Seoul

**OohxTasty10** · 05-23-23 19:30

Originally Posted by EnterTheV [View Original Post]

You should try YDP RLD and Miari and see how it goes? Those would be my first 2 stops.

I'm not in town anymore but I remember stopping by the YDP RLD and most of the korean girls straight up cold shoulder'd me because I'm not Korean. I didn't try very hard though maybe I'd have better luck if I was a bit more thorough.

**Cork2023** · 05-23-23 11:25

Originally Posted by MrFuji [View Original Post]

Hey KMax212,

Sorry for the late reply, was away from my computer for a bit. I would be open to it. The shirt rooms, NRBs, and host bars require a group and would be scary as hell to enter alone. But I can't figure out the messaging system and don't know enough about the forum rules though. If you have any bright ideas, I'm all ears.

I will report back that I've had good success getting a couple hyugatels and kiss rooms from opgani12 to send me their line-ups and start the reservation process. It's got to be 100% in Korean and I'm starting to pick up the lingo they use. About 75% of them asked me to call though to confirm which is where I hit a roadblock as I don't have a Korean phone but hoping to pick up a burner tomorrow.

I would be interested in going as a group somewhere as well.

What is opgani12?

**Enter The V** · 05-22-23 11:54

Originally Posted by OohxTasty10 [View Original Post]

I spent about 1 week in Seoul and here are two reports I wanted to post about.

I went to Itaewon RLD on a Thursday evening (I thought avoiding the weekend would get me a better deal). There weren't that many women working that night, but one of the mama-sans did hook me up with a girl who claimed to be 33. Now, I'm a 32 year old guy so I can confidently say that this girl was closer the 43 than she was to 33 LOL. But that's okay, because she was actually pretty hot and had a really good attitude. To me attitude especially matters a lot since I don't want it to feel like a mechanical chore. Also, she was Korean which is what I was hoping for as well. Anyway, she took me to a private room nearby. I paid 140 k Won for 1 hour of service which included BBFS and CIP, which I was able to do two pops in that hour. The mama-san and the girl both had decent English, I didn't need a translator app at all (I speak no Korean BTW).

On a separate night, I went to a Thai massage place in Jung-gu that I think was called something like "Siam Massage" or whatever. It was on the second floor of a building on some alley near a hotel. I paid the house fee to get in and I got a super cute Thai girl who was actually young. If I had to guess she was late 20's. The massage itself was actually really good, like if I had just gone there for that and left I definitely would have gotten my money's worth. Anyway, after the flip we started negotiating. She spoke almost no English so I did have to use a translator app (translating into Thai, not Korean LOL). Anyway, she originally asked for 100 k Won for a single pop..

You should try YDP RLD and Miari and see how it goes? Those would be my first 2 stops.

**OohxTasty10** · 05-21-23 13:40

Originally Posted by MMFgBangLover [View Original Post]

Thanks for reporting. Could you describe the girl, bar, and mamasan? I've only been able to pass by there twice a while ago and didn't see anything tempting.

The mama-san was short and stocky had her hair up in a bun and was wearing what appeared to be a nightgown? I forgot what the name of the place she was at was called, but if you start at the bottom of the hill / street and walk about 2/3 of the way up it'll be about there, on your left. The actual girl was wearing a super lowcut top, her tits like popping out kinda in your face. Her build was average, she wasn't thin but wasn't chubby. It also looked like she had some kind of work done to her hair. Maybe highlights? Or tips? It wasn't quite the jet black Korean hair you expect even though she was Korean.

**MMFgBangLover** · 05-20-23 19:28

Originally Posted by OohxTasty10 [View Original Post]

I spent about 1 week in Seoul and here are two reports I wanted to post about.

I went to Itaewon RLD on a Thursday evening (I thought avoiding the weekend would get me a better deal). There weren't that many women working that night, but one of the mama-sans did hook me up with a girl who claimed to be 33. Now, I'm a 32 year old guy so I can confidently say that this girl was closer the 43 than she was to 33 LOL. But that's okay, because she was actually pretty hot and had a really good attitude.

Thanks for reporting. Could you describe the girl, bar, and mamasan? I've only been able to pass by there twice a while ago and didn't see anything tempting.

**OohxTasty10** · 05-20-23 16:21

I spent about 1 week in Seoul and here are two reports I wanted to post about.

I went to Itaewon RLD on a Thursday evening (I thought avoiding the weekend would get me a better deal). There weren't that many women working that night, but one of the mama-sans did hook me up with a girl who claimed to be 33. Now, I'm a 32 year old guy so I can confidently say that this girl was closer the 43 than she was to 33 LOL. But that's okay, because she was actually pretty hot and had a really good attitude. To me attitude especially matters a lot since I don't want it to feel like a mechanical chore. Also, she was Korean which is what I was hoping for as well. Anyway, she took me to a private room nearby. I paid 140 k Won for 1 hour of service which included BBFS and CIP, which I was able to do two pops in that hour. The mama-san and the girl both had decent English, I didn't need a translator app at all (I speak no Korean BTW).

On a separate night, I went to a Thai massage place in Jung-gu that I think was called something like "Siam Massage" or whatever. It was on the second floor of a building on some alley near a hotel. I paid the house fee to get in and I got a super cute Thai girl who was actually young. If I had to guess she was late 20's. The massage itself was actually really good, like if I had just gone there for that and left I definitely would have gotten my money's worth. Anyway, after the flip we started negotiating. She spoke almost no English so I did have to use a translator app (translating into Thai, not Korean LOL). Anyway, she originally asked for 100 k Won for a single pop. I negotiated her to 160 k Won for 2 pops. Anyway, she refused to do BBFS or CIP even when I offered to throw in an extra 50 k it was just a hardline no for her. Fair enough. So we did do CFS and she also did BBBJ. She was very tight and definitely got my first load out very quickly. The only thing I'd complain about is that the room they put us in had a single bed which barely fit us even though she was short with a spinner type body. Like I would have rather us just go back to my hotel but I get that she had to work and couldn't leave that place.

All in all, both experiences were interesting. Definitely way cheaper than what I'd be able to get back in the US. Idk if I'd want to repeat with either girl simply because I think I could do better? This was my first time mongering in Seoul and I speak 0 Korean.

**MMFgBangLover** · 05-20-23 12:38

Originally Posted by MMFgBangLover [View Original Post]

That Elena isn't on MR anymore. Someone mentioned her using photos that weren't her. The Bella with reports here left Korea a long time ago and also isn't on the Seoul MR.

Never mind. Elena's ad's up now. Under the name Hot Elena.

**MMFgBangLover** · 05-19-23 05:03

Originally Posted by Pluto1 [View Original Post]

So on MR I see a few Bella's now. Which one is the recommended one?

Also I saw some reports on Elena (Russian) but don't see one, is she no longer advertising?

Originally Posted by Pluto1 [View Original Post]

So on MR I see a few Bella's now. Which one is the recommended one?

Also I saw some reports on Elena (Russian) but don't see one, is she no longer advertising?

That Elena isn't on MR anymore. Someone mentioned her using photos that weren't her. The Bella with reports here left Korea a long time ago and also isn't on the Seoul MR.

**Bonjovi3** · 05-19-23 01:51

https://n.news.naver.com/article/366/0000901499

Online prostitution mediation site owner sentenced. It's an interesting read for those wondering what's happening to the sex trade in this country.

https://n.news.naver.com/article/032/0003223540

If you thought service in Korea was expensive, it is potentially even more expensive than you would have ever thought possible.

The John in the article spent nearly 100,000,000 won a year on one woman, resulting in 900,000,000 won having been spent over roughly 10 years. Doing some napkin math shows that the John could have gotten anywhere from 500 to 1,000 encounters with as many as 500 to 1,000 different women for the same amount of money he paid one woman for one year's worth of service. And only he, her and God know how many times he actually nutted in her each year for such a large sum.

This article is particularly interesting if you read between the lines and extrapolate how this might relate to those of us on this forum. Careful readers might begin to understand why many Korean women won't deal with foreigners. With foreigners who cannot communicate with the women, there isn't the remotest possibility that the women will be able to earn such a large paycheck. All the cute pouting and endless cries of Oppa won't earn a working woman an extra cent. Most foreigners aren't paying for an ego boost and have no intention of becoming the victim of a love scam. I think it's fair to say that we just want to fuck, and a lack of Korean communication skills actually makes us immune to the emotional tactics employed by these women.

Based on the high prices of Korean OP services in Seoul, it is likely that these women are on the hunt for just the sort sugar daddy that's described in the article. Logic suggests that if a guy is willing and able to pay 1,000,000 won for an hour or two, and a women is able to seduce such a guy and make him fall in love, then her potential earnings are limitless. I'm sure not all sugar daddies are this lucrative, but I'm almost certain that the women working at OPs can smell these sorts of guys from miles away.

However, if I had that much disposable income to throw around, who's to say that I wouldn't also pay a stipend or a retainer to keep a bit of young tail nearby. Who knows, maybe this amount of money is like pocket change to these guys.

**Pluto1** · 05-18-23 16:12

So on MR I see a few Bella's now. Which one is the recommended one?

Also I saw some reports on Elena (Russian) but don't see one, is she no longer advertising?

**Bonjovi3** · 05-17-23 03:50

Originally Posted by KMax212 [View Original Post]

Don't think I'll have a chance to try this out this trip since the rest of my time here is busy, but I will try when I come back next time and report back.

Providing ID is a pretty steep bar, I'm surprised how thorough this verification is and how willing customers are for this. Is there a verification process that agencies use instead? Ie give the number of two other agencies who can vouch for you as a reasonable customer? This is what other agencies in the US do sometimes. Then again, with a centralized DB service it seems like most agencies use, would that even be necessary?

For the IDs you provided, did you provide your ARC card then? Seems like you are a foreigner and yet have Korea-issued ID so seems like that's the only option really? Apologies if I'm prying.

Will certainly report back on any future endeavors but it may be a while from now. I will be doing research on my own around this centralized DB as this is interesting to me for.

General reasons too.

Online bookings have always required some form of ID for verification. A few years back, some places were OK with a picture of a business card (provided it included one's name and cell phone number). Some may still be OK with this, but I think many realized that police could easily make fake business cards, and so started to request official papers instead.

However, as far as I know, this entire process may have changed in the past few years. I provided my ID a long time ago, so I can't say I know for certain that it's done the same exact way now. It's possible that the process of vetting first time customers is different, however, I assume that it wouldn't have changed much because the need to vet customers is as high as ever.

In Korea, the databases are the customer verification process. From what I've read, these databases contain a load of customer information, and this has done away with the need for customers to provide referrals. Instead businesses just query the database to see where customers have been. Apparently, these databases contain a record of visits, course preferences, amounts paid, etc. I believe that the DCinside article also mentioned that the files contain information about customers' attitude, behaviour, or habits as well, I. E. , stinky, overweight, cums quickly, etc.

I am indeed a foreigner and, yes, I provided my ARC. I understand that most people wouldn't want to do this, but it's the only way, and so when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I'm fairly certain that even foreigners who can read enough Korean to navigate the listings and then speak Korean well enough to call the business operators would be too cautious to provide ID most of the time. This is undoubtedly why so few foreigners use these services.

**LovinAsia** · 05-16-23 09:33

Originally Posted by KMax212 [View Original Post]

Don't think I'll have a chance to try this out this trip since the rest of my time here is busy, but I will try when I come back next time and report back.

Providing ID is a pretty steep bar, I'm surprised how thorough this verification is and how willing customers are for this. Is there a verification process that agencies use instead? Ie give the number of two other agencies who can vouch for you as a reasonable customer? This is what other agencies in the US do sometimes. Then again, with a centralized DB service it seems like most agencies use, would that even be necessary?

For the IDs you provided, did you provide your ARC card then? Seems like you are a foreigner and yet have Korea-issued ID so seems like that's the only option really? Apologies if I'm prying.

Will certainly report back on any future endeavors but it may be a while from now. I will be doing research on my own around this centralized DB as this is interesting to me for.

General reasons too.

And the most hilarious part is the sub par service you get 80 percent of the time. What a joke.

**KMax212** · 05-15-23 22:58

Don't think I'll have a chance to try this out this trip since the rest of my time here is busy, but I will try when I come back next time and report back.

Providing ID is a pretty steep bar, I'm surprised how thorough this verification is and how willing customers are for this. Is there a verification process that agencies use instead? Ie give the number of two other agencies who can vouch for you as a reasonable customer? This is what other agencies in the US do sometimes. Then again, with a centralized DB service it seems like most agencies use, would that even be necessary?

For the IDs you provided, did you provide your ARC card then? Seems like you are a foreigner and yet have Korea-issued ID so seems like that's the only option really? Apologies if I'm prying.

Will certainly report back on any future endeavors but it may be a while from now. I will be doing research on my own around this centralized DB as this is interesting to me for.

General reasons too.

Originally Posted by Bonjovi3 [View Original Post]

I don't see why a sim from the airport wouldn't work. I think it would be OK.

By the way, you're not simply facing a phone issue. Getting a hold of a Korean phone number is certainly one major hurdle, but the higher mountain to climb is the requirement to provide a photo or scan of an ID card.

Most Hyugetels and OPs want to confirm their customers' identities and this means that new customers are asked to verify who they are by providing valid photo ID. I've had to provide ID twice, which suggests that there are at least two major organizations handling these types of businesses in Seoul and that they each use their own customer database.

Regarding your situation as a non-resident tourist, the issue is whether they will accept your ID. From first hand experience, I know that they accept Korean government issued ID, but I have no idea whether they would accept a passport or ID from another country. I don't believe anyone has posted a report confirming that they have successfully booked an appointment using ID issued outside Korea. This means that you're essentially in uncharted territory, and that any future report you write would be invaluable.

I'm sure a lot of people on this forum would greatly benefit from reading about your upcoming experience. Whether you're able to book an appointment from an online listing or not, please write up a report. I, for one, would be curious to know which types of providers you contacted (Hyugetel, OP, Gunma etc.), what troubles you faced, how far you got in the process, and whether the experience was worth all the hassle.

As always, good luck.

**Bonjovi3** · 05-15-23 02:29

Originally Posted by KMax212 [View Original Post]

Again, appreciate the info. Found that article in one of your past posts and had a good read. DCInside is a maze even to someone who has a decent grasp of korean. Some forums are used regularly and others have dust collecting from years of disuse. Do you know if there's particular slang folks use to talk about this or a specific forum where this is discussed? The article you mentioned was randomly in the southeast asia part altho it discusses korean domestic use. I guess maybe sex tourism discussion is just higher in that forum and it bleeds over to this?

Also, do you know if the eSim + phone numbers you can only get at the airport would suffice for the sites on opgani etc? That seems to be the only way to get a korean phone number as a visitor without an ARC, but I'm not sure if that'll be some sort of strange number that IDs you as a visitor that agencies will filter out.

Otherwise I'the have to borrow other people's phones or go with someone basically LOL.

I don't see why a sim from the airport wouldn't work. I think it would be OK.

By the way, you're not simply facing a phone issue. Getting a hold of a Korean phone number is certainly one major hurdle, but the higher mountain to climb is the requirement to provide a photo or scan of an ID card.

Most Hyugetels and OPs want to confirm their customers' identities and this means that new customers are asked to verify who they are by providing valid photo ID. I've had to provide ID twice, which suggests that there are at least two major organizations handling these types of businesses in Seoul and that they each use their own customer database.

Regarding your situation as a non-resident tourist, the issue is whether they will accept your ID. From first hand experience, I know that they accept Korean government issued ID, but I have no idea whether they would accept a passport or ID from another country. I don't believe anyone has posted a report confirming that they have successfully booked an appointment using ID issued outside Korea. This means that you're essentially in uncharted territory, and that any future report you write would be invaluable.

I'm sure a lot of people on this forum would greatly benefit from reading about your upcoming experience. Whether you're able to book an appointment from an online listing or not, please write up a report. I, for one, would be curious to know which types of providers you contacted (Hyugetel, OP, Gunma etc.), what troubles you faced, how far you got in the process, and whether the experience was worth all the hassle.

As always, good luck.