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[Andalus Expat]

The Spain project was still biased. It noted that trafficking might exist because some apartment working women pay as much as 50 percent of her earnings for "rent"

Full marks to the project for that. It's entirely true. Probably the majority of women working in the apartments & villas are splitting the client fees 50%* with the house. Which generally suits them. The house is paying for the premises, services & the advertising. All which would otherwise have to be covered by the girls. And the house is taking the risk. If the earnings from the clients doesn't cover expenditure, it's the house loses, not the girl. Most women don't have the capital to set up on their own.

*Although when I ran my own villa on the Costa del Sol it was 60 to the girl 40 to the house. Some establishments do similar. It comes from an understanding of the basic economics of the business. You're trying to maximize profit on total turnover. The percentage paid to the girl is a cost, like any other. So you tailor that cost to attract the sort of girl will result in the desired number of clients for the house. The price the client pays is what produces the optimum number of clients for the house & results in the greatest profit. There's no direct link between the two. Most people in the industry here don't understand that piece of basic business economics** & seek to maximize profit on each individual transaction. The 60/40 split does closer resemble optimal if the majority of the competition is on 50/50. Your pricing is more competitive & you can attract the better girls. And you make larger profits.

** Generally, you can reckon anyone who gets into this business has failed at everything else they've tried. Which is possibly part of why this industry gets a rep for exploitation. It's not so much malice as incompetence. Like any other business, the people at the coal face are the ones making your money. You should look after their interests as much as your own.

And yes, women who come from South America to Europe to do sex work abroad often do so to support loved ones back home, rather than to just buy higher-priced handbags.

Yes, this is particularly sad. Most of the S. American WG's I've known either have kids back there they're supporting, have brought them over with them or had them here. And if they can't work, there will be no well paid jobs in political lobbying organizations opening up for them. If their income doesn't meet their outgoings they'll run out of money & won't be able to afford to return to S. America. And few of them can expect any family support. They're on their own here. And it's not as if it's easy for them to find other jobs. Most don't have qualifications. And when it comes to employment, the Spanish understandably look after the Spanish first. It's only the lower paid jobs open to them, if at all. If you intended to fuck up their lives, this is how you would go about it. What's so particularly cruel is so many of them have tried to play it straight. They have their residence papers. They've been paying their autonomo social security payments. And they'll end up on minimum wage or Spain's meagre social security benefits. Or they'll try to continue working "black" & leave themselves open to exploitation by the criminals will move into what has become an illegal industry.

[Mongerer88]

Folks,

Have you updates with links on any new Spanish Law which may have been brought in regarding our hobby / job.

Thanks in advance.

Proposed laws are still being debated in Parliament but none appear close to passing, so perhaps the issue will be going away.

There was a big commissioned study according to the Stop Abolition tweets.

Good and bad.

The good is that it found that almost all of the women working in the sex industry in Madrid clubs and apartments are late 20's to early 40's.

The propaganda isn't as bad in Europe as it is is the USA, but Stop Abolition still wryly noted the concept.

There are no minors involved. A USA Religious group got involved in a project involving underaged prostitutes. The project only involved underaged prostitutes who had come into contact with the police. They took the ages of the minors, added them up, and divided by the number of minors to arrive at the average age of the ladies, then said that is the age that women tend to enter sex work. You will hear that nonsense repeated a million times in North America. In the real world of commercial sex, minors don't exist in Europe or North America.

The Spain project was still biased. It noted that trafficking might exist because some apartment working women pay as much as 50 percent of her earnings for "rent" (although it admitted that most don't pay anywhere close to that percentage). And it noted that trafficking might exist because a tremendous number of South American ladies working in Madrid send money back home.

Okay you dumb shits (authors of the study), you scared off the lowest price advertising venues and added risk to landlords if the anti-landlord portions of the legislation were to suddenly pass. Don't you think that is going to drive up the costs of advertising and rent? What does that have to do with trafficking? The easier and cheaper it is for an independent to work, the less trafficking you will have. And yes, women who come from South America to Europe to do sex work abroad often do so to support loved ones back home, rather than to just buy higher-priced handbags.

The study had all the characteristics of being performed by rich kids who majored in Sociology and / or Political Science and whose parents paid for whatever tuition wasn't taken care of by the government, with no actual ability to think or put themselves in the place of those they were studying.

[Wild Man]

Folks,

Have you updates with links on any new Spanish Law which may have been brought in regarding our hobby / job.

Thanks in advance.

[Norp1054]

Will be taking an 8 day (excluding flight days) tourism / mongering trip to Spain in late August. Have made my flight reservation: flying into Madrid and flying out from Barcelona. I'm thinking 4 days in Madrid and 4 in Barcelona. It sounds like Barcelona is better for mongering but I like museums and Madrid has better ones. How would you split up your days were you in my shoes?

[Napkin7943]

Hi there,

Was wondering if there's a dedicated Spanish forum for this?

Similar to https://www.girlsreview.nl/ for Netherlands?

[TeddyBearNor]

I hope to visit La Jonquera and Barcelona in early May.

How is this law progressing and is it likely to be passed.

If it is passed when is the earliest it can come into force.

Thanks in advance.

I would love to know as well, I am seriously thinking about a long road trip specifically for visiting La Jonquera and a little further south now in late March / April.

Though I am very curious if there is some eye candy along the road still or not; P.

Tried checking Google maps on the usual spots but it hasn't been updated since 2021 during covid so looked pretty empty then.

Anyone have any first hand knowledge? Anyone driven NII from La Jonquera and south lately?

[BaltiX]

I hope to visit La Jonquera and Barcelona in early May.

How is this law progressing and is it likely to be passed.

If it is passed when is the earliest it can come into force.

Thanks in advance.

They haven't passed any law that makes prostitution partially illegal. It was supposed to be passed by end of 2022(and they had enough votes to do it), but it never happened. I don't know what happened since I haven't followed it in a while, but either it's delayed or it's been put aside for a number of reasons. Someone mentioned months ago that the purposed law only criminalizes sex purchase and hosting if the girls are trafficked and forced against their will after some amendments, but I don't know if it's true or not. I wouldn't worry at the moment, especially in Barcelona, which is more supportive of prostitution.

[Wild Man]

I hope to visit La Jonquera and Barcelona in early May.

How is this law progressing and is it likely to be passed.

If it is passed when is the earliest it can come into force.

Thanks in advance.

[Andalus Expat]

Thought this made interesting reading.

https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/d...stds-and-rapes

Can't imagine Spanish politicians would, though. Why try to understand something when your job depends on your not understanding?

[Andalus Expat]

Amigas de Silvia lists duplex and lesbico real as different services. What is the difference? Arent they both threesomes?

No. Very different. Duplex is the women being interactive with the client. Lesbico, interactive with each other & the client. The first, any two girls might offer. Now ask yourself how you feel about being sexually interactive with another bloke & there's your answer. Women feel the same.

In practice, of course, they'll be quite capable of offering the second whilst only doing the first. Not hard to fake. Unless the client has some actual experience of the real thing. Most guys haven't.

[Member #4769]

An update on the new law: https://www.europapress.es/epsocial/...3925.html?s=35.

[Fzzxx]

Amigas de Silvia lists duplex and lesbico real as different services. What is the difference? Arent they both threesomes?

[Mongerer88]

The fact that the Socialist Asshole is becoming increasingly unpopular, and the fact that abolition law went nowhere in parliament at the end of 2022, increases the chance that the limited anti-trafficking law passed in 2022 will be the end of the matter.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands...171313785.html

[Andalus Expat]

217 m over 4 years (50 m a year) to help the women economically if they abolish prostitution. Prostitution brings in 26 billion a year. So they have about 0. 2% to help pay their bills.

If they kept it legal and taxed it, the government would be bringing in billions a year.

Fucking morons.

"Over 90% of sex workers are victims of trafficking ".

And this from the article also, I find incredibly hard to believe. Are there any other stats on this. Apparently the femnazi's are using this statistic on why we need the law. Sounds way, way off.

It depends on your definition of trafficking. A taxi driver taking a girl across town to a client would be trafficking. It's trafficking if a girl currently working in Germany accepts an offer of a place in Spain. Presumably the 10% of girls aren't trafficked work at home & never go to the shops.

As for what the public might understand by trafficking. A girl brought to the country & made to work under duress. It's rarely an economic enterprise. There's the costs of providing her somewhere to work & ensuring that she does. And an unwilling girl is not going to provide a good service to the clients & make good money. And that has to compete with willing girls who want to work, provide good client services & look after there own needs. It's not going to work, is it? The whole rationale behind the theory of trafficking is that there's a shortage of girls to meet the demand for services. When in reality there's a vast surplus of girls would like to sell sexual services but an equally vast shortage of clients want to pay for them.

The London Metropolitan Police mounted a long & expensive operation looking for trafficked women. It didn't produce a single prosecution.

[Jon32]

The latest update I could find.

https://inspain.news/spain-invests-e...-prostitution/

217 m over 4 years (50 m a year) to help the women economically if they abolish prostitution. Prostitution brings in 26 billion a year. So they have about 0. 2% to help pay their bills.

If they kept it legal and taxed it, the government would be bringing in billions a year.

Fucking morons.

"Over 90% of sex workers are victims of trafficking ".

And this from the article also, I find incredibly hard to believe. Are there any other stats on this. Apparently the femnazi's are using this statistic on why we need the law. Sounds way, way off.