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06-05-23 09:32 #12404
Posts: 5532Yeah, that's the ticket
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
You hang onto that idea that Trump's Pandemic just "came along" out of nowhere and maybe dummies who aren't paying attention will, you know, not vote for the one Party that can and has prevented those horrific results from magically, mystically materializing.
So the Pandemic, the Great Depression, Eisenhower's three Recessions and crap jobs creation, the S&L Crisis, Reagan's Great Recession, the Financial Crisis, Bush's Great Recession, Trump's $2. 5 Trillion in deficit spending to create fewer jobs with it than without it, his Great Jobs Destruction and Worldwide Economic / Supply-Chain Collapes, etc, etc, all just "came along."
It is only a wild coincidence that none of those things "come along" under Dem economic stewardship. And an even wilder coincidence that all of the notable boomtimes and historic jobs gains in decades and decades and decades happen under Dem stewardship and none under Repub stewardship.
Those great results just "come along" in magical, mystical ways too, don't they?
Poor Repubs. So unlucky.
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06-05-23 01:14 #12403
Posts: 428San Diego
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
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06-04-23 22:27 #12402
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by CaliGuy [View Original Post]
I'd weigh in on Tooms' recent posts but I've already addressed those issues at least three times. Tooms lives in a univariate world. That means he thinks economic growth and recessions are a function of only one variable, the party of the President. He doesn't consider technology, globalization, demographic changes like population growth, changes in productivity, the business cycle, Fed policy, events like the pandemic, what's happening in other countries, the make up of Congress, etc. If something like a pandemic comes along, then it's the Republican president's fault. Biden's American Rescue Plan played no part in igniting inflation here instead of other countries. Instead, it was all the Fed chiefs fault. And that's Trump's fault too, even though Jerome Powell was appointed to the Federal Reserve by Obama, and re-appointed Fed chief by Biden.
Anyway, yes, if Biden and like minded Democrats maintain control for the long term, we will suffer. Democrats like to spend money and they like big federal government. When you kick out petrostates and countries with less than a million people, the most prosperous developed countries in the world have lowest government revenues and expenditures as a % of GDP. That is, the developed countries that leave more money in the private sector, in the hands of the people and businesses, do better. If Biden as President and Bernie Sanders as Senate Budget Committee Chairman were in charge of the economy for the long term, our GDP per capita would be much lower than what it would be under Republican leadership. Now, Tooms probably realizes that, as to Sanders anyway. His response has been that Sanders isn't a Democrat, haha.
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06-04-23 21:05 #12401
Posts: 428The Great Green lie the left is pushing
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6b/a6/0f/6...cd8f5227e3.jpg
"A machine like this is required to move 500 tons of earth / ore which will be.
Refined into one lithium car battery. It burns 900-1000 gallons of fuel in a 12-hour shift.
Lithium is refined from ore using sulfuric acid. The proposed lithium mine at Thacker Pass, Nevada is estimated to require up to 75 semi-loads of sulfuric acid a day. ! The acid does not turn into unicorn food as AOC believes.
Refining lithium has created several EPA SUPERFUND SITES. IT IS VERY.
TOXIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
A battery in an electric car, let's say an average Tesla, is made of:
25 pounds of lithium.
60 pounds of nickel.
44 pounds of manganese.
30 pounds of cobalt.
200 pounds of copper.
And.
400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic, etc. Averaging 750-1,000 pounds of minerals, that had to be mined and processed.
Into a battery that merely stores electricity. Electricity which is generated by.
Oil, gas, coal, or water (and a tiny fraction of wind and solar).
That is the truth, about the lie, of "green" energy.
There's nothing green about the "Green New Deal".
You people better learn how to vote or this nonsense will continue to flow down on top of you from the throne of government upon of which you put these people.
Stop drinking the Green New Deal's sulfuric acid Kool-Aid. !
Dr. Phillip A. Fields.
University of South Alabama.
Mobile, Alabama.
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06-04-23 14:35 #12400
Posts: 428Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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06-04-23 01:40 #12399
Posts: 1823Kill anything that moves
Here is one for Elvis who refuses to believe USA has never done anything wrong since Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVIZVa1rlGY&t=804s
New research showing much worse death toll by USA in Cambodia. Kissinger is a mass murderer. Never convicted, lives with impunity, reparations never paid nor offered. Absolutely disgusting isn't it Elvis?
Lasts for 17 minutes.
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06-02-23 20:56 #12398
Posts: 5532Originally Posted by CaliGuy [View Original Post]
Uh. The S&P 500 Index closed at its all-time high of 4793 on December 29,2021. It is currently down at a typical "Correction" level, about 10%. It has never been in a "tail spin" under Biden as it did under Trump. At worst, it closed 3-4 percentage points lower than within a normal Correction range for a few days.
It has traded within that Correction range for about 17 months, similar to its behavior under Obama in 2015 and 2016, for about the same number of months and for the same reason; When the economy has begun to show reliable signs of recovery from the horrific Crashes experienced under the previous Repub stewardship, the Fed dithers in fits and starts over how much and how fast to appropriately raise the Fed Funds Rate. And that dithering can and has gone on for 15-18 months at a time.
Wall Street is ALWAYS spooked about what to do whenever the Fed says ANYTHING about raising rates, lowering rates, leaving rates alone, good news about rates, bad news about rates, any statement or utterance by the Fed even vaguely alluding to rates by so much as 25 basis points is enough to drive brave stock market investors under their beds and shaking like frightened kittens.
That is all that's been happening with the broad stock market for the past 17 months.
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06-02-23 19:19 #12397
Posts: 5532Oh yes, as true as
Originally Posted by CaliGuy [View Original Post]
Lolololol.
Payrolls rose 339,000 in May, much better than expected in resilient labor market
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/02/jobs...ndroidappshare
Dude, we're still waiting for those Great Dem Recessions under Clinton and Obama that never happened but all those pro Repub Economic Gurus and Repub Congressmen assured us they would. LOL.
Oh. Maybe you mean the mild recession Trump's Fed Chairman appointee is struggling mightily to artificially induce because there are way too many jobs being created in Biden's economy than there are applicants to accept them. The same economic "problem" we had under Carter.
For sure, that will never be an economic "problem" that job hunters, entrepreneurs, businessmen and investors will ever have to face under Repub stewardship and policies. No, under Repub stewardship and policies the economic problems are typically who the hell will buy anything from cupcakes to gasoline when jobs are being wiped out by the millions, businesses are closing in droves and Great Depressions or Great Recessions or at least serial Recessions and crap jobs creation are the norm.
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06-02-23 18:08 #12396
Posts: 428Worst president in history. Even worse than Obama
Thanks Joe for being the worst president in history for economic growth and business. The last 2 years the market and business has had the slowest growth since the great depression. Dow hit an all time high of 36,000 three to four months after Biden took office basically from the strong economic policies of the Trump administration. It took Biden destructive policies about 3 months from his taking office to send the market into a tailspin. Basically Dow is down 10% under Biden policies making his economy the worst in 75 years. We still have 18 months of the worst presidency in history and every industry in the USA suffers from stupid regulations and policies from the progressive left idiots along with Biden stupidity and incompetence. Yes thanks Joe for ruining the lives of millions of Americans.
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06-02-23 03:47 #12395
Posts: 5532Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
Far, far, far from it.
Now, Dem tax policy / cuts and economic policy produce quite a different result. Because they are focused on the right people to grow the economy and create jobs at the right time; under FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden, for example.
I sure as hell would rather have been starting up a business venture or looking for a good job at the beginning of any Dem administration of the past 100 years than any Repub administration of the past 100 years.
Unless my business venture was setting up soup kitchens or selling apples on the street, that is.
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06-02-23 02:20 #12394
Posts: 428So True
Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
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06-01-23 19:47 #12393
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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06-01-23 19:39 #12392
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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06-01-23 19:31 #12391
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
As to the Brookings article, they were absolutely right: "By only analyzing results through 2019, we focused only on short-term effects, which may be a poor guide to the longer run. Short-term growth dynamics typically are dominated by changes in aggregate demand while long-term growth stems from changes in supply. Both experts and advocates emphasize that the supply-side process may take a significant amount of time to take full effect. ".
You don't close down an operation in Ireland for example and move it to Austin the year after a tax cut.
And indeed if you look at investing cash flows, which include capex but not investments in working capital, that's what has happened. Here are cash flows from investments (negative because you're spending money) per share for the S&P 500 going back to 2017, the year before the TCJA took effect.
2017 -141.34.
2018 -138.90.
2019 -181.10.
2020 -214.82.
2021 -221.41.
2022 -226.86.
Investments by the S&P 500 companies have increased by 60% since the TCJA took effect! Not including investments in working capital.
And corporate profits resulting from this additional investment in America are kicking in too. In fact, tax receipts on corporate income were the third highest in history in 2022!
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FCTAX
Now those numbers aren't adjusted for inflation, but just eyeballing the graph, it looks to me like your claim that the TCJA will reduce the amount the federal government steals by 2. 5 trillion over 10 years is bogus. Total federal receipts as a % of GDP also are up, to the fourth highest level in history in 2022. All under a tax regime last modified by the TCJA.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFRGDA188S
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06-01-23 18:08 #12390
Posts: 5532No Winger Love For Larry Summers' Pronouncements This Time Around?
Unwilling to accept the growing Winger Love for Larry Summers as a Many-Fleeting Thing, I felt it my romantic duty to post his recent pronouncement about the most conspicuous Repub "win" in the Prevent The Repubs From Crashing Worldwide Economies Again agreement:
Former Treasury Secretary Summers Criticizes IRS Provisions In Debt Ceiling Agreement.
Summers opposes IRS funding cuts in debt ceiling deal, warns of future deficits and tax cheats' advantage.
May 31, 2023
https://www.zenger.news/2023/05/31/f...ing-agreement/
"The rescinding of #IRS funding will raise future deficits by more than $100 billion and risks a compliance crisis and privileges rich tax cheats. I desperately hope it will not set a precedent, Summers said.
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The economist is not the only person to sound critical of the IRS provisions. Harvard professor and noted economist Jason Furman had stated that the funding reduction is particularly galling especially since it will increase the deficit. It should not be repeated ever again, he said in his tweet.