Sao Paulo Reports

[Above Average]

So my first day in Brazil was pretty disappointing. My first day after any long flight usually sucks but I has extra reason to be frustrated.

To start GRU is the only airport I've been to where there is nowhere to buy a sim card. It's really sucks being in a new country without any data to use maps or uber. I can still book an uber using the airports wifi but I figure I should grab some cash just in case my card doesn't cooperate (and it doesn't). Turns out the atms are even worse than the atms in Colombia (so far) and the exchange rates plus fees are horrible. The best ATM I can find offers an exchange rate 20% below market rate and a $24 fee. This sucks but I withdraw just enough cash to get me to my hotel in hopes I can find a better ATM elsewhere.

I get to my hotel and my main priority is to still find a sim card, but I discover that 90% of stores are closed on Sunday. The hotel clerk tells me that there is a mall about a 6 min drive away (30 min walk) so I book another Uber using the hotel wifi and go there. I only see luxury clothes stores and no mobile providers so I find the information desk and they tell me that Vivo is on floor 2 and Claro is on floor 3. After being lost for another 15 minutes I learn that in Brazil the ground floor is level 0 not 1. I go to the Vivo store and the staff is all busy. I go to Claro and I see 3 employees helping 2 customers so I take a seat at the desk and wait. After waiting for 5 min I interrupt one of the employees and ask how much longer. He apathetically says "I don't know" so I leave in a very passive aggressive manner. I go back to Vivo and one of the employees is kind enough to tell me I need to take a number and points towards a screen that has no number on display. I don't get it but I take a number and wait. The waiting is slow so I go upstairs to floor 3 (floor 4 in north american) and I order a wrap. Once again I am issued a number so I sit and wait again, and I people-watch to pass the time. I see lots if beautiful women and I also see a 12 year old girl wearing one of those sexy underboob shirts and I am disturbed. I get my wrap and it is decent. I go back downstairs and Vivo is now ready to help me. As soon as they figure out I'm a foreigner they ask for my passport and obviously I don't have it on me because everybody I talked to told me to only carry what I needed in Brazil. I have to go back to my hotel but I have no cash so I need to find another shitty ATM. There are no atms in the mall so I have to across the street. Banco Santander does not accept my debit card so I go across another street to Bradesco. They are offering an exchange rate 11% under market rate and a $20 fee. This also sucks but it's the best so far. I get more cash and I'm finally headed back to my hotel, but no Uber this time since there's no wifi. Turns out taxis are almost twice as expensive as Uber.

By the time I get back to my hotel, pick up my passport, go back to the mall and get my sim card set up, it's already been 8 hours since my plane landed. I'm jet-lagged and tired as fuck and I'm secretly hoping that half the mall staff die in a fire because the firefighters can't tell what floor they're on. I'm too tired and frustrated to do anything else that day.

If anybody here is going to be a first time visitor to Brazil, please learn from my mistakes.

[Knowledge]

This is excellent advice. I think this is what confuses guys.

I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently dont and thats The reason this keeps coming up the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.

Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.

[Zeyto]

When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.

Hey wouldn't mind meeting up as well. I'll be there next month on the 12th.

[KcDark]

Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.

When will you be in SP? I will be there next month.

[ElPostino]

SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.

Dollar is down now. Last month it was 5. 25, now is 4. 81 so it is getting expensive too.

[FlowState985]

I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.

First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.

SP is like any major city in the US, it is not dangerous depends on where you go. As far as Scandallo, yes it is getting more and more expensive and probably will remain there if people willing to pay the price and also not guarantee service. More beautiful women for sure because you have more overall women at the club plus they dress and put on makeup. Clinicas give you the best bang for your bucks, and you can find good looking girl for great service, plus if you're not a night time person, it is best for clinicas.

[Anaggie]

So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?

Just book your room for two guests and the problem is solved. You can bring different girls and most of the time they don't check during the day. They might check later in the night when you come back to the room with a girl. She can register with the hotel and if you have two guests, then they won't charge you anything.

[Steve 9696]

I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.

I am sure u know this Knowledge but others apparently don’t and that’s The reason this keeps coming up — the banks try to trick you. But it's standardized and easy to avoid. When you are doing a withdrawal it will ask you a question. Different banks phrase it differently. Some times it says "withdraw without conversion" or it may say "withdraw in Reals or with draw in USD" (with a footnote that all money will be in Reals. It is confusing. One option the local bank does the conversion. BAD. Bad rate and high fees. And the other your home bank does it at spot rate. GOOD.

Always choose "without conversion" or "withdraw in local currency". Do not choose "with conversion" or "withdraw in USD". These are bad. The non conversion is the option you want. P.S. I found Bradesco to be the most reliable. Both in SP and Rio.

[Jackob54]

ABG's experiences and assistance were of great value. However, clinica discussions dominated the SP thread during the height of ABG's tour guide business.

So I agree. I think the SP forum has flourished with broader experiences. There's still plenty of posts on the clinicas. I'm surprised no local has picked up where ABG left off.

Hi everyone. Anyone who can assist me with wingman to hangout in SP. Self will be travelling to SP next month.

[BigButtDetecto]

27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.

I'm sure Escandallo has pretty girls, but I don't think its a good idea to spend that much money on one girl. I will go to SP in 2 weeks but I will probably overlook the boates and go to the clinicas.

First I prefer daytime action and SP can be dangerous at night; second paying a lot of money for a girl is not a guarantee that she will comply with your wishes; third, in Tijuana or Colombia I can have 4 stunners for the price of one at Escandallo. If you have a bad experience with one of them you may still be happy with the 3 others.

[Knowledge]

I've been to quite a few countries. I haven't experienced one yet where ATMs don't offer best or at least competitive exchange rates. Add the convenience factor athis is tnd avoiding the risk of traveling with large amounts of cash and I am baffled why the debate about this continues.

I did a detailed post on Colombian ATMs back in 2020. Basically I found that using my debit at ATMs was the best way to access cash in Colombia. Most ATMs have ridiculous fees on top of crappy exchange rates, but if you go the right ATMs you can get a decent rate.

I just arrived in SP so I don't know the best method to get cash or do an online payment.

PayPal doesn't give a great rate and apparently they take another 10% from the recipient? If true that's obscene.

I'm pretty sure only Brazilians can use Pix, can somebody confirm?

What do you guys recommend for ATMs or payment apps?

[Zeyto]

AIRBNB and HOTEL

Also take into consideration of hotels. Some girls will only go to a guys place if it's a hotel. I had some scandallo girls tell me this and online girls. Since this is my 6th rodeo I had some girls who I had a repeat with come to my airbnb but that's because they knew I was 300 like the romans (300 = CCC = cool, calm, collective).

I stayed in the Grand Hyatt at their presidential suite which is their best suite and it was a delight. I was there during lollapalooza festival so it was extra interesting as some of the artists were staying on the same floor and security was extra tight as there was a ton of fan girls waiting to see their favorite artists walk by. I'm sure some were for me as well but I didn't pay them no mind.

Things to take note of is that the maximum registered guests you can have for your stay is 3 people. Anything over that you have to pay R150. The rooms is big enough to have 6-8 people over so really it's up to you if you want to pay that extra cost for an 4 some or more. Before 7 pm they don't really care about you bringing a girl or 2 or 4 over because they know you have friends that will want to come over but after 7 pm they have a security guard at the front who will guide you to the front desk to sign in your guests because they assume anyone coming in after 7 pm might stay the night and they don't want a fiesta happening in your place without getting a piece of that sweet action. Once a girl leaves make sure to sign them out so you have two guests available to come still. The front desk might try to squeeze you like a Heinz EZ Squirt Purple ketchup bottle and say you already used up your 2 guest spots and now you have to pay R150 for any new visitors. That's not how it works. It's any two guests at any given time. As long as you signed out any previous guests you don't have to pay unless you go over the room limit. It's usually a different front desk person so they might be confused so just politely tell them you are within the limit and clear up the confusion.

With the presidential suite you also get free breakfast, usually that means downstairs on the first floor but you can also get it sent to your room complimentary. You have to use the hotel's website to order your breakfast combo and add it to your room charge and schedule it but once you check out it will be noted as complimentary and you don't pay. A buddy of mine who has been there many many time never knew this and always missed breakfast. With the jacuzzi and it's view of the city it's really the best spot in SP. Your girl will go wild.

So just wanted to clarify, since I reserved my room at the Renaissance for just me, will I be charged the R150 every time I bring a new guest or will there be some leeway during a specific time of day?

[CatBert55]

Quick question, how quiet is SP between roughly the 27th and 2nd of Jan? I am assuming slim pickings with a lot of people headed home or away on holiday? Would love to be wrong about that as its convenient timing for me.?

27-30 will be OK. I was in SP same time period last year (2022). The boates, especially Scandello, weren't very crowded but there was more than enough talent for a good time. The boates will be closed NYE but it's a Sunday this year and they would have been closed anyway.

[Maelstrom]

My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

The main thing that I noticed is that in So Paulo the girls always try to rush and call it good after one shot. Even the high end list girls too they don't put any effort.

I think some of the lists are also the same agents that are running PA too.

I had a situation twice where the girl (agent) offers a service through the phone. I get there and they say, "oh I don't do that" or "not for this price".

I said yeah if not I'm out.

I get out to leave and the agent talks to me directly with the girls supposed number.

Gave me all kinds of threats and said I had to pay the girl for wasting her time. That they know where I am staying and the like.

Just keep in mind that all these girls are working for an agent and when you message them they are working as a intermediary. Only once you meet them can you see them cutting out the middle man.

But even then after sampling like out here I am not too impressed.

For the price of comming out here and the inflated prices these girls are charging I would go elsewhere.

I'm due up for my trip report but I will say briefly the best experience I've had mongering (including MX, Colombia, Philippines, Brazil) has been bar fining the Scandalo girls back to my hotel. They never leave after the first pop stick around a few hours and I've gone 2 more rounds. Also very open to negotiating I usually counter with 300 reais below asking. Some absolute smoke show Brancas were amazing in bed

The day clinicas are also amazing bang for buck if you find a gem in the lineup. Wow talk about money's worth.

[Rocko20]

My recent sao-paulo trip was underwhelming not quite the quality or bang for buck I get even in the states with SA.

I tried a combo of lists and also went to scandallo.

I don't understand this post. You claimed you went to scandallo but most of your posts talks about agents and outcalls?

I'm planning a trip to sao paulo in June, and the posts here said there's 200+ WG in scandallo, but you're claiming you couldn't find one good one?

As far as the "rush and call it a good one after a shot," well yeah, that's why you have to negotiate multiple shots with WGs. Some folks are far too reliant on escort agency outcalls with fake pictures and pushy managers, when all they had to do was walk down the street to a brothel and pick who they want.