, eat like a king and gamble like there's no tomorrow.

Good recap, yes the Thumbstar Van is a great new addition. There is also the Angels Bakery van still but it leaves AC at 0700. It returns from Subic at 1400 though so in a pinch you could come down on the Thumbstar and go back on the Angels van.

[QuackUp]

I just got back this past Sunday. I originally was going to Manila and Angeles city but after reading Beavis excellent recap on bars in Subics, I changed my plan. I had nine nights and this is how I used them. 1st night in Manila to get acclimated so didn't go out. Next three nights in Subic. Then three nights in Angeles and the final two nights in Manila. The last two nights I spent just relaxing, eating like a pig and gambling a lot. No playing around but still had a lot of fun.

Here's an example of the rising cost from pre-pandemic. I used a voucher from a cancel flight which amounted to $3,500.00 usd. That ticket was for lax-bkk-stopover in mnl, then back to lax. Business class. Then the pandemic hit. For this past flight just going from lax to mnl and back was around $4,500.00 business class. The voucher was only good until the end of January so barely made it.

This portion will be for newbies. If you are a USA Passport holder, all you need to enter the P. I. Is your passport, e-travel document which is very easy to fill out and your vaccination card or electronic proof. No need to fill out any paperwork on the plane. They scan your e-travel (green) then to immigration which took about a minute. They take a picture of you and they asked only one question. When do you depart. My suitcase came out fast and immigration was a breeze.

Hotels. I'll put in the proper section.

Transportation. Thanks to DG8787 for information about private transportation but because I changed my original plan, I took mostly public transportation. Here are some prices for Beeway Travel that I didn't use but might help someone who wants private transportation. Mnl to Angeles is P $3500. From Mnl to Subic is p $6500. These are door to door service. I took the victory liner from pasay to Olongapo whick took about 3 hours and 45 minutes. I used grab taxi when available but in Subic, there is no grab taxi. From the Olongapo terminal to my hotel in Barrio Barreto was P $300 in a suv taxi which was way better than using a trike. From Subic to Angeles I used the van service from the Thumbstar hotel. I believe they started this route not to long ago. The cost for the van was p $995 and took about an hour. You do need to make a reservation for this service. Almost forgot, this is not door to door but one of the stops is in front of Phillys restaurant. My hotel was the Central Park so got off there and basically a block and a half walk. Finally from Angeles to mnl I took the Genesis bus from sm clark to terminal 2. My hotel in mnl was the Okada so terminal 2 seem to be the closest terminal. The cost was p $410.

My plan was to have fun with the girls in Subic and Angeles so I'll put those reports in the proper section. In mnl I didn't want to mess with the traffic so decided to just relax, eat like a king and gamble like there's no tomorrow.

[Radical Guy]

Where are you meeting these girls? Any working girl banging 10+ foreigners a week will be smoother than a cue ball. The retail assistant helping you buy some socks will be au natural.

Pinas are naturally less hairy so you are never going to find an Amazonian jungle on any girl. Requests to arrive freshly shaven are typically accepted.

One of the reasons I prefer to put in the effort with low mileage province girls is that they are more likely to be unshaven. I personally find a shaved twat to be somewhat of a turnoff. I'm old school. I like au naturale.

[Goferring]

What is the typical status of the downstairs landscape for the women I'm looking to meet?

Should I expect to see dense forests, well-trimmed landing strips, or bare fields of tasty brown and pink?

Does the style-de-jour vary between bar girls, freelancers, and massage girls?

Where are you meeting these girls? Any working girl banging 10+ foreigners a week will be smoother than a cue ball. The retail assistant helping you buy some socks will be au natural.

Pinas are naturally less hairy so you are never going to find an Amazonian jungle on any girl. Requests to arrive freshly shaven are typically accepted.

[MrHappyKat]

Less than 2 months before I saddle up my business class seat at LAX and I think I have my ducks in a row. If you've read my past posts, where I ask a shit-ton of questions and gratefully receive your well-informed answers, you probably noticed that I am a serious planner. Like way too serious a planner. Like OCD-level planning. So, as I said, I think I'm ready to go and start blowing off my plans about 1 hour after I land. LOL.

Now I'm just spending my time reading posts, watching YouTube vlogs (Oh my! These vloggers are all over the place about the PI! Most are more amusing than informative.), and I find myself wondering about things I certainly cannot control, and so I certainly need to just deal with and have a good time as I plough into all the fun. Here's my current bit of wonderment:

What is the typical status of the downstairs landscape for the women I'm looking to meet?

Should I expect to see dense forests, well-trimmed landing strips, or bare fields of tasty brown and pink?

Does the style-de-jour vary between bar girls, freelancers, and massage girls?

So that's where I am. Is it too soon to start packing? LOL.

[WestCoast1]

One taken for the team. Drunken, indiscriminate porkin' and vaxxin'.

Stay away from Empirador. "Empirador: The devil's brew, turning 8's into 2's, nights and mornings". And "Empirador: The darkest shade of rose-colored glasses".

[WestCoast1]

You are a selfless soldier in the fight against covid, Westy. When honors are awarded for Asian storm troopers against this scourge, you will be brought to your knees by the weight of your medals.

Reinforcements on the way: I will return to support you in your quest in a few months.

Excellent good sir. I would like to be able to take a break from my vaxxing duties. It often keeps me up thru the nights. Short, 15-minute bursts of excited vaccinations, around 2 am. It is EXHAUSTING! Finally some reinforcement is on its way from the mainland (s). Its possible that I might be able to get some rest at that time. Until then, I am on full 'vax-forward' and remain here in the salt mines.

On another note, from a domestic CP flight recently, the pic. The breakdown of the fare, including the p200 Domestic Passenger charge built into the final price of the ticket.

[PolyOrchid]

Please, please. Just because Covid appears to be past us, don't inject that into the local psyche here. The vaxxing continues.

You are a selfless soldier in the fight against covid, Westy. When honors are awarded for Asian storm troopers against this scourge, you will be brought to your knees by the weight of your medals.

Reinforcements on the way: I will return to support you in your quest in a few months.

[Radical Guy]

Another argument for being honest with the girls.

If the guy says he isn't in another relationship, loves only her, never sees other girls etc etc then she has grounds to make a scene. Real or pretend doesn't matter, it's just a way of gaining the upper hand over the guy.

If the guy is straight with everyone and makes it known that he's only there for a good time and that the girl (s) are facilitating that, then she knows that causing trouble will see her out the door rather than moved up the rankings, paid more etc.

I'd agree that there is no need to insult girls or rub their noses in it but lying is normally counter productive. This is where plausible denial comes in: don't ask, don't tell. 😊.

I've never understood paying girls to then put up with tanpo, tantrums and other Jedi mind games.

Just my 2 see.

Enjoy. G.

In my experience, complete disclosure and honesty with these girls limits the quality of girls available. The really low mileage, inexperienced ones will avoid guys that they see as a player. I don't lie to girls or make promises like marriage, etc. I simply tell them that I'm open to anything, and that I've been burned in the past, so I want to be careful before making any commitments. Then, they are motivated to do everything possible to win my heart. I don't consider this dishonest because, truth be told, I suppose that is a possibility, but they don't need to know everything.

[Goferring]

Generally you are both correct. But my girls are mini-mamasans and business minded. There is no romance going on. They have lives far outside their time with me. They all get on quite well. Shame that I must put up with it.

Another argument for being honest with the girls.

If the guy says he isn't in another relationship, loves only her, never sees other girls etc etc then she has grounds to make a scene. Real or pretend doesn't matter, it's just a way of gaining the upper hand over the guy.

If the guy is straight with everyone and makes it known that he's only there for a good time and that the girl (s) are facilitating that, then she knows that causing trouble will see her out the door rather than moved up the rankings, paid more etc.

I'd agree that there is no need to insult girls or rub their noses in it but lying is normally counter productive. This is where plausible denial comes in: don't ask, don't tell. 😊.

I've never understood paying girls to then put up with tanpo, tantrums and other Jedi mind games.

Just my 2 see.

Enjoy. G.

[Radical Guy]

Generally you are both correct. But my girls are mini-mamasans and business minded. There is no romance going on. They have lives far outside their time with me. They all get on quite well. Shame that I must put up with it.

Admittedly, I'm a bit of a heal. I have one gorgeous girlfriend who I visit and spend time with about every two months, for about 2. 5 weeks on each trip. I take her to Bohol, Cebu, or wherever, then send her back to her province near Surigao City. Next month, I'm taking her to Boracay. She's totally devoted to me, only 20 years old. But then I like a little time on my own for a bit of mongering before returning to the US. As tempted as I am to marry my girl and bring her to the US, I know from experience that she would become Americanized and ruined by US culture, another self-centered rotten skank like the rest of them. So, I'll just maintain the status quo until, one day, I'm able to retire in the Philippines.

[WestCoast1]

Westy,

You are living in your own heaven in Philippines. Keep it always UP!

That's quite surprising. In my experience, most Filipinas are ferociously jealous and possessive. They at least want some plausible deniability to maintain the illusion that they're the "only one. ".

Generally you are both correct. But my girls are mini-mamasans and business minded. There is no romance going on. They have lives far outside their time with me. They all get on quite well. Shame that I must put up with it.

[Radical Guy]

I have several regulars here who usually rotate. They all know each other. Gemma departs on a Monday morning after the joy, making breakfast, and straightening up the place. Lyn arrives in the early afternoon. "Gemma was here today?" Yes, why do you say that? "Because the silverware its now in the drawer near the sink. It’s how they do it to her house". I see. Sometime after the round, Lyn puts the silverware back in the original drawer where Alma put it when I first moved in. Then Lynn goes home. I have a rest night and also the following day Tuesday, no girls. Wednesday afternoon Alma shows up. "Lyn was here". How do you know? "Your shirts are on the hangar. Not buttoned. They should be buttoned. She never button the clothes. I will button for you". Thanks sweetie, you're the best. It’s good that Lyn f*cks like a horse. "Westy you are not a funny guy".

That's quite surprising. In my experience, most Filipinas are ferociously jealous and possessive. They at least want some plausible deniability to maintain the illusion that they're the "only one. ".

[Sammon]

I have several regulars here who usually rotate. They all know each other. Gemma departs on a Monday morning after the joy, making breakfast, and straightening up the place. Lyn arrives in the early afternoon. "Gemma was here today?" Yes, why do you say that? "Because the silverware its now in the drawer near the sink. Its how they do it to her house". I see. Sometime after the round, Lyn puts the silverware back in the original drawer where Alma put it when I first moved in. Then Lynn goes home. I have a rest night and also the following day Tuesday, no girls. Wednesday afternoon Alma shows up. "Lyn was here". How do you know? "Your shirts are on the hangar. Not buttoned. They should be buttoned. She never button the clothes. I will button for you". Thanks sweetie, you're the best. Its good that Lyn f*cks like a horse. "Westy you are not a funny guy".

Westy,

You are living in your own heaven in Philippines. Keep it always UP!