Seeking Arrangements

[FilthyBeaver]

There is little point. I posted rough stats a few months ago. I'm happy with the results so why change the sauce? Frankly $280 or whatever it is now is way less than I'd ever give anyone and probably about what I'd spend on a dinner date the second time so whatever. I refuse to think about money when it comes to mongering, it costs what it costs when I get what I want because what I want is very rare and out of my league without money leveling the field. I'll pinch my pennies elsewhere.

This is not a critique. It's working well for you. Just a perspective. Unless it leads to noticeably more click throughs at the prospecting stage, there seems to be little point. Once you have a girl showing up to meet you it's all on you anyway regardless of what you paid for the membership.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 8 of my "Dating Tour" series.

Part 1 (Overview): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...41#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...41#post2845741.

Part 6 (Barcelona. Continued): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...81#post2848081.

Part 7 (Barcelona. The end): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2849730.

Prep for Amsterdam trip with a sugar babe

As I said in my last post, Even though I was enjoying a lot in Barcelona, I decided to spend a few days in Amsterdam since I had never been there and my flight to the US was from there. I checked SA, but the scene in Amsterdam didn't look as promising as Spain and I also wanted to experience traveling with a sugar babe. I had posted on this forum a couple of times to ask for advice and got the following:

- Never book tickets / hotel for someone you have never met.

- If possible, fly out together from the same city, so that she cannot flake or ditch you at the last moment.

- Given that travel involves a lot more expenses, at most, offer a small daily allowance.

I would have gone with Naz (from Part 4), but we had already broken up. And although we were now patching up a bit (since I visited her a few times in hospital), she was not well and would not be able to travel anyways. By the time I had a few repeat dates with Lisa (from Part 7), I had already made plans with someone else (I wish I had met Lisa earlier! That someone else was Monica, the girl I met last in Madrid (from Part 3) and with whom I had two dates. She seemed fun, liked to drink / party, I vibed with her and she also felt like a safe option in terms of someone who wouldn't flake or wouldn't go crazy on me.

So I proposed this plan to her and she said yes. I wanted to talk over the phone to make sure everything was clear, and it took us a while to finally connect (mainly because I was busy with other girls). Finally we talked and I laid out the plan:

- I will pay for all expenses, including flight tickets, hotel, food and anything else we do there. I wouldn? T even mind buying her tickets to museums etc when I am busy working one weekday evening.

- I would book two rooms for privacy.

- I would like to preserve my privacy, so there will be times when I may ask her to stay away from hotel reception etc. Told her that I had given her a fake name and would continue to do that.

- And since I will be spending a lot during the travel, I cannot give her the PPM amount we talked about. I can do may be 100 euros per day as an allowance.

She was a bit surprised about the privacy aspect (and my fake name) but she laughed it off in a teasing way, but I think the low daily allowance took her really by surprise. I told her if she had some other kind of allowance in mind, she can think and let me know.

Next day I confirmed that the plan was on, and then booked one way tickets for her. For this, she sent me a copy of her ID, email address etc. So interestingly, I had a copy of her ID, knew her DOB, name etc, and she didn't even know my real name! I booked one-way tickets to have leverage in case something didn't work out (round trip would have been cheaper). Also booked my tickets. I would arrive a day earlier than her and booked two rooms in the same hotel, one for a day longer (since I came earlier).

Amsterdam

When I got to the Amsterdam hotel, I tried to explain to the reception that I wanted the two rooms connecting if possible, or at least side by side. This led to a lot of confusion. Overall, 5-star hotel experience in Amsterdam was much worse than in Spain (even though bad service is the stereotype for Spanish people). I was getting rooms on different floors, so in the end, I had to pay a bit extra to get side by side rooms (still not connected).

Night 1 in Amsterdam, I decided to go to a well rated Piano Bar and ended up spending 4+ hours there drinking and singing with fellow music enthusiasts. Drunk people in Piano bars are a lot of fun. Hugs and kisses were flowing like booze. Haha.

Next day I went to the airport to pick up Monica. AMS is a huge mess of an airport since they have only one terminal. To meet each other, I had to share my live location with Monica.

The good: Next 2-3 days we did a lot of touristy things: Heineken tour, Anne Frank tour, canal boat rides etc. We visited the red light district twice, saw two different live sex shows, went to two nightclubs, I tried weed for the third time in my life (it didn't suit me) and visited the Moco (Modern Contemporary) Museum while high. And a lot of drinking along the way. I enjoyed the city and the stay!

The bad: had sex only twice in the three nights we were together and (this may be related) I didn'tt feel the connection I had felt with either Naz or Lisa. I wonder if money was the issue, or because of my privacy concerns, she became a bit aloof and started treating this as a more professional relationship. She didn't open up too much for us to get close. The one time she opened up was when she was a bit drunk. I believe that if we had emotionally connected, the sex would have happened automatically.

I wouldn't go into details of the two times we had sex, but it was good and she was engaged then. I didn't push for more sex. I hate it when the girl feels forced to do it (same reason why I hate going to WGs).

The End

So there you have it folks. My dating tour in full glory. It ended with a dud, but I still enjoyed the trip.

I hope I didn't bore you all with too many details, but I felt that I needed to contribute enough details for a newbie (like me) to understand what goes behind the scenes, apart from the details about sex and the girls.

I will post one final part to summarize and make some general comments / themes and my learnings.

[Intelligencium]

Every girl I told the money I pay for premium had their pop out of their heads too. Most of them assumed premium would be like 10 per month or so away max.

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.

[AmericanPi]

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.

This is not a critique. It's working well for you. Just a perspective. Unless it leads to noticeably more click throughs at the prospecting stage, there seems to be little point. Once you have a girl showing up to meet you it's all on you anyway regardless of what you paid for the membership.

[FilthyBeaver]

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.

OK that explains it at least. Thanks for the response.

Do girls actually know / understand what that membership is? Like do you get the social credit you're paying for?

[Intelligencium]

Do not entertain these platinum pussies. I was pretty frustrated (still I am) but managed to find a few at 400 $. These are decent. Not supermodels but are girlfriend like.

Yeah, I told her 1000 is too much and I can do 500. Now she is ok with 800. LOL. I'll go upto 600 but only the day I'm ready to meet so that there is a deadline for her. Learned this from real estate LOL.

[Intelligencium]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.

Maybe something's going on in her personal life? Either something bad or something good like finding a BF. I would stay mum for a while or check to see if you can help in any way.

[IntBond0]

Said she wants 400 for sex because that's what her friend gets and she doesn't know if we'll have sex because her period might happen LOL.

[Foolish]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.

Would celebrate what you had and move on. Had this happen before (phone went offline in my case) and you never know (we chatted briefly and then disappeared for good), but really there's no real point to trying to reconnect after 10 msgs.

F.

[Gfefan]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.

"We will meet soon. In fact, I think you will like my dirty idea to spice it up". I ask her "what is it? I'm curious". She went "surprise. Trust me. I have learned a thing or two about what you like".

That was the last I heard from her 45 days ago.

Man, I like this girl. Her body is to die for. And she gets so wet that I enjoy pounding her. That too, she is safe CIP.

10-12 with no response? That's beyond a solid ghosting. I'the usually move on. Only saving Grace might be if you have her CashApp and know her birthday or some other reasonable excuse to CashApp her. I know all my girls birthdays. I usually ask first date and then they forget all about it. They are so amazed when I remember. (because I write it down! Had one or two girls respark after birthday gift but never totally reconnected to date.

[Steve 9696]

I have my top 5 girls - 4 in EU, 1 in US (yes, the gap is glaring. If I do top 10,it is 9 in Europe and the same 1 in US). Of these top 5, three are already in the "non-transactional" bucket. Meaning they will see me with no expectation of $ and I will send $ or help them otherwise with no expectation of sex. The other two are fast getting there. But not quite yet.

Now, one of the other two has stopped responding to my texts. We were chatting like GF / BF for over a month after we met couple times and had great sex. I would like to meet her a few more times but she went quiet.

How do you handle these? Any tips?

I almost want to call her up but don't want to invade her privacy / regular life. She has not responded to the last 10/12 messages I have sent in last over 30 days. The last one being "Hey, hope all is well. Are you mad at me for some reason? Happy to chat".

No response.

10-12 with no response? That's beyond a solid ghosting. I'the usually move on. Only saving Grace might be if you have her CashApp and know her birthday — or some other reasonable excuse to CashApp her. I know all my girls birthdays. I usually ask first date and then they forget all about it. They are so amazed when I remember. (because I write it down! Had one or two girls respark after birthday gift but never totally reconnected to date.

[Gfefan]

I would recommend not doing "No payment" right away. Meet her a few more times. Sometimes, the chemistry fade. Sometimes, they themselves say no to money. The latter is what happened with my 3 "no-pay" girls. Trust me. The sex gets better from that point where they say "no money".

Once they say so, I still comp them in other ways. Some of these girls are so nice that they say no money because they like us but silently go through some pain in their personal life. More often than not, financial. I feel for them and not take advantage of them being nice to me.

For example, my best girl ran into an issue where her insurance refused covering a certain accident she got into. She was short by 1 k EUR. She was trying to borrow from someone else and I accidentally came to know. I simply wired her 1. 5 K. I care for her than the money. She is adamant that she will return it next when I am in Europe but I told her no. I told her when I return to Europe, I just want to have good time with her. Go on a road trip. So, book your holidays. That's all I need.

Thanks for the tip. At that time I knew she was looking for money, so I didn't try to negotiate anything. But now she says that she is off SA, but will still meet me if I ever visit Europe (she said she will be happy to fly wherever I am in Europe), so there's definitely a possibility of no payment now.

[Gfefan]

I have my top 5 girls - 4 in EU, 1 in US (yes, the gap is glaring. If I do top 10,it is 9 in Europe and the same 1 in US). Of these top 5, three are already in the "non-transactional" bucket. Meaning they will see me with no expectation of $ and I will send $ or help them otherwise with no expectation of sex. The other two are fast getting there. But not quite yet.

Now, one of the other two has stopped responding to my texts. We were chatting like GF / BF for over a month after we met couple times and had great sex. I would like to meet her a few more times but she went quiet.

How do you handle these? Any tips?

I almost want to call her up but don't want to invade her privacy / regular life. She has not responded to the last 10/12 messages I have sent in last over 30 days. The last one being "Hey, hope all is well. Are you mad at me for some reason? Happy to chat".

No response.

[Gfefan]

Do not entertain these platinum pussies. I was pretty frustrated (still I am) but managed to find a few at 400 $. These are decent. Not supermodels but are girlfriend like.

Great report! Where are you getting 500 for two in US? I just began searching in US (bay area) and quotes are starting at 1000 for a 6/7 girl.

[Steve 9696]

Great report! Where are you getting 500 for two in US? I just began searching in US (bay area) and quotes are starting at 1000 for a 6/7 girl.

Well it was kinda the perfect storm. First this was about 18 months ago. Second it's Cincinatti. Third it's black girls right or wrong they often charge less. And lastly they were complete newbies and don't know "market". So yeah it was not only a sex home run but a value home run.

I did have this happen in London also tho with a more experienced Colombiana. She wanted 350 which is a little high but not much. Then like almost when I was to the restaurant she says can her friend come because it's her birthday. And I think Boo! She's trying to double me up and get 700. But nope. She's bringing her friend and it's still 350. The original girl was a full on 9 but her friend a 7. But the friend was super affectionate. We ate dinner and danced for three hours and then room time. As I said in my report at the time Tana brought the optics and Liliana brought the GFE. It was a great combo. And 350 straight up for both!