Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Xpartan]

When prices go up the first thing someone who wants to find a justification for that does is talk about inflation! But plenty of times inflation doesn't have a damn thing to do with it and it's just pure greed. Take Germany for example. At the FKKs it used to be a pretty standard 50 euros per 30 minutes with BBBJ included. Well the German government, in its infinite meddling wisdom, passed a "condom law" requiring that they be used at all times at the FKKs, including for oral sex. So what did the tutes do? They banded together and said that if the guys still wanted BBBJs then the cost was going to be 50 euros more! That's a 100% increase in the price for a 30 minute session and clearly has nothing to do with "inflation". The tutes were already being paid well at 50 euros per half hour (most people don't even make that in 1 hour) and they just took advantage of a situation to extract more for, quite frankly, not offering more. Well I hear a lot of the FKK clubs are pretty empty of customers right now. Good! Would love to hear your take on what's going on in Thailand.

Like he said, this is only what popular Go-Go's charge. They were aiming for the same $100+ in 2010's.

[Wayne Roberts]

When prices go up the first thing someone who wants to find a justification for that does is talk about inflation! But plenty of times inflation doesn't have a damn thing to do with it and it's just pure greed. Take Germany for example. At the FKKs it used to be a pretty standard 50 euros per 30 minutes with BBBJ included. Well the German government, in its infinite meddling wisdom, passed a "condom law" requiring that they be used at all times at the FKKs, including for oral sex. So what did the tutes do? They banded together and said that if the guys still wanted BBBJs then the cost was going to be 50 euros more! That's a 100% increase in the price for a 30 minute session and clearly has nothing to do with "inflation". The tutes were already being paid well at 50 euros per half hour (most people don't even make that in 1 hour) and they just took advantage of a situation to extract more for, quite frankly, not offering more. Well I hear a lot of the FKK clubs are pretty empty of customers right now. Good! Would love to hear your take on what's going on in Thailand.

Its been 50 euros for a 30 minute session for over 15 years. What does 50 euros even buy you these days? Is everyone still earning what they earned 15 years ago?

They are not working a production line or retail job, they are selling their bodies and taking loads from men they often do not find attractive at all, and still put on some sort of show. This is a profession that takes a serious toll on all women too and the time they can earn is quite short.

As always the market will set the price. If the women at the FKK's in Germany or Gogos in Thailand are overcharging compared to other options are in the same city, then eventually they will have to adjust too. Prices are going up everywhere though, its not just one country. Inflation is real and the hookers live in the same world we do.

[Wayne Roberts]

120 to 200 US fucking dollars for Thailand and the Philippines? Holy shit! There goes my dumb illusion that the far east was for super cheap sex!! I was thinking it was 30-50 bucks at the most. Thank goodness I never had an inkling to go to either country. I think Asian women are beautiful, but I am a big booty lover and know I would be miserable in both countries!

In Philippines, you can get cheaper options. The quality is poor though. Very poor. You have to hunt hard, and the better looking girls are charging a premium too because there is competition for them. Thailand has always had the Japaneses throwing money around, in the Philippines (particularly Angeles) its the Koreans. 2 guys will walk in and barfine 4-5 girls before 8 pm. A few of these guys roll in and the gogos are wastelands.

Where Philippines shines is if you are on the ground for a long time. You don't focus on the bar girls and pros, you focus on the semi pros, regular girls and the ones who want to find a sugar daddy. That gives you access to the top 1%-2% of Filipina women, and those women are something else.

[Wayne Roberts]

It's not a representative figure. Only applies to tourist trap Go Gos.

This is not true at all.

The gogos and soapies are not tourist traps, they are where the highest quality women are found and they are the best venues. The high class gentlemens clubs in Bangkok are a notch above those, but the prices are higher than the gogos and the soapies. Terma pricing is higher than clinicas, are Termas tourist traps too? Its the same logic.

Its not 1000 Baht for a session with a girl on soi 6 either, you still have to pay the barfine of 300-400 baht. Then there is the typical drink before hand, so add another 200 baht onto that. That's clinica pricing in Sao Paulo, its 250 BRL. This is before we even talk about looks and performance, and quite frankly 90% of the women on Soi 6 are unfuckable compared to what's available at the average clinica. Prices are also going up on Soi 6, with many girls asking for 1500 baht now. There are also huge issues with a lot of women who won't even barfine, they are working for salaries and drinks only and they get away with it because the bars are desperate to hold onto women.

Then there is the matter of bars closing down or struggling to find women at all. The quality has never been this bad.

Yes you can find girls off Thai Friendly for 1500-2000 THB. You can find women at those sorts of prices on Photo Accompaniments too.

Those prices you mention are also Pattaya prices. They are not BKK prices. The women in BKK are a notch above, but the average freelancer for a one shot ST is asking for 3000 baht now. Sometimes you can get them down to 2500. You are not finding women for less than that unless they are old or very plain. So at roughly 400 real for one shot with a freelancer, how does that compare to the prices of the entry level escorts and freelancers roaming around Rio?

The point I am making is that Brazil is not expensive. Price wise its on par with Thailand, which is considered one of the cheaper destinations in the world with a large a large, well organizes sex industry. The girls in Brazil are not the only ones pushing prices up, everyone around the world is as they deal with inflation too. Where Brazil is an absolute home run is that not only is the cost reasonable and the industry large, Brazilian women are WAY more attractive on average and they also outfuck the Thai women.

[The Cane]

I've been getting above average, slim girls off Thaifriendly for 1500-2000 baht ($44-58 usd) BBFSCIP. Soi 6 and most Gent clubs are still about 1000 baht ($30 usd). GoGo Girls have always been more expensive and viewed as a tourist trap.

Thai GoGo girl prices are high due to most of them now being drink queens and declining barfines. There are a number of causes for this- I'm not disputing inflation being one of them.

When prices go up the first thing someone who wants to find a justification for that does is talk about inflation! But plenty of times inflation doesn't have a damn thing to do with it and it's just pure greed. Take Germany for example. At the FKKs it used to be a pretty standard 50 euros per 30 minutes with BBBJ included. Well the German government, in its infinite meddling wisdom, passed a "condom law" requiring that they be used at all times at the FKKs, including for oral sex. So what did the tutes do? They banded together and said that if the guys still wanted BBBJs then the cost was going to be 50 euros more! That's a 100% increase in the price for a 30 minute session and clearly has nothing to do with "inflation". The tutes were already being paid well at 50 euros per half hour (most people don't even make that in 1 hour) and they just took advantage of a situation to extract more for, quite frankly, not offering more. Well I hear a lot of the FKK clubs are pretty empty of customers right now. Good! Would love to hear your take on what's going on in Thailand.

[RakSopheni]

120 to 200 US fucking dollars for Thailand and the Philippines? Holy shit! There goes my dumb illusion that the far east was for super cheap sex!! I was thinking it was 30-50 bucks at the most. Thank goodness I never had an inkling to go to either country. I think asian women are beautiful, but I am a big booty lover and know I would be miserable in both countries!

It's not a representative figure. Only applies to tourist trap Go Gos.

[Bravo]

Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop). If you want her overnight, you are looking at about $220 (1200 BRL). That does not include your drinks or her drinks either, that is just your barfines and her rate. .

120 to 200 US fucking dollars for Thailand and the Philippines? Holy shit! There goes my dumb illusion that the far east was for super cheap sex!! I was thinking it was 30-50 bucks at the most. Thank goodness I never had an inkling to go to either country. I think asian women are beautiful, but I am a big booty lover and know I would be miserable in both countries!

[RakSopheni]

Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop).

I've been getting above average, slim girls off Thaifriendly for 1500-2000 baht ($44-58 usd) BBFSCIP. Soi 6 and most Gent clubs are still about 1000 baht ($30 usd). GoGo Girls have always been more expensive and viewed as a tourist trap.

Thai GoGo girl prices are high due to most of them now being drink queens and declining barfines. There are a number of causes for this- I'm not disputing inflation being one of them.

[AlwaysHorny 2]

My list below is what I found from RTFF. I will be in Rio (Copa) for over 3 weeks and would like to eat healthy meals most of the time. Any insight on the places below of others would be greatly appreciated:

Zanetti Grill on Rua do Rosario.

Boteca Belmonte.

Aipo e Apim.

Bibi Sucos on Miguel Lemos.

Are churrasco type places the main option? Are there protein smoothie shops?

Thanks!

[Axel Heyst]

This is not unique to Brazil, prices are up everywhere. General inflation has hit, but hooker prices are up the world over

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Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop). If you want her overnight, you are looking at about $220 (1200 BRL). That does not include your drinks or her drinks either, that is just your barfines and her rate. If you have a bit of a night, you are closing in on $300. Thats 1500 BRL for run of the mill gogo girls. If you want to hit the knock shops, they are running you $80-$100 and upwards depending on girl quality. If you hit the beer bars, sessions excluding drinks $45-$60. The quality of the girls has dropped off a ton too.

Philippines. So much for cheap sex. An average night on P. Burgos in Manila is costing you $180 just for barfines and the girls. Over $200 if you want them to stay beyond your second shot or 4 hours. This does not even include drinks and lady drinks. Sure, its cheaper in Angeles by about 40%. But you are in Angeles, one of the biggest shitholes in Asia and the women are so far below average that the only men happy to fuck them are the 70 year old geezers looking for bareback sex on their pensions.

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So in saying this, the prices in Brazil are on par and even lower in some cases. The quality of the women in Brazil smokes whatever you are getting in Asia at these prices, and while Asians are nice to fuck there is simply no contest when it comes to Brazilian women. They sling ass like no one on God green earth.

Thanks for the post Wayne. You saved me from doing the same. Yeah, pussy prices have surged everywhere much more than corresponding national inflation rates have risen. Take my pre-covid favorite Go Go in Pattaya: The pricing in this bar has gone insane. My understanding was that bifurcated early barfines are something like 2,500 baht and then after midnight the barfine is 1,500 baht. But then the bar apparently instituted a 5 drink lady drink minimum before a girl is allowed to leave the bar with a customer. This is where it can get very confusing, because the 5-drink minimum is not firm and it can vary depending on the time and on apparently the bar's whim or something. I am not sure how that works.

Anyway, a relievable buddy of mine was there recently and he told me he was quoted crazy shit like a 4000 baht barfine before midnight and 2000 baht barfine after midnight. The night he went there he found a pretty spinner he liked the look of. He played along for 2 hours waiting for the magic midnight hour all the while buying his girl a bunch of lady drinks while they fooled around in the bar. Midnight came and then the girl tells him she has to have 25 LDs in order to leave with him! Total BS so he walked out in disgust and left the girl at the Pin Up. 2 wasted hours. BTW, the girl wanted 5,000 baht for ST. So, he calculated the total cost of shagging this sexy Pin Up Go Go girl would have been 2000 Baht BF + 5000 Baht ST for the girl + 6250 Baht for Lady Drinks which comes to a grand total of 13,250 baht of approximately $380 US to barfine the girl for a ST session after midnight. It would have been another 2,000 baht to do her before midnight.

Now like I said there is some real confusion over Pin UP's minimum Lady Drink Policy. Is it 5 drinks before she can leave or 25 drinks which is crazy. Is the drink minimum cumulative over the entire night I. E. If another customer has already bought the girl a couple of lady drinks, does that count towards the required minimum. Who knows! I would have to fly 24 hours to Thailand to find out. But this is the kind of BS that is going on in LOS nowadays and one of the major reasons I have not gone back since the country opened up.

Now, it should be made clear for those not acquainted with this particular GO GO, that Pin Up has the best-looking girls of any Go Go in Pattaya. IMHO and I can vouch for this fact pre-Covid and I assume it is still true from all that I have read and heard from variolous trustworthy sources like my friend even though I do think he is somehow mistaken about the minimum 25 lady drink stuff. Add to that, there are many, many less expensive alternatives in Pattaya, but I am trying to compare apples to apples, the best with the best: Sao Paulo vs Pattaya, Scandallo vs Pin Up so you can see my point which is that hyper pussy inflation is everywhere.

Lastly, it is very easy to say, well, I wouldn't go to a joint like Pin Up especially when there are so many less expensive alternatives in Pat that are still straight up as far as their bargirl policies are concerned. It is the same thing with Scandallo. There are many less expensive alternatives in Sao Paulo. My advice is go where you want and where you think you will get the most bang for your buck. I like friendly, really attractive girls in large numbers, so I gravitate toward places like Scandallo. Woe is me. KKK. The price of pretty girls is up big time worldwide and there is nothing we can do about it except to pay up and enjoy the buffet or cut back on the high end fun and go to cheaper bordellos. There is nothing wrong with SP clinicas. I liked them from the first time I stepped foot in Abbobora almost 2 years ago.

[Nounce]

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Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop). ...

The Asian countries are not good examples. The price has been going up way before Covid due to the increase of Asian customers. My last session at Baccara costed about 5000 baht.

I know very well on what everything cost including groceries, and wholesale price because I cook too. They have not gone up that much. Clinica price is still unchanged.

[Steve 9696]

This is not unique to Brazil, prices are up everywhere. General inflation has hit, but hooker prices are up the world over as the girls deal with the cost of living pressure increases too. I think you might need to adjust your expectations a bit, the girls are not being greedy.

Brazil is cheap as hell right now for the quality you get and the kind of service these women provide. Ill give you some basic comparisons.

Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop). If you want her overnight, you are looking at about $220 (1200 BRL). That does not include your drinks or her drinks either, that is just your barfines and her rate. If you have a bit of a night, you are closing in on $300. Thats 1500 BRL for run of the mill gogo girls. If you want to hit the knock shops, they are running you $80-$100 and upwards depending on girl quality. If you hit the beer bars, sessions excluding drinks $45-$60. The quality of the girls has dropped off a ton too.

Philippines. So much for cheap sex. An average night on P. Burgos in Manila is costing you $180 just for barfines and the girls. Over $200 if you want them to stay beyond your second shot or 4 hours. This does not even include drinks and lady drinks. Sure, its cheaper in Angeles by about 40%. But you are in Angeles, one of the biggest shitholes in Asia and the women are so far below average that the only men happy to fuck them are the 70 year old geezers looking for bareback sex on their pensions.

Vietnam. Sessions at the Hot Tocs with decent women are running between $120-$150 for 90 minutes. Overnighters are pushing $200 plus. Yes there are bargains to be found, but Vietnam is not geared up for this and its not a straightforard place to monger.

So in saying this, the prices in Brazil are on par and even lower in some cases. The quality of the women in Brazil smokes whatever you are getting in Asia at these prices, and while Asians are nice to fuck there is simply no contest when it comes to Brazilian women. They sling ass like no one on God green earth.

Thanks Wayne for your comprehensive perspective, particularly with AP where my knowledge is weakest. But you are def spot on. FKK in Germany used to be 50/ hf and now it's 100/ hf and that's after entry fee and the service no where near as good as in Brazil. Kissing? Extra. DATY? Extra. Wtf. You are now paying 500 R-1000 R a half hour! And the girls and service don't compare. Brazil fucking rules. Count your blessings fellas. And fuck a Brasileira today. It's good for the economy. 😋.

[Wayne Roberts]

I was in 4 X4 yesterday and had a great convo with a newbie and a vet, the 3 of us were talking about the changes in Rio. For the newbie, it was paradise. It was his 3rd day in country, and he was as happy as a pig in shit. The vet and I were complaining that it seems like the freelancers are all asking for 100 bucks an hour now, we explained that for 100 bucks you would get all night and then early afternoon from a help girl. It seems like the girls are asking for and sticking to the 500 R price, luckily, I have a rolodex for friends from the past that will still do all night. The problem is, they are all getting into their mid to late 30's and wear and tear is showing. LOL!!

Even the prive girls are asking for crazy prices!

I had one prive girl give me her number. She told me that out of the 150 R I pay for an hour in the prive, she gets 75 R. I told her to come to my centro hotel before she starts working and I would give her 200 R for an hour. (I explained that it was almost 3 X what she would get at the prive, plus, she wouldn't have to give the house a cut). She countered with 375 R an hour, plus I had to pay for her Uber from her house and to work after. All in all, it would have come up to about 525 R for the hour. I explained that it was crazy for me to pay that kind of price when I could just pay 150 R at the prive and fuck her there instead of paying 500 R to fuck in her in my hotel. No matter how hard I tried to get her to reconsider, she just couldn't understand that she was overpricing herself.

Side Note: It appears that the Roof Top Bar at Pestana doesn't have a DJ and Music on the weekends anymore. I took a date on Saturday and it was dead, only 3 couples. Still has the amazing few but its dead without the DJ.

This is not unique to Brazil, prices are up everywhere. General inflation has hit, but hooker prices are up the world over as the girls deal with the cost of living pressure increases too. I think you might need to adjust your expectations a bit, the girls are not being greedy.

Brazil is cheap as hell right now for the quality you get and the kind of service these women provide. Ill give you some basic comparisons.

Thailand. You are looking at roughly $120 for a session with an average Gogo girl right now (so 600 BRL for a pop). If you want her overnight, you are looking at about $220 (1200 BRL). That does not include your drinks or her drinks either, that is just your barfines and her rate. If you have a bit of a night, you are closing in on $300. Thats 1500 BRL for run of the mill gogo girls. If you want to hit the knock shops, they are running you $80-$100 and upwards depending on girl quality. If you hit the beer bars, sessions excluding drinks $45-$60. The quality of the girls has dropped off a ton too.

Philippines. So much for cheap sex. An average night on P. Burgos in Manila is costing you $180 just for barfines and the girls. Over $200 if you want them to stay beyond your second shot or 4 hours. This does not even include drinks and lady drinks. Sure, its cheaper in Angeles by about 40%. But you are in Angeles, one of the biggest shitholes in Asia and the women are so far below average that the only men happy to fuck them are the 70 year old geezers looking for bareback sex on their pensions.

Vietnam. Sessions at the Hot Tocs with decent women are running between $120-$150 for 90 minutes. Overnighters are pushing $200 plus. Yes there are bargains to be found, but Vietnam is not geared up for this and its not a straightforard place to monger.

So in saying this, the prices in Brazil are on par and even lower in some cases. The quality of the women in Brazil smokes whatever you are getting in Asia at these prices, and while Asians are nice to fuck there is simply no contest when it comes to Brazilian women. They sling ass like no one on God green earth.

[IsaBahn]

Hi,

I am planning my next trip to Rio. I will be in Rio de Janeiro from the 13 to the 16th of April. Usually I stay in Copacabana at the Pestana. See my previous reports (I travel much around the world and reports a lot). I remember people were talking in this forum about an apartment hotel in Barra de Tijuca with many working girls. Something called TA I think. Can someone please point me to this hotel? Do you think it is better than the Pestana in Copacabana? And what are your remarks for Windsor California Copacabana who got much better reviews in booking? (Pestana only got 7. 9 grade while Windsor got 9. 0).

Thanks in advance.

Aviv.

[Vagabundo1]

My fellow Rabbi -- you sir are a mfkin literary genius!

History buffs: Don't forget Lilith who featured in Mesopotamian and Judaic mythology, wife of Adam but expelled from Eden for lack of obedience to Adam. I interpret this as her love of BBJCIM rather than getting knocked up and creating God's flock.

Stinky Squid and some other authors here made some amazing posts on the care and feeding of women. Keep in mind you women of 19-24 are, as Cyndi Lauper sang interested in this: "Girls just want to have fun" rather than hanging with old dudes, many with beer guts, sometimes clingy like a puppy, horny, and often ugly with bad breath. Youth only comes around once. Imagine yourself at 20 licking out a fat old wrinkled hag for money and squirting all over you. You might do it, but you would also want to get distracted and forget it. Flakiness to us is their mental escape from their other fairly sordid transaction life. They are in it for the money. Youth for cash. We are buying an illusion just like the gambling industry or supporting a political franchise (called a party) thinking you "belong" to something. This self-delusion is a pleasant bit of play, so long as Jack knows that all play makes Jack a miserable boy, dosed up on too much dopamine. Stay fit, don't drink, don't smoke, stay away from junk food (pretty much everything) and keep up your grooming and dental care. It's not for the girls, but for YOU !

Theodora was certainly a minx that appears to have caused a great deal of sexual jealously of her biographer. Would have been fun to know her and Justinian.

Returning to Lilith and her traditional Talmudic rituals, I am carrying on my tooth enamel experiment of tonsil massage and BBJCIM as my unique contribution to American aid and medical science. I accept that my record keeping and data follow up probably lacks orthodox rigor, and may even offend feminist/woke ethical frameworks. As mentioned previously, and thanks to Vagabond, there is a Michelle Obama doppelgnger with whom I hope to re-enact Bill Clinton's pioneering work. Imagine the secret service snickering as the muffled cries from oval room and a beaming Billy exiting and the infamous cum splattered dress! Kkkkk.