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**VinDici** · 09-05-23 09:55

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**GDreams** · 09-02-23 10:50

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**VinDici** · 08-30-23 18:41

Originally Posted by James006 [View Original Post]

I keep hearing about Ukrainians returning home at least to visit family.

Does anyone know if the strip clubs, the offer of ladies and not least the prices are generally the same as before the war?

The air defense in Kiev is said to be quite good, so perhaps more people will eventually take the chance to visit Kiev?

My contacts usually take the train from Warsaw.

Prices are higher, and there is still plenty of action to be had.

**James 006** · 08-30-23 15:35

I keep hearing about Ukrainians returning home at least to visit family.

Does anyone know if the strip clubs, the offer of ladies and not least the prices are generally the same as before the war?

The air defense in Kiev is said to be quite good, so perhaps more people will eventually take the chance to visit Kiev?

My contacts usually take the train from Warsaw.

**Pistons** · 08-07-23 17:33

LOL, guy around the world needs to stop being pushover really: 1 drink with a girl should mean sex.

Just buy her a drink, and then tell her that if she drinks from it, you go straight back to your room right after.

No meet up unless there are sex involved if you talk in advance.

These things should be the global norm!

Take a stance guys! Don't be such prudes!

Case closed.

**Gopnik** · 07-04-23 00:27

Though nothing new, I do think this is valuable to remember and I fully support this post. I love Slavic women. But many are snakes. Look, if your only goal is sex or sponsorship, don't play games. As Ralph Fiennes character in Schindler's List says: "We're not going to argue with these people. " Take them for a first meeting to Starbucks or a restaurant of your choosing. Make sure she understands no money until she's alone and naked with you. Don't think with your dick only. If she's hot but seems a headache, drop her as it will never be worth it. Be a man. You don't have to be rude but you do have to be firm. Ukrainian women like men who have a backbone and loathe soft men they can stomp on.

When I was living in Kyiv, which I did for eight years until the war began, I on many occasions suggested a restaurant to a woman. If she began with the 'I don't like that place', I'the retort 'OK! No problem. If you change your mind, let me know and we can meet' because a good girl doesn't give a flying you know what where you meet as long as she thinks you are serious about supporting her.

**DramaFree11** · 07-03-23 15:56

Originally Posted by Rugga [View Original Post]

They are all over European cities having the time of their lives. They are scamming local men who don't know the Ukrainian girl character and motives. These women go on dating apps meet guys get taken to expensive restaurants, bars, holidays even. And they dont offer any sex. They only want to use your wallet.

In the last year I've met this type of Ukrainian girls in Berlin, Warsaw, Krakow, Barcelona, London and Tbilisi. I know their game because I have been to Ukraine several times before the war. This is what typically happens:

You match, chat a bit, suggest meeting, she plays dumb and doesn't know this city, but she loves seafood or steak. Gullible local guy takes her out spends a lot on her. They continue chatting. Same on second date third date. And she is doing this to multiple men.

One example is in Berlin there are many Ukrainians. I matched agreed to meet and decide what to do. I took her to an ordinary cafe. Because I know she is very likely out to scam me if she can. After we go for a walk and she pops into pharmacy and gets lots of stuff. Suddenly her card doesn't work. She asks me if I can help buy medicine, hardly any medicine there, mostly cosmetic stuff. I say no sorry you'll have to sort your card out then do your shopping. We exit the pharmacy walk, she says she got a message must go and hops onto tram. Within 5 minutes I'm unmatched and blocked. Cunts. Relatively rich local guys are getting used by these 'poor refugee' girls..

Yep, but this has been going on for over 10 years now. The hot chicks left years ago, sorry this is the truth.

Very sad what has happened to Ukraine over the last decade and the war / corruption is destroying a great country.

**Rugga** · 07-03-23 14:34

Originally Posted by GentlemanTravel [View Original Post]

So where are these hot ex-pat non-pro women now? Poland? Romania? And how can we connect with them? Are there Ukrainian web-sites or networks where you can meet Ukrainian women who have relocated to Europe or America?

They are all over European cities having the time of their lives. They are scamming local men who don't know the Ukrainian girl character and motives. These women go on dating apps meet guys get taken to expensive restaurants, bars, holidays even. And they dont offer any sex. They only want to use your wallet.

In the last year I've met this type of Ukrainian girls in Berlin, Warsaw, Krakow, Barcelona, London and Tbilisi. I know their game because I have been to Ukraine several times before the war. This is what typically happens:

You match, chat a bit, suggest meeting, she plays dumb and doesn't know this city, but she loves seafood or steak. Gullible local guy takes her out spends a lot on her. They continue chatting. Same on second date third date. And she is doing this to multiple men.

One example is in Berlin there are many Ukrainians. I matched agreed to meet and decide what to do. I took her to an ordinary cafe. Because I know she is very likely out to scam me if she can. After we go for a walk and she pops into pharmacy and gets lots of stuff. Suddenly her card doesn't work. She asks me if I can help buy medicine, hardly any medicine there, mostly cosmetic stuff. I say no sorry you'll have to sort your card out then do your shopping. We exit the pharmacy walk, she says she got a message must go and hops onto tram. Within 5 minutes I'm unmatched and blocked. Cunts. Relatively rich local guys are getting used by these 'poor refugee' girls.

Why do I go on these dates if I know what these women are about? There is a small chance you can establish contact keep in touch and she may take her pants down. And I have fucked two like this but only because I tempted them with a possible holiday in a few weeks time. Then regrettably my employer refused me the time off. Hahahaha ; )

Be careful with Ukrainian girls in European cities. Because old habits die hard and these girls are the most manipulative and cunning in the whole world.

**Cheeky Darky** · 05-16-23 18:12

Originally Posted by Muddy7 [View Original Post]

Whats their price range in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel in Dubai?

From a club. Anywhere from 1000 AED (approx 280 USD) through to 2000 aed. For a LT (which does usually only translate to 3 or 4 hours.

Massage Republic you can check yourself. But circa 1200 AED for 1 hour.

Head over to the UAE forums to check it out. Frequent updates.

**Muddy7** · 05-12-23 01:00

Originally Posted by JoeKarnavic [View Original Post]

There are no brothels or RLD in Dubai. You will find lot of Ukranian girls in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel. You have to take them to your hotels or apartments. You will find them also on Massage Republic where you can meet them in their apartments. Tinder is full of them. After war in Ukraine the Russians and Ukranian girls have multiplied in numbers in Dubai.

Whats their price range in Clubs like Czar or Red Square in Moscow hotel in Dubai?

**Muddy7** · 05-12-23 00:49

Originally Posted by Gopnik [View Original Post]

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska..

I used GIA over 50 times, now called escort. Vc.

I don't use it any more because:

1- now they charge you to see photos of girls.

2- many fake photos.

3- their prices are way too high, forget it, its doubled.

4- their operator is now a DICK, dumbass.

**Rodeo9112** · 04-27-23 03:34

Thank you for your well thought out response. This was exactly the insight I was hoping for. Not worth traveling so far out of my way and into danger for such meager (at best) savings.

Originally Posted by Gopnik [View Original Post]

As I've stated previously, I lived in Kyiv for eight years. Before the Revolution of Dignity, during and after. And eventually left Ukraine days after Putin's misadventure commenced. I'm sure mongering in Kyiv is different now as compared to February 23,2002, but in what ways I can only guess as I'm now too long out of Ukraine. What I can do is relate to you my experiences with women in Ukraine before the war and try to make assumptions of what might be happening now.

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska.

With that said, let's get to the numbers. You mentioned girls are asking 2400 UAH for one hour and which works out to be about 65 USD. For a girl in the capital, that's a very fair price, some might suggest even cheap. However, that's the price point where you could be pleasantly surprised or disappointed when you actually meet her. In eight years, I only agreed to meet three women at that price range and while they were certainly worth a fuck, they were not repeat material. All university girls, by the way, but you'll find single mothers who live in villages near Kyiv willing to come in the city and fuck you for that price.

**Gopnik** · 04-26-23 05:05

As I've stated previously, I lived in Kyiv for eight years. Before the Revolution of Dignity, during and after. And eventually left Ukraine days after Putin's misadventure commenced. I'm sure mongering in Kyiv is different now as compared to February 23,2002, but in what ways I can only guess as I'm now too long out of Ukraine. What I can do is relate to you my experiences with women in Ukraine before the war and try to make assumptions of what might be happening now.

First, I never once used an escort agency in Ukraine. I never trusted them and thought their prices were too inflated. There was enough independent girls online that escort services were superfluous, especially since I was living full-time in the capital city. I even sponsored a university girl I met worked my at a Silpo in Shuliavska.

With that said, let's get to the numbers. You mentioned girls are asking 2400 UAH for one hour and which works out to be about 65 USD. For a girl in the capital, that's a very fair price, some might suggest even cheap. However, that's the price point where you could be pleasantly surprised or disappointed when you actually meet her. In eight years, I only agreed to meet three women at that price range and while they were certainly worth a fuck, they were not repeat material. All university girls, by the way, but you'll find single mothers who live in villages near Kyiv willing to come in the city and fuck you for that price.

In general, the prices you mentioned would not get you much in Kyiv before the war, and you have to be ready to be disappointed as it's really hit and miss.

Any quality university girl I sponsored wanted 100 USD minimum per meeting. I could have gotten cheaper but I wanted a quality piece of ass. A much hotter girl or woman wanted 150 USD.

Now there is a war on. This has to be taken into consideration. Many women have left and many foreign men, too (although my contacts have recently told me many foreigners have returned). What this has done to the market is both intriguing and uncertain. I hope to visit myself in autumn and see what's happening and write a report.

My final advice? If you have the time, try meeting some of those girls at the prices you mentioned and who knows what you'll find, but don't limit yourself. Try the Tinder and Mamba app while in Kyiv and see what's out there. I found some cheap but good fucks on Mamba but on Tinder there are usually more expensive yet higher quality women. In fact, the sexiest woman I sponsored or fucked while in Kyiv I found on Tinder and wanted 150 USD per meeting and was worth every penny. I found a stunning, full figured teen redhead in university on Mamba for 100 USD per meeting but she couldn't meet as often as I wanted to.

Last piece of advice, find a flat or hotel beside a metro station in case of a missile attack. This is their reality.

**Jmsuttr** · 04-26-23 04:26

Originally Posted by Rodeo9112 [View Original Post]

Hey there fellow deviants. New to this Ukraine board but many years of mongering in Latin America. Sooo, in conjunction with a recent Europe trip, I noticed a lack of expected Ukrainian working girls that I hoped to find in Central Europe. Therefore, upon my return home, I began to look at the current status of bordering crossings into western Ukraine, along with the prevalence of wartime violence in western areas. As you all were probably already aware, it's pretty quiet out west and border crossings are all open. So, after reading some postings in the General Info and Other Areas sections of this board, I checked out UKRGo dot com to see what was on offer. My thought is to possibly visit Lviv, entering from eastern Poland. My thought was to contact working girls in Kiev in order to refine my contact approach. I sent messages via my Czech Republic WhatsApp number, without a face photo on the profile. I also wrote to the girls in Ukrainian (using Google translate) in order to muddy my American origin. I wrote to 6 girls in Kiev and 2 girls in Lviv. I noticed there were multiple profiles of different girls with the same numbers. Does that mean they are just completely fake profiles or are they "agencies" that provide multiple girls? Anyway, I tried to get to pricing as quickly as possible before they started to ask where I'm located or where I'm from. I told one girl I was in a small town on the Ukrainian side of the border but that I was coming to Kiev for our appointment. I also told each girl that I was willing to pay 1500 UAH for a short time (1-2 hours) or 3000 UAH for overnight. Most girls seemed to want 2400 UAH for an hour. Although one sent me what appeared to be a set price list: 1200 UAH / HR sex; 700 UAH BJ only; 3200 UAH for overnight. These seem like pretty fair prices. Would you guys with pre-war experience in Ukraine agree. Is that a good price point or should I negotiate down more? There were also some prices to buy content which of course I am not interested in. Anxious to hear wisdom from the vets. Thanks in advance!

FWIW, "prevalence of wartime violence in western areas" is a misleading metric. All of Ukraine is a war zone. That's because there is no part of Ukraine that is not within range of Russian missiles, bombs, and drones. It's a false sense of security to think that everything will be fine because the physical battlefield isn't close by.

The fact that a particular area isn't currently experiencing bombardment is no guarantee that it won't. Things can change in an instant and the people who make the attack decisions, namely Putin and his generals, are not in the habit of giving advance notice.

Here's a timeline of attacks that have targeted the Lviv area:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022%E...ombing_of_Lviv

Kyiv has been attacked on many more occasions. So much so that I couldn't find a single timeline of Kyiv attacks. Every article I looked at dealt with barrages that happened on specific dates. But take the Lviv info as a baseline, and multiply it many times over. Maybe another forum member has an article or site with a good list of dates and locations of Kyiv attacks. If so, please share.

The fact that barrages are not happening right now could have a few possible explanations. Maybe Russia is running low on missiles? Maybe they're saving their missiles for use against Ukrainian forces during the counterattack that many believe will be launched this Spring? Or maybe they're stockpiling missiles to use in barrages on dates that have high symbolic value (like May 9th)?

The point is that nobody knows. And nobody has a crystal ball. So, for anyone who doesn't absolutely need to be in Ukraine right now, you're essentially rolling the dice. Maybe those dice will roll in your favor, or maybe they won't. It's truly a crapshoot!

Everyone is certainly entitled to decide for themselves if the risk is worth it. But how bizarre would it be to find oneself on the wrong side of a missile bombardment, all for the sake of a little pussy? Especially since pussy is a commodity readily found worldwide.

And, while I certainly understand that the odds of being in the wrong place at the wrong time may be low. It's worth remembering that all or most of the people who have been killed in past attacks probably felt the same way. A quick web search on the topic will show cars destroyed in the middle of the street, burned out residential buildings, shredded shopping areas, and decimated transit stops. Those people probably felt the odds were in their favor. May they rest in peace.

**Rodeo9112** · 04-26-23 01:18

Hey there fellow deviants. New to this Ukraine board but many years of mongering in Latin America. Sooo, in conjunction with a recent Europe trip, I noticed a lack of expected Ukrainian working girls that I hoped to find in Central Europe. Therefore, upon my return home, I began to look at the current status of bordering crossings into western Ukraine, along with the prevalence of wartime violence in western areas. As you all were probably already aware, it's pretty quiet out west and border crossings are all open. So, after reading some postings in the General Info and Other Areas sections of this board, I checked out UKRGo dot com to see what was on offer. My thought is to possibly visit Lviv, entering from eastern Poland. My thought was to contact working girls in Kiev in order to refine my contact approach. I sent messages via my Czech Republic WhatsApp number, without a face photo on the profile. I also wrote to the girls in Ukrainian (using Google translate) in order to muddy my American origin. I wrote to 6 girls in Kiev and 2 girls in Lviv. I noticed there were multiple profiles of different girls with the same numbers. Does that mean they are just completely fake profiles or are they "agencies" that provide multiple girls? Anyway, I tried to get to pricing as quickly as possible before they started to ask where I'm located or where I'm from. I told one girl I was in a small town on the Ukrainian side of the border but that I was coming to Kiev for our appointment. I also told each girl that I was willing to pay 1500 UAH for a short time (1-2 hours) or 3000 UAH for overnight. Most girls seemed to want 2400 UAH for an hour. Although one sent me what appeared to be a set price list: 1200 UAH / HR sex; 700 UAH BJ only; 3200 UAH for overnight. These seem like pretty fair prices. Would you guys with pre-war experience in Ukraine agree. Is that a good price point or should I negotiate down more? There were also some prices to buy content which of course I am not interested in. Anxious to hear wisdom from the vets. Thanks in advance!