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05-08-23 01:57 #947
Posts: 553120000/520 = 230/12 = 19 years-how long will you be on earth or in Thailand?
Originally Posted by Horatio [View Original Post]
That's the numbers argument. Now let's say your neighborhood changes (and it will) or you have other problems, landlord, maintenance, neighbors, government, health problems, immigration issues. OMG what is a bunch of Russians (or God forbid Chinese) move in next door! If things go south here, economy wise, and you can find another sweetheart deal, or you just get bored and want to move to say Chiang Mai or an island. You have little or no ties to prevent you. Trying to sell can be a *****. This is not Kansas my friend. I am sure you will get opposing views especially from those who made the mistake of buying and they have to man up and defend their decision. Remember they also may not be subject to the US tax code. As the saying goes UP TO YOU. Oh, and buy a diesel truck or car, the government subsidies the price of fuel because of the farmers and you milage is very good with these newer models.
$520 (less that 18,000 baht) is really good and depending where you are in the States $120,000. 00 seems cheap, cheap, cheap. But if you really are serious, rent for a year or two and then buy if that's your thing. As you may think, I pay rent, and not to a Thai. Especially not to a Thai who is not living near me. If renting you don't want to rent with an absentee landlord, if at all possible, my landlord is a farang married to a Thai. When things need to be done to the property or any issues arise with water, electricity, internet, etc. He is here to aid in fixing what need to be fixed or whatever. Some of the buyers you may hear from may have a Thai wife or GF to help get things done when only speaking Thai is essential.
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05-08-23 00:12 #946
Posts: 492To the posters who live long term in Thailand or surrounding country
Do you recommend buying or renting a condo? I hope to retire there next year. I have found a condo in an area of phuket for sale for $120,000 usd and for rent for $520 a month. I like the idea of owning. What has been your experiences and what is your advice?
Thanks.
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04-16-23 18:13 #945
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04-16-23 17:20 #944
Posts: 212Originally Posted by ZenMinded1 [View Original Post]
The one or two times I found myself in a "girlfriend experience" I couldn't fully convince myself of the fantasy and it really just made me feel like a loser. I'd rather pay someone for sex than to go to the fucking park and look at the sunset. For some guys (mostly the Seeking Arrangement crowd), this is all they want and it appears they are able to somehow suspend disbelief. Similarly I don't get the OF thing- so apparently there are plenty guys out there that are seeking some sort of emotional connection.
The more I monger, the less emotional it becomes. You become friends with these girls on social media and see all the shenanigans they pull. It's really hard to take them seriously and get hurt by them- but that's totally fine. Lurking on FB I see guys go to Pattaya, fall "in love", try to wife up a Soi 6 girl and take them back to Scotland or to meet their teenage kids and just shake my head.
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04-16-23 16:57 #943
Posts: 103Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
Mongering is about the lower half, with some invocation of the "girlfriend experience", because people maybe don't want to convince themselves that actually it's really exchange of access to genitalia for money, with mutual agreement. And sure, both might enjoy some parts of it, why not, but it's not in any way an emotional connection but based on material promise.
So maybe, in era where each need can be satisfied with a few clicks, brains (younger but also older) separate "complicated" relationships involving love and long term, with simply scracthing an itch in a one-hour or one-ight fantasy? The danger zone, and fertile ground for book writers, of course, is becoming confused between the two.
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04-16-23 16:48 #942
Posts: 212Originally Posted by Golfinho [View Original Post]
Once I hit middle age, the kind of slim hotties that I could score as a civilian even in my early forties and late thirties were just no longer available. Either these girls got old and started to look bad, or I didn't have the very high status and wealth that would enable such an arrangement. Upon discovering the international mongering scene and the quality sex that I could find, the break was complete- there's really no way I can even feign interest in American civilian women, and am priced out of high quality working girls in my own country. This is a fairly common story and alone does not seem remarkable, but what seems to be a trend is that mongers are joining the club at younger and younger ages, suggesting that a more "healthy" way of doing things is becoming increasingly impossible even for younger guys. What could be to blame for this other than the social trends that I point towards? Please let me know.
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04-16-23 10:06 #941
Posts: 2374Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
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04-16-23 08:17 #940
Posts: 103Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
I also keep thinking what are Western men running away from and why when they come over here they usually end up with that 1000 mile stare instead of happiness. And also how Eastern men seem to have it all more together yet seem so unable to express themselves (or maybe that's why they appear so composed?
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04-16-23 06:47 #939
Posts: 43Originally Posted by MrEnternational [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 23:47 #938
Posts: 212Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]
The Western man is freer, but more lonely. Since the advent of the sexual revolution and the rise of Feminism, the Western man's psyche has dissolved into an irretrievable state of alienation and chronic anomie characterized by feelings of worthlessness, shame, disgust, despair, and rage. Mongering is a type of palliative but the relief is incomplete and fleeting. The negative emotions return quickly once the high wears off. Generally speaking, I do not sense this type of compulsive and tragic motivation in Eastern men who still occupy a society in which their roles are central and intact and still experience reverence and respect from women and society at large.
If anything the Indian monger is even more group motivated than the K-Monger and probably even more transactional and disinterested in GFE. Indian men have very little to no contact with members of the opposite sex and are often awkward and rude to the ladies. Add to this that the Western world seems to be a bit more tolerant to the idea of Brits and Aussies returning with a Thai girlfriend or wife even if there is much whispering and clucking behind the back. An Indian family would never accept this.
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04-15-23 08:04 #937
Posts: 172Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]
One differentiating factor with Indians on top of the two SEEMS to be the role of group vs individual activity, however as I also am not familiar with Indian sexual habits beyond headlines, not sure how much this can be generalized. But reading the numerous news headlines about group rapes in India, as well as observing the daily haggling of Indians as a group for the service of one woman in Pattaya (complemented by comments of girls confirming it), makes me wonder if this really is something that differentiates Indian habits from East Asians and Westerners more broadly, or just a marginal activity regardless of the broad visibility of it.
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04-15-23 05:22 #936
Posts: 43Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 04:58 #935
Posts: 387Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]
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04-15-23 03:11 #934
Posts: 16085Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]
As far as Indian brothers being accepted, just step foot into one of the Indian discos and you will see chicks hanging from the rafters. There is no shortage of them being accepted. Just because you do not see them in the gogos or some place western mongers may frequent, does not mean they are not catered to at the places that they are hanging out. Go in front of one of the hotels where the Indian guys stay and you will see chicks outside waiting to catch one before he can walk 10 steps. And as I have said before, the chicks say they pay big money. Chicks in Jannaat go for 4000 and 5000 baht. And an Indian brother here that last posted about going there mentioned paying 5000 without batting an eye.
These are pictures from google.
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04-15-23 01:59 #933
Posts: 140Originally Posted by RakSopheni [View Original Post]
First, a brief aside. No disrespect to any of the groups mentioned above or below. Everything I write is written in the broadest possible generalizations, and I assume that you will understand that what I write doesn't apply to every individual in each group, but rather represents the mean average. As I don't know much about India, I'll avoid writing about it all together. That being said, here's what I do know.
Broadly speaking, everyone wants to nut, but different cultures go about it in a somewhat different manner.
A lot of Western guys, for instance, want companionship, I. E. , the girlfriend experience. Of course they want to blow their load, but they're likely to want to engage with the women, talk to them, and fall in love if only for an evening. It can be a lot of work for the women to feign emotional investment, but if they can get one of these guys on the hook, they can milk them for easy money. Although Western men might not pay as much for one night as an East Asian man would, Westerners are more likely to fall head over heels and sponsor a women for weeks or months.
This is in contrast to the majority of East Asian men who are more realistic, by which I mean they don't get involved emotionally. They generally don't seek companionship from sex workers, which is why you might see them ignoring their women while hanging out with friends. East Asians seem to understand that good friends are rare, but that these women are a dime a dozen. In this regard, East Asians simply want to party, drink, and cum. And they are happy to pay for every step in the process even if it results in a relatively larger bill. It should go without saying that the women like this--money is money after all. But they also like it because it's relatively easy to follow the scenario when everyone knows the script: sing, smile, drink, and then have sex.
The key difference for the women, therefore, is that they don't have to pretend to be emotionally invested in East Asian men. The men and women both know what they are, a John and a prostitute respectively, and this allows the women to simply do their job. This doesn't mean that they aren't nice and pleasant. Rather, it reinforces that the experience is what it is: a transaction.
If you're not convinced, think about the popularity of Karaoke, Noraebong, and KTV in East Asia. East Asian men treat women--and prostitutes in particular--as entertainment. The women sing, get the party started, pour drinks, and then fuck. And that's it. In this part of the work, gender roles are quite clearly delineated. And maybe even stricter is the relationship between business and customer. East Asians expect excellent customer service within the boudaries of the service they pay for; nothing more and nothing less. These concepts are easily represented by the fact that East Asian men don't typically pay mind to what women say. They also expect service to be done to them and thus expect the woman to lead in the bedroom. In this regard, the women are professionals who provide a service and thus its no surprise that massages, BJs, and cowgirl are the mainstays of the mongering experience in this part of the world.
As further example of the difference between cultures consider how Westerners expect a waitress to be kind, polite, and happy and then reward such behaviour with a tip. East Asians, on the other hand, place no such expectations on wait staff. Eating out isn't an emotional experience. They only expect that the food they ordered will be put on the table in a timely manner. And no tips are involved--ever. They pay for what they get and they get what they pay for. Removing the emotion from transactions makes it easier for everyone involved to do their job. Sex with a prostitute is treated in like manner by each respective culture.
So, all of this begs the question: what do Indians want? If what they want doesn't easily fit into the typical experience of a Thai sex worker, then the women will have to decide if they want to provide the service. If what they want is no different from one of the scenarios above, I'm sure they'll be accepted.