American Politics

[JustTK]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree JustTK. I'm not a fan of RFK.

If China sent a nuclear bomb across and it landed on your city and somehow you managed to survive. China said it was a mistake, they pressed the wrong button. The bombs wer supposed to improve world peace not for attack. Would you expect reparations?

[Tiny 12]

I had no idea that this story had broke before. I am surprised it never got much traction. Thanks for that.

It doesn't prove lab leak? Like if I find a starnger in my house with a bloody knife in his hand and my wife dead on the floor, that doesn't prove the stranger killed her either. Its true maybe an infected bat flew in thru the lab window and infected them. Hey strange things happen!

And most certainly the lab was doing gain of function, so again you just want to ignore all the evidence and "wah, wah, wah, I can't hear you!

About reparations. Your excuse is truly terrible here Tiny. First I didn't say that China should not pay. They are just as guilty as USA. The are both guilty of reckless endangerment and should pay rapartaions to all. RFK agrees with me. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl-Fv9ZF-Og.

It is NO EXCUSE that they were doing it for good purpose. And that has not been proven either. They were doing it for their own benefit, not mine or yours or Sinezo's in Tanzania. The Nazis would argue the same thing.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree JustTK. I'm not a fan of RFK.

[Tiny 12]

You're way off. Of course, you can say there was some corruption in Stalin's USSR. But it not even remotely close to the feastfuck that's going on today in Russia and other post Soviet states.

Really?

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/697363

Other post Soviet states like Ukraine?

I presume you're not an admirer of Stalin, just trying to make a point.

And your point is? Russia is 137. What does this number prove?

I was just replying to you:

"if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. ".

Enabling? Still no F16. Still no ATACMS. Still no Abrams. Still, the most ridiculous restrictions to NOT fire INSIDE Russia. WTF! They're firing on Ukraine from INSIDE RUSSIA, but god forbid Ukraine should hit them back with American weapon. How much pressure do you say we put on Ukraine to appease Putin and your lot?

Any Americans who voluntarily want to donate to war efforts in Ukraine or actually go there and fight should be free to do so. As a semi-believer in the 2nd amendment, if they want to take up a collection to buy F16's and Abrams tanks and ship them to Ukraine, they should have at it. I would draw the line at strategic nuclear weapons though.

I don't want our tax dollars being used, to the tune of $75 billion, to promote a war 5000 miles away, when we're not simultaneously trying to bring an end to it. Instead we've told Ukraine that they have a blank check for as long as they want. And the Ukrainians say they're not going to stop until they've regained Crimea.

What do you think our reaction would be if the Warsaw Pact were arming Mexico to the tunes of billions of dollars and talking about taking it in as a member? How many countries in Latin America have we invaded? Remember Grenada?

Gorbachev thought he had a commitment from the USA not to expand NATO. It hasn't turned out that way.

Russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. We should be working to end this lunacy, instead of throwing gasoline on the fire.

[JustTK]

This is old news. It has been known for a while that three researchers at the Wuhan lab had flu like illnesses back around the end of 2019 and were treated at a hospital. The Wall Street Journal broke the story over two years ago.

This doesn't prove COVID 19 came from a lab leak, although it certainly provides evidence it may have. It also doesn't prove it resulted from gain of function research.

Respectfully JustTK, if your suspicions are true, I don't see why the USA should pay reparations instead of China. Or know if anybody should pay. Gain of function research was intended to protect us from the next pandemic, and sometimes shit happens.

I had no idea that this story had broke before. I am surprised it never got much traction. Thanks for that.

It doesn't prove lab leak? Like if I find a starnger in my house with a bloody knife in his hand and my wife dead on the floor, that doesn't prove the stranger killed her either. Its true maybe an infected bat flew in thru the lab window and infected them. Hey strange things happen!

And most certainly the lab was doing gain of function, so again you just want to ignore all the evidence and "wah, wah, wah, I can't hear you!

About reparations. Your excuse is truly terrible here Tiny. First I didn't say that China should not pay. They are just as guilty as USA. The are both guilty of reckless endangerment and should pay rapartaions to all. RFK agrees with me. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl-Fv9ZF-Og.

It is NO EXCUSE that they were doing it for good purpose. And that has not been proven either. They were doing it for their own benefit, not mine or yours or Sinezo's in Tanzania. The Nazis would argue the same thing.

[EihTooms]

Neither party is interested in the people. Only more control for themselves and the government. Both parties fear independent thinkers.

Even if that were true, the fact is the House, Senate and White House will be controlled by either the Dems or the Repubs for the rest of your life and that of your childrens' children. The only choice your vote might result in is will they be controlled by the Party that throws around a lot of big talk about handling the economy and National Security better than the opposition but in reality has legislated, produced and led us into every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Loss and Mass Murder of Americans and none of the Great Recoveries, Great Expansions and Historic Job Gains since the late 1920's with no indication that their agenda and methods for producing those results has changed one iota in 100 years or do you want your vote to go to the Party that has legislated and produced the exact opposite of those horrific results in that same timeframe.

Hoping the Party your vote helps to win will be filled with saintly, altruistic monks, priests and rabbis is a nice idea. But, frankly, I believe worrying about such things in the face of inarguable historic patterns, results and realities regarding Real World critical issues is for suckers. The former Party I cited above knows it is for suckers. Hence, The Great 2024 Repub War On Woke!

LOL.

[Xpartan]

There was a lot of corruption in Stalin's USSR and it kicked Germany's ass.

You're way off. Of course, you can say there was some corruption in Stalin's USSR. But it not even remotely close to the feastfuck that's going on today in Russia and other post Soviet states.

Ukraine is in a tie for 116th on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, alongside Angola, Mongolia, the Philippines, El Salvador, Algeria and Zambia. No wonder the EU never put Ukraine on track for membership.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

And your point is? Russia is 137. What does this number prove?

Admittedly the Ukrainian people are enduring incredible hardship by standing up to Russia. And Russia's the aggressor. I just don't know whether we should be enabling the killing to the extent we are. The USA is putting no pressure on Ukraine to settle this. We seem content to let them fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian.

Enabling? Still no F16. Still no ATACMS. Still no Abrams. Still, the most ridiculous restrictions to NOT fire INSIDE Russia. WTF! They're firing on Ukraine from INSIDE RUSSIA, but god forbid Ukraine should hit them back with American weapon. How much pressure do you say we put on Ukraine to appease Putin and your lot?

[Tiny 12]

Ah, the main argument from putin-lovers. Ukraine is corrupt.

While no one would deny that there are plenty of corruption in Ukraine, if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. Also everywhere.

There was a lot of corruption in Stalin's USSR and it kicked Germany's ass. Ukraine is in a tie for 116th on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, alongside Angola, Mongolia, the Philippines, El Salvador, Algeria and Zambia. No wonder the EU never put Ukraine on track for membership.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

Admittedly the Ukrainian people are enduring incredible hardship by standing up to Russia. And Russia's the aggressor. I just don't know whether we should be enabling the killing to the extent we are. The USA is putting no pressure on Ukraine to settle this. We seem content to let them fight the Russians to the last Ukrainian.

[Tiny 12]

Neither party is interested in the people. Only more control for themselves and the government. Both parties fear independent thinkers.

Agreed. I don't think it used to be as bad. Independent thinkers and good people like Jeff Flake and Kyrsten Sinema are being run off from their parties.

[Tiny 12]

And how does that refute the irrefutable truth that your video link proved nothing of what you and those numbskulls in your video link claimed?

If you knew anything about anything, that is.

Your beloved Repubs investigated it. They found no wrongdoing by the Bidens. And they were even more desperate to find wrongdoing by the Bidens than you and your video hero numbskulls.

I realize your and Trump's "enemies" must be everyone, everywhere all the time, otherwise claimed to be the "Deep State", because you can't just blame The Democrats for revealing the sad truth about Dear Leader while exonnerating Obama, Hillary, Biden etc when far more Repubs have been doing the investigations and testifying to that result than Dems. But at some point you still need to produce some evidence of your and other Trump Cultists' silly claims.

Elvis' video link did show I was wrong. And you're not being honest with yourself if you believe the Biden's weren't involved in any wrongdoing. In the case of Hunter it's apparent he was. As to Joe, if you want to argue he's incredibly stupid and naive, then I guess hauling his son on the vice presidential jet to China so he could lock in business deals wouldn't constitute wrongdoing.

[PVMonger]

Ah, the main argument from putin-lovers. Ukraine is corrupt.

While no one would deny that there are plenty of corruption in Ukraine, if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. Also everywhere.

Yep, everyone in Ukraine is corrupt. And all Democrats are corrupt. All 3-letter agencies are corrupt, too. Especially the DOJ. How dare the DOJ investigate the one-term, twice-impeached, twice-indicted, former-guy for willfully retaining documents and trying to obstruct said investigation. The hubris of Repubs is astounding.

[SubCmdr]

Neither party is interested in the people. Only more control for themselves and the government. Both parties fear independent thinkers.

[Xpartan]

LOL. Tooms, if you knew anything about anything, everyone in Ukraine is corrupt.

Ah, the main argument from putin-lovers. Ukraine is corrupt.

While no one would deny that there are plenty of corruption in Ukraine, if EVERYONE in Ukraine was corrupt, Russian garrisons would've already been stationed in Kiyv and Lviv, and elsewhere. Instead, they're getting their asses handed to them. Also everywhere.

[EihTooms]

LOL. Tooms, if you knew anything about anything, everyone in Ukraine is corrupt.

Second, the "aid package" ensured higher prices for natural gas and electricity for the Ukrainian consumer.

And how does that refute the irrefutable truth that your video link proved nothing of what you and those numbskulls in your video link claimed?

If you knew anything about anything, that is.

Your beloved Repubs investigated it. They found no wrongdoing by the Bidens. And they were even more desperate to find wrongdoing by the Bidens than you and your video hero numbskulls.

I realize your and Trump's "enemies" must be everyone, everywhere all the time, otherwise claimed to be the "Deep State", because you can't just blame The Democrats for revealing the sad truth about Dear Leader while exonnerating Obama, Hillary, Biden etc when far more Repubs have been doing the investigations and testifying to that result than Dems. But at some point you still need to produce some evidence of your and other Trump Cultists' silly claims.

[Tiny 12]

Tiny, he bragged about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azLKK0xTOFI.

How can that NOT be true?

....You think Biden is not that stupid, but I see a narcissist who thinks he can get away with anything.

Sorry Elvis. I read a lot on this several years ago. I've forgotten a lot, and probably didn't know as much as I thought I did.

I believed that Biden didn't make the decision precisely because he is stupid. Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who was running the state department, did not hold him in high regard. Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. Hillary was a member of the Yale Law Review. Biden on the other hand was at the bottom of his class at the University of Delaware and Syracuse Law School. He might not have gotten degrees if he hadn't been plagiarizing in his classes. Obama and Clinton arguably were among the best and the brightest. Joe Biden on the other hand, now especially at his advanced age, is among the worst and dumbest. Despite our differences with others here, I believe Biden's dumber than anyone who's posted on this page. The Democratic Party could have plastered the name of every Democrat in the USA on the wall, thrown a dart, and probably come up with a smarter candidate for president than Biden.

Obama and Hillary might agree with me. So I figured the decision to try to get Shokin fired came from the State Department or the White House. And Biden was merely the messenger boy.

Apparently from what I'm reading today, I was wrong. Biden pushed Obama to be in charge of the Ukrainian portfolio, and that happened, coincidentally(?) at about the same time that Hunter became a director of Burisma.

You're probably right, that Joe did have something to do with the decision to use the $1 billion in loan guarantees as leverage to push out Shokin. Biden was lying, or close to it, in your video though when he implied he gave the Ukrainians 6 hours to fire Shokin and they did it. In reality, the firing happened three months later, and required the approval of the Ukrainian Parliament. It probably had a lot more to do with pressure by the IMF, which was going to withhold $40 billion, instead of any role Biden played. Biden's just trying to take undeserved credit.

Shokin was slow walking any investigation of Burisma. Burisma may have been paying him off. The only person in the whole sordid mess who you can believe is Vitaly Kasko, one of Shokin's deputies who appears to be clean, and that's what Kasko says. Shokin was corrupt. So was Yuriy Lutsenko, Shokin's successor as head prosecutor, who fed information to Giuliani and Parnas. And the Ukrainian presidents, except maybe Zelensky. The Ukrainians actually opened an investigation into Hunter and Burisma after the phone call between Trump and Zelensky. Then they promptly dropped it in the last part of 2020, when Biden was elected. They were doing whatever they believed to be in their best interest.

A Biden presidency was probably welcomed by the Ukrainians. Biden was pushing Obama to provide more military aid to Ukraine back in 2014 when Russia invade Crimea. Obama was reluctant as he didn't want to start World War III. Now we're supplying 10X more aid to Ukraine than any European country, even though Ukraine is on Europe's doorstep and it's 4500 miles away from the USA. Undoubtedly a significant part of that aid is being drained off by corrupt Ukrainians.

Anyway Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of Burisma, was a genius to get Hunter Biden to serve on his board. Two years prior to when he hired Hunter, he was transferring government oil and gas leases to his own company while he was Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources, in a strongly pro-Russian government. When his party got kicked out and replaced by Ukrainian nationalists, Zlochevsky could have been toast. But with the son of the Vice President of the United States on his board, maybe he was bullet proof.

As to your other points, I thought the Congressmen had already seen the FD-1023. If the 17 recordings exist, hopefully they'll come out. You've been following this a lot closer than I have.

And I believe Kennedy is worse than Biden. He'd take away the jobs of my friends and family who work for oil and gas companies. So would Biden, but Kennedy would do it quicker. He's a class warrior who wants to screw over the billionaire entrepreneur class that's made the USA a world beater. And as you'd guess, I believe his fears of vaccines verge on paranoia.

[Elvis 2008]

Fact check: Biden leveraged $1B in aid to Ukraine to oust corrupt prosecutor, not to help his son.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/

That's right. Even dimwit Senate Repubs weren't stupid enough to "miss" what you and that other numbskull in your video link missed. Or pretended to miss. LOL.

LOL. Tooms, if you knew anything about anything, everyone in Ukraine is corrupt.

Second, the "aid package" ensured higher prices for natural gas and electricity for the Ukrainian consumer.