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06-20-23 18:49 #12554
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/697363
Other post Soviet states like Ukraine?
I presume you're not an admirer of Stalin, just trying to make a point.
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
"if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. ".
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
I don't want our tax dollars being used, to the tune of $75 billion, to promote a war 5000 miles away, when we're not simultaneously trying to bring an end to it. Instead we've told Ukraine that they have a blank check for as long as they want. And the Ukrainians say they're not going to stop until they've regained Crimea.
What do you think our reaction would be if the Warsaw Pact were arming Mexico to the tunes of billions of dollars and talking about taking it in as a member? How many countries in Latin America have we invaded? Remember Grenada?
Gorbachev thought he had a commitment from the USA not to expand NATO. It hasn't turned out that way.
Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. We should be working to end this lunacy, instead of throwing gasoline on the fire.
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06-20-23 16:01 #12553
Posts: 1839Originally Posted by Tiny12 [View Original Post]
It doesn't prove lab leak? Like if I find a starnger in my house with a bloody knife in his hand and my wife dead on the floor, that doesn't prove the stranger killed her either. Its true maybe an infected bat flew in thru the lab window and infected them. Hey strange things happen!
And most certainly the lab was doing gain of function, so again you just want to ignore all the evidence and "wah, wah, wah, I can't hear you!
About reparations. Your excuse is truly terrible here Tiny. First I didn't say that China should not pay. They are just as guilty as USA. The are both guilty of reckless endangerment and should pay rapartaions to all. RFK agrees with me. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl-Fv9ZF-Og.
It is NO EXCUSE that they were doing it for good purpose. And that has not been proven either. They were doing it for their own benefit, not mine or yours or Sinezo's in Tanzania. The Nazis would argue the same thing.
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06-20-23 10:10 #12552
Posts: 5566Your voting decision will still put one of them in control of the levers
Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]
Hoping the Party your vote helps to win will be filled with saintly, altruistic monks, priests and rabbis is a nice idea. But, frankly, I believe worrying about such things in the face of inarguable historic patterns, results and realities regarding Real World critical issues is for suckers. The former Party I cited above knows it is for suckers. Hence, The Great 2024 Repub War On Woke!
LOL.
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06-20-23 07:46 #12551
Posts: 2012What the fuck? Really?
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06-20-23 05:54 #12550
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022
Admittedly the Ukrainian people are enduring incredible hardship by standing up to Russia. And Russia's the aggressor. I just don't know whether we should be enabling the killing to the extent we are. The USA is putting no pressure on Ukraine to settle this. We seem content to let them fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian.
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06-20-23 05:33 #12549
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]
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06-20-23 05:31 #12548
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
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06-20-23 04:21 #12547
Posts: 1604True
Originally Posted by Xpartan [View Original Post]
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06-20-23 01:02 #12546
Posts: 2203Neither party is interested in the people. Only more control for themselves and the government. Both parties fear independent thinkers.
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06-19-23 21:50 #12545
Posts: 2012Pathetic!
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
While no one would deny that there are plenty of corruption in Ukraine, if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. Also everywhere.
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06-19-23 21:46 #12544
Posts: 5566And?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
If you knew anything about anything, that is.
Your beloved Repubs investigated it. They found no wrongdoing by the Bidens. And they were even more desperate to find wrongdoing by the Bidens than you and your video hero numbskulls.
I realize your and Trump's "enemies" must be everyone, everywhere all the time, otherwise claimed to be the "Deep State", because you can't just blame The Democrats for revealing the sad truth about Dear Leader while exonnerating Obama, Hillary, Biden etc when far more Repubs have been doing the investigations and testifying to that result than Dems. But at some point you still need to produce some evidence of your and other Trump Cultists' silly claims.
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06-19-23 19:03 #12543
Posts: 1807Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]
I believed that Biden didn't make the decision precisely because he is stupid. Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who was running the state department, did not hold him in high regard. Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. Hillary was a member of the Yale Law Review. Biden on the other hand was at the bottom of his class at the University of Delaware and Syracuse Law School. He might not have gotten degrees if he hadn't been plagiarizing in his classes. Obama and Clinton arguably were among the best and the brightest. Joe Biden on the other hand, now especially at his advanced age, is among the worst and dumbest. Despite our differences with others here, I believe Biden's dumber than anyone who's posted on this page. The Democratic Party could have plastered the name of every Democrat in the USA on the wall, thrown a dart, and probably come up with a smarter candidate for president than Biden.
Obama and Hillary might agree with me. So I figured the decision to try to get Shokin fired came from the State Department or the White House. And Biden was merely the messenger boy.
Apparently from what I'm reading today, I was wrong. Biden pushed Obama to be in charge of the Ukrainian portfolio, and that happened, coincidentally(?) at about the same time that Hunter became a director of Burisma.
You're probably right, that Joe did have something to do with the decision to use the $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to push out Shokin. Biden was lying, or close to it, in your video though when he implied he gave the Ukrainians 6 hours to fire Shokin and they did it. In reality, the firing happened three months later, and required the approval of the Ukrainian Parliament. It probably had a lot more to do with pressure by the IMF, which was going to withhold $40 billion, instead of any role Biden played. Biden's just trying to take undeserved credit.
Shokin was slow walking any investigation of Burisma. Burisma may have been paying him off. The only person in the whole sordid mess who you can believe is Vitaly Kasko, one of Shokin's deputies who appears to be clean, and that's what Kasko says. Shokin was corrupt. So was Yuriy Lutsenko, Shokin's successor as head prosecutor, who fed information to Giuliani and Parnas. And the Ukrainian presidents, except maybe Zelensky. The Ukrainians actually opened an investigation into Hunter and Burisma after the phone call between Trump and Zelensky. Then they promptly dropped it in the last part of 2020, when Biden was elected. They were doing whatever they believed to be in their best interest.
A Biden presidency was probably welcomed by the Ukrainians. Biden was pushing Obama to provide more military aid to Ukraine back in 2014 when Russia invade Crimea. Obama was reluctant as he didn't want to start World War III. Now we're supplying 10X more aid to Ukraine than any European country, even though Ukraine is on Europe's doorstep and it's 4500 miles away from the USA. Undoubtedly a significant part of that aid is being drained off by corrupt Ukrainians.
Anyway Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma, was a genius to get Hunter Biden to serve on his board. Two years prior to when he hired Hunter, he was transferring government oil and gas leases to his own company while he was Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources, in a strongly pro-Russian government. When his party got kicked out and replaced by Ukrainian nationalists, Zlochevsky could have been toast. But with the son of the Vice President of the United States on his board, maybe he was bullet proof.
As to your other points, I thought the Congressmen had already seen the FD-1023. If the 17 recordings exist, hopefully they'll come out. You've been following this a lot closer than I have.
And I believe Kennedy is worse than Biden. He'd take away the jobs of my friends and family who work for oil and gas companies. So would Biden, but Kennedy would do it quicker. He's a class warrior who wants to screw over the billionaire entrepreneur class that's made the USA a world beater. And as you'd guess, I believe his fears of vaccines verge on paranoia.
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06-19-23 16:04 #12542
Posts: 3374Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]
Second, the "aid package" ensured higher prices for natural gas and electricity for the Ukrainian consumer.
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06-19-23 08:48 #12541
Posts: 5566What is he missing? Everything.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Well, here is what we are all sure is just a tiny portion of easily observable and easily researched reality that he is missing:
Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/
Despite a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media.
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06-19-23 02:19 #12540
Posts: 5566Is that why?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008 [View Original Post]
Is that really what is behind the Repubs' constant efforts to Defund the Police? When they are not trying to beat the them to death with American flagpoles, that is. Oh, and we can find the video and audio recordings of that, BTW.